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[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

demersel wrote...

I'll tell you - i did ONE playthrough of the ME3.   the rest is multiplayer. I do enjoy looing for clues. But while i do so - i don't PLAY the game.

I started a new run of ME2, I'm enjoying it much but I think I will start from ME1 soon, just to get the whole thing in a stretch.

Beware of Vigil

I'm more frightened about the Mako getting stuck in polygons...

Dont forget to save when entering buildings-it often doesnt autosave. I just started playing me1 for the first time in 2 years

ME1 was so much about discovery and exploration. It was totally different than other games at the time. Today, the graphics don't look as stunning as in 2007/2008 but the story is still one of the best. The combat system was a real mess though (no aiming, no jumping between covers, tedious). I can only imagine how awesome a remake will be in a decade or so.

[masster blaster]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

demersel wrote...

I'll tell you - i did ONE playthrough of the ME3.   the rest is multiplayer. I do enjoy looing for clues. But while i do so - i don't PLAY the game.

I started a new run of ME2, I'm enjoying it much but I think I will start from ME1 soon, just to get the whole thing in a stretch.

Beware of Vigil

I'm more frightened about the Mako getting stuck in polygons...

Dont forget to save when entering buildings-it often doesnt autosave. I just started playing me1 for the first time in 2 years

I just played ME1, and now playing ME2 again, and I am now starting to see what Hellish, and Turbo have been discovering, and I think they could make IT become more than just a Theory.

[paxxton]

In ME2 I hated that when I tried to run away from enemies Shepard always got tired in the worst possible moment and died. I'm grateful BioWare abandoned that "feature" in ME3.

[masster blaster]

Also has anyone seen Arian?

[paxxton]

He was here a week or so ago.

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

He was here a week or so ago.

That's cool, and how is it going?

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

He was here a week or so ago.

That's cool, and how is it going?

I'm doing fine. Posting, playing MP. You?

Modifié par paxxton, 15 septembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

He was here a week or so ago.

That's cool, and how is it going?

I'm doing fine. Posting, playing MP. You?

reliving my childhood, by watching Yo Gi Oh.

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

He was here a week or so ago.

That's cool, and how is it going?

I'm doing fine. Posting, playing MP. You?

reliving my childhood, by watching Yo Gi Oh.

Nice. What about ME3? Still a believer in IT?

[FifthBeatle]

Eryri wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

In a way, yes. On the most perfect playthroughs, Shepard even unites the Geth and the Quarian, proving that what the so-called catalyst says, isn't true.

The beauty of the peace between the Geth and Quarrian is that they come to an understanding on their own terms. It turned out the Quarians struck first, out of fear of having developed AI with self-awareness. The Geth were forced to ally themselves with the Reapers, which they deemed preferable to extinction. The Geth even decided to spare what remained of the Quarians, because they weren't sure what the consequences would be of wiping out an entire race.

The catalyst is now wrong on three accounts:

1. The created will always turn on their creators - the Geth did not. They asked if they had a soul, and became the victims of a pre-emptive genocide by their creators.
2. Organics will be wiped out by synthetics without the cycle - again: the Geth did not wipe out the Quarians, even when they had the chance.
3. There can never be peace between organics and synthetics - There is peace between Geth & Quarians.

Once Shepard convinces the Quarians that the Geth only acted in self-defence against the aggressive actions of the Quarians - both races agreed upon peace, on their own terms, as it should be. A 'forced' synthesis, a magical solution that forces a new form upon everyone in the galaxy, is wrong on so many levels. For one, it is not chosen by those involved, it is forced. Secondly, the status of peace isn't chosen either. It is forced, simply by removing the need for conflict. This is simply morally wrong.

The whole beauty of the peace between Quarians is the fact that it seemed impossible, yet the two factions chose to trust each other, on their own terms.

And there we arrive at what the Mass Effect series truly is about. It is not about achieving peace between organics and synthetics, that is just an avatar.

Ultimately, Mass Effect is about free will.

And that's where Indoctrination comes in.

Agreed 100%. This is why I disagree with those pro-ending literalists who say that synthetics vs organics was a major theme throughout the games and the endings resolve this.

Literal conflict between synthetics and organics is a very shallow theme because it is (currently at least) inapplicable to real life - there are no self aware machines in the real world yet. It only becomes meaningful when used as an allegory for conflict between oppressors and the oppressed and their attemps to gain freedom. This is the basis for many sci-fi stories. Like all good sci-fi buffs, I'm sure you're all aware that the word robot is derived from the Czech word for slave. 

However the literal interpretation of the ending fails utterly as an allegory for real life issues of oppression. It uses a ridiculously unbelivable magic machine to allow the hero to supposedly solve this problem in 3, more or less, morally repugnant ways. 

However Shepard already resolved this back on Rannoch - by fostering understanding between former enemies, who came to realise they were not so different after all. Not by silly space magic, which is utterly inapplicable to real life.

I also think Leviathan is more good thematic evidence against control. The Leviathans were brought down by their own arrogance and moral decadence. They treated others as tools and means to their ends. As such they were totally unable to conceive that one of their tools might have a mind of its own.

The control ending allows Shepard to enslave a race of sentient beings. The fact that said beings are murderous robo-cuttlefish is immaterial - two wrongs don't make a right. Control is repeating the mistakes of the Leviathans.

Building upon what you two are saying, isn't the real theme of the game "what does it mean to be alive?" There are repeated examples of this question from the Geth asking if they have a soul to Shepard telling Sovereign that it isn't even alive really to EDI pondering the purpose of organic life. Taking this as a central theme, it makes indoctrination as insidious as the codex says it is. What does it mean to be alive if your thoughts aren't actually your thoughts and someone or something else is controlling you? 

[TJBartlemus]

Sup guys? What have I missed in the last couple days? Anything good?

Finally in house and have internet for Xbox now...thinking of some MP. Anyone interested?

[masster blaster]

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

He was here a week or so ago.

That's cool, and how is it going?

I'm doing fine. Posting, playing MP. You?

reliving my childhood, by watching Yo Gi Oh.

Nice. What about ME3? Still a believer in IT?

Hell ya, are you?

[spotlessvoid]

The theme of mass effect is kill the Reapers.
Seriously, the theme is what will you do in the face of seemingly impossible to over come adversity.
Hope is the theme I guess.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:16 .

[masster blaster]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sup guys? What have I missed in the last couple days? Anything good?

Finally in house and have internet for Xbox now...thinking of some MP. Anyone interested?

PC?

And where did you go? I have been gone for a week, and their are new people on the thread, and some other people are not here.

[demersel]

PC

[TJBartlemus]

masster blaster wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sup guys? What have I missed in the last couple days? Anything good?

Finally in house and have internet for Xbox now...thinking of some MP. Anyone interested?

PC?

And where did you go? I have been gone for a week, and their are new people on the thread, and some other people are not here.

Really...you ask PC when I clearly say Xbox... [facepalm]

I haven't been here for the last couple days cause I haven't had time to get on. After school I have to work till 9pm and then I have no energy to do anything but sleep. Gotta go to work later today and I got some time to burn till then.

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

In ME2 I hated that when I tried to run away from enemies Shepard always got tired in the worst possible moment and died. I'm grateful BioWare abandoned that "feature" in ME3.

Good riddance. Pack-a-day Shep sucked

[spotlessvoid]

TJ..have you seen the indoctrinate black out murder wall picture? Hilarious

[SubAstris]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The theme of mass effect is kill the Reapers.

That is not a theme, it's the main objective

[TJBartlemus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

TJ..have you seen the indoctrinate black out murder wall picture? Hilarious

Yeah...currently catching up on all the posts...still about 20-30 pages left to catch up on... <_<

EDIT - Yeah...probably not. Gonna just skip all that and trust you will fill me in on anything awesome...gonna try to see if Live will work. If it does I'm going to be on MP. My GT is MidProduct08.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[spotlessvoid]

SubAstris wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The theme of mass effect is kill the Reapers.

That is not a theme, it's the main objective

I know man I know. That post got edited anyways

[paxxton]

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

paxxton wrote...

He was here a week or so ago.

That's cool, and how is it going?

I'm doing fine. Posting, playing MP. You?

reliving my childhood, by watching Yo Gi Oh.

Nice. What about ME3? Still a believer in IT?

Hell ya, are you?

Nah, I've abandoned the notion of ending up in a dream long ago.  jk

Btw, have you seen Choose Wisely Ep.1? The link is in my sig. Next episode is due last Friday of this month.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:44 .

[SubAstris]

spotlessvoid wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The theme of mass effect is kill the Reapers.

That is not a theme, it's the main objective

I know man I know. That post got edited anyways

Ok, no worries

[spotlessvoid]

[quote]SubAstris wrote...

[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...

[quote]SubAstris wrote...

[quote]spotlessvoid wrote...

The theme of mass effect is kill the Reapers.
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That is not a theme, it's the main objective

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I know man I know. That post got edited anyways
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Ok, no worries

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What do think of hope as the theme?

I mean, obviously
man vs machine
man vs man
and man vs self all apply, but I think Hope really is what ME has been about

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[munnellyladt]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sup guys? What have I missed in the last couple days? Anything good?

Finally in house and have internet for Xbox now...thinking of some MP. Anyone interested?

I might be on later,if you want to play a few games.
Although I don't have a mic at the moment.