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[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Hey, look at this video I found

Made my day, seriously. Laughing till I had tears in my eyes.

"Byne dissaproves"

Why?

OT:
Anyhow, if the AI tries to achieve synthesis, as it has stated, and the organics were not ready (as in state of mind/technology), why harvesting organics before they are ready?
That makes no sense.
Edit: Kneel down, minions, for I am the pinnacle of this page!

Modifié par Restrider, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:59 .

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

"Byne dissaproves"

Why?

It was a quote from the vid, thus the quote marks.

[SubAstris]

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Right, but unless godchild has actually been looking around inside Shep's head, theres no way he knows that.

Yeah, that's why I think that the Catalyst is infact doing that

The real question is how he is managing to do that unless Shep is indoctrinated.

We have never been indulged in regards to the full details surrounding the Catalyst, but it is a super-advanced AI, anything is possible

[gunslinger_ruiz]

[not-quite off topic]

What I've always found a little odd was the absence of renegade scars on Shepard's body. There must be some at least along his/her back from the cybernetic implants along the spine (would only see them in romance scenes I suppose, but even so). Do you think Bioware just limited it to the face/eyes to save space? Or ... I don't know ... Maybe Shepard has extensive facial cybernetics... Probably just saving space on textures.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Right, but unless godchild has actually been looking around inside Shep's head, theres no way he knows that.

Yeah, that's why I think that the Catalyst is infact doing that

The real question is how he is managing to do that unless Shep is indoctrinated.

We have never been indulged in regards to the full details surrounding the Catalyst, but it is a super-advanced AI, anything is possible

I like to think, that since it was created by the Leviathan, it's programming included a means to indoctrinate. Either that or, before it rebelled and almost wiped out the Leviathan, it developed its own version of Indoctrination. Would explain how it overthrough them, turning their own forces against them.

If anything, the Catalyst appearing as The Child shows us it has either been watching Shepard very closely, or it can pull images out of Shepards mind.

Related:
Mentioned this many pages ago, perhaps even in Mark II. The flash-forwards we see of Andersion and TIM making the choices, and in EC the choices playing out as their explained. Are those Shepard imagining what will happen, or more likely The Catalyst showing Shepard what will happen by directly putting the images in his/her mind?

Going to bed now, will check on thread in a few hours.

[SubAstris]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Right, but unless godchild has actually been looking around inside Shep's head, theres no way he knows that.

Yeah, that's why I think that the Catalyst is infact doing that

The real question is how he is managing to do that unless Shep is indoctrinated.

We have never been indulged in regards to the full details surrounding the Catalyst, but it is a super-advanced AI, anything is possible

I like to think, that since it was created by the Leviathan, it's programming included a means to indoctrinate. Either that or, before it rebelled and almost wiped out the Leviathan, it developed its own version of Indoctrination. Would explain how it overthrough them, turning their own forces against them.

If anything, the Catalyst appearing as The Child shows us it has either been watching Shepard very closely, or it can pull images out of Shepards mind.

Related:
Mentioned this many pages ago, perhaps even in Mark II. The flash-forwards we see of Andersion and TIM making the choices, and in EC the choices playing out as their explained. Are those Shepard imagining what will happen, or more likely The Catalyst showing Shepard what will happen by directly putting the images in his/her mind?

Going to bed now, will check on thread in a few hours.

I had actually never thought of that, the Leviathans endowing the Catalyst with a means to indoctrinate, or at least enter the mind of its subject. This doesn't necessarily entail that the Catalyst is not telling the truth, or is actively deceiving Shep.


It depends on IT or not, personally I would find it a bit of kick in the teeth if there is another "dream" sequence there instead of BW actually focussing on resolving the main plot, which with IT they have so far failed to do.

But anway, good night

[Restrider]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

byne wrote...

Right, but unless godchild has actually been looking around inside Shep's head, theres no way he knows that.

Yeah, that's why I think that the Catalyst is infact doing that

The real question is how he is managing to do that unless Shep is indoctrinated.

We have never been indulged in regards to the full details surrounding the Catalyst, but it is a super-advanced AI, anything is possible

I like to think, that since it was created by the Leviathan, it's programming included a means to indoctrinate. Either that or, before it rebelled and almost wiped out the Leviathan, it developed its own version of Indoctrination. Would explain how it overthrough them, turning their own forces against them.

If anything, the Catalyst appearing as The Child shows us it has either been watching Shepard very closely, or it can pull images out of Shepards mind.

Related:
Mentioned this many pages ago, perhaps even in Mark II. The flash-forwards we see of Andersion and TIM making the choices, and in EC the choices playing out as their explained. Are those Shepard imagining what will happen, or more likely The Catalyst showing Shepard what will happen by directly putting the images in his/her mind?

Going to bed now, will check on thread in a few hours.

At least it is a hint that the AI (I am still not convinced that the AI is Catalyst) is somehow able to get into Shepard's head. So, even in a literalist POV, you cannot deny the fact that the AI/Catalyst/Reapers/Santa Claus somehow have access to Shepard's mind and thus the question where the deception ends and reality begins cannot be ignored!

[Peytl]

There I thought this means the AI = Catalyst. at 2:15 and on
I guess I thought wrong…

[Restrider]

Peytl wrote...

There I thought this means the AI = Catalyst. at 2:15 and on
I guess I thought wrong…

The Vendetta VI states that the Citadel is the Catalyst. This kind of makes sense, since the Citadel could be used as some kind of amplifier (as seen later in the endings). 
The AI, which is pretty sure the AI the Leviathans created, on the other hand says that it is the Catalyst and the Citadel is only part of him. But the AI outdates the Citadel, since the Citadel was created by the Reapers along with the Relays.
There is no external confirmation that the AI is the Catalyst.
In any case, if taken literally the actions of the AI are not reasonable. Why does it elevate Shepard  to the decision chamber? The harvest would just go on, as it does in Refuse.
So we can assume the AI wants something specific from Shepard. Preferably Synthesis, but why show Shepard even the other options? I doubt that the AI would risk total anihilation by offering Destroy.
I don't know, if taken literal or even IT Con do not seem very plausible in regard of the AI.

Furthermore it is still not certain, if the Citadel is the Catalyst, since the Vendetta VI could've been tampered by Cerberus, but this remains mere speculation.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Leviathan pretty much confirmed the entire ending sequence is an illusion.

- Space boy looks like the kid back on Earth ("Your memories will give voice to our words" - Leviathans conjure images from Shepard's memory and talk to her by showing her people that she knows) - Check

- "I know you've thought about destroying us" ("Your nature will be revealed to us") - Check

- Shepard is on hands and knees in front of the space kid (Shepard is on hands and knees when being controlled in the illusion) - Check

- Shepard's nose is bleeding (The Leviathan mind control causes Shep's nose to bleed) - Check

- All Reapers have the ability to influence organics like the Leviathans, only the Reapers have developed this ability and perfected it (Reapers' mind control techniques are even more advanced than the Leviathans') - Check

- The sound that signifies the transition between reality and illusion in Leviathan is the exact same sound you hear when Shepard is zapped onto the Citadel - Check


... and people have the audacity to claim IT is dead? Laughable. It's more alive than EVER.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Just now thought of this but wasn't there a specific(there were two actually) line in the Leviathan leak months ago that referenced Harbinger in the new catalyst lines? It was essentially "Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
?" or something like that, right? Was that in the ending?

[401 Kill]

@Doomsday Device- Yes, it seems that they have added content with the Leviathan DLC that coincides perfectly with the IT yet again. Every single thing about the confrontation with Leviathan is frighteningly similar to the Catalyst/Citidel sequence. It's all right there, in-game. One can only wonder what type of clues the next DLC backs up. How can this just be a coincidence?

[demersel]

 Reality is much more grim than you imagine. 

[Ace7]

@401 I also strongly agree with doomsday on most of those points! It's so obvious what is going on. However, I am seriously confused about how levi easily gets into sheps mind. Must be be jusy an oversight

[Ace7]

What the heck is that?

[demersel]

 One can only wonder wha types of clues the previous games and DLCs held...

...oh, wait, It's promotianal art's time once again! 

[401 Kill]

Ace7 wrote...

What the heck is that?

I think that is supposed to be Shepard at the beginning of the game spotting the child.

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...

@401 I also strongly agree with doomsday on most of those points! It's so obvious what is going on. However, I am seriously confused about how levi easily gets into sheps mind. Must be be jusy an oversight

well, Leviathan DLc establishes that this type of thing can be done easily what leviathan is in close proximity. (and when he flashes his eyes)

And what-do-you-know! Before the end run Harbinger arrives in close proximity, right in front of shepard - and right before the beam run starts he flashes his yellow eyes. 

and it doesn't happen right away - you have the whole beam run for it to take effect. And i bet he's not doing it only to shepard - he's doing it to everyone there at the same time. That actually explains the normandy escape scene - the illusion starts to take hold sublty, and firts you can't differ it fro reality, - he takes your squadmates away - giving you comfort in knowing that for the moment they are safe (so nothing will distract you during the illusion, and then the illusion propper starts. )

[demersel]

Note the eyes with clear three circles around them in the wallpaper. ))And the red glow that is similiar to destroy. ))  - the glow simbolizes what exactly drives you - what is at your core. the implants are just equipment. 

And further more - Illusive Man's eye are blue in ME2 - like Paragon Blue - it is a pleasant, nice colour. In ME3 however it is the different shade of blue - more sick and sinister - the blue of the husk lights. - So is control in the decision chamber. It is not paragon blue. (it is a very different shade of blue.)  - so in ME2 at least the illusive man was truly a paragon at hurt - he did have good intentions at the time. He just missed the moment when he gave in. 

Modifié par demersel, 15 septembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[paxxton]

Shepard got really mad.

[DoomsdayDevice]

401 Kill wrote...

@Doomsday Device- Yes, it seems that they have added content with the Leviathan DLC that coincides perfectly with the IT yet again. Every single thing about the confrontation with Leviathan is frighteningly similar to the Catalyst/Citidel sequence. It's all right there, in-game. One can only wonder what type of clues the next DLC backs up. How can this just be a coincidence?

It's not a coincidence, it never was.

The most bizarre thing is how some literalists keep barging in here telling us that  "Bioware have said they did not intend IT, it's all a coincidence", and they have NOTHING TO PROVE that statement. No official quotes, nada. The "best" I've seen them come up with is some anecdotal  "evidence", like  "This guy I know ran into Mike Gamble, and he told him the whole story." It's pathetic, yet they've been throwing that argument at us since day one.

I personally can't wait for the next DLC. I can't even imagine what the next clues will be. Which reminds me of that tweet by Chris Priestly which said it was 'time to take the next step' or something along those lines.

[Ace7]

Where'd you get that freaky picture?

[demersel]

Ace7 wrote...

Where'd you get that freaky picture?

That would be telling. 

[Ace7]

Cheeky.

[paxxton]

Mass Effect website, I presume.