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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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plfranke wrote...

@ Paxxton
That's probably because you're delusional

@Estebanus
This kind of talk in no way belongs on the IT forum, but since you brought it up... Why the hell would people ask you how it feels to murder innocents in a friendly way? If you are guilty of that I or any other decent person would certainly not wanna be your friend. Now take your issues off this thread.

Actually, I asked what was wrong? Get angry with me.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Can someone explain to me why they would release a "real" ending after extended cut and after 6(and counting) months of the games release?

Thanks! =)

By releasing a new game. What do you think?

Look, the IT allows BioWare to cook up one additional game that will center around Shepard and ending the reaper threat. If I were an EA executive, then I'd probably also order them to first realise the plot twist in another game, because I could then charge full price for something that should have already been in the game originally.



But they said ME3 was the conclussion of Shepard's story. Adding another ME game would go against them completely, and they've been continously stressing the fact that ME3 = Shepard's story ends on multiple sessions. 

Many players wouldn't want a DLC to be part of "real" ending, and I'm happy with the conclussion of the game. I would be really upset if they released a "real" DLC ending, and I'm part of the majority of gamers. Many of my friends share the same opinion, and they're the average joe as well. 

The Extended Cut gave me good closure and ending, and if they removed that from the game, I would be greatly saddened and displeased with the service of Bioware. :crying:

We're all the average Joe here. All the people I know are absolutely not satisfied with what we have now. I'm now going to state arbitrarily that I'm part of the majority. Posted Image


Why are you so uneccasary rude? :?

Are these people you know in real-life, or are they people who are part of the community forums, or etc? The majority of players are those who do not visit forums normally, or bother to much about it. They accept what's given to them. 

Fingertip...you actually like the endings?
It's not like you'd have to play the DLC. 

Yes, I enjoyed the endings, espicially after the extended-cut. They gave good closure to me, and I believe even the music that was played during the ending cinematics was emotional, and was tied-to closure messages that it was meant to portray. 

I'd probably end up buying the DLC, but there's a risk of me not enjoying it as much as I enjoyed the previous one. Besides, the "canon" aspect comes to mind as well. If there was a continuation, I would want it to be based on my non-DLC in that case, and not based on the expanded-DLC ending. 

Saying "Don't buy the DLC", isn't going to cut it for me. The problem is the continuation if they end up doing it, or relate-to the DLC ending to be the actual real deal. I foresee great consquences with adding an plot-twist DLC "real" ending. 

Significant reasons I can think of:
Dramatic effect.
Production time (depending on How Many things they're making for us).

I like to think the time spent on making EC pushed back the rest of their DLC plans, or at least slowed them down, along with the backlash maybe they thought we ready (yet) for any big revelations with future DLC 

What about it from a Company/Business-perspective? Money isn't the only thing that comes to mind. They need to strike a good morality of delievering a product that pleases the audience. Going with a plot-twist DLC "ending" would dismay the people who actually enjoyed the ending they recieved. 

See, I don't dislike IT. I believe it's a pretty cool feature, but I believe with the added Extended-Cut and other variable of factors, there's abit of a problem to implement it. I actually enjoy the ending I recieved as well now as well- but again, an expanded-plot twist DLC "ending" that occurs after the one I recieved is really like a kick in the nuts. 

It's like... win/lose type of idea in my opinion. I wholeheartly think Indoctrination Theory is very cool tho regardless, and people can interprete the ending as they like. What I'm trying to say is, I like Indoctrination Theory and the people liking it, but I just ... don't really know about expanding the ending furthermore evenmore with an add-on. :blush:

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke showed up.

If you don't like him, ignore him. He already started attacking me earlier today. I think that he dosn't do anything else than trying to incite conflict between me and him, something I don't want to be a part of.

Don't worry. He doesn't bother me at all. I'm blind to his childish posts.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@ Paxxton
That's probably because you're delusional

@Estebanus
This kind of talk in no way belongs on the IT forum, but since you brought it up... Why the hell would people ask you how it feels to murder innocents in a friendly way? If you are guilty of that I or any other decent person would certainly not wanna be your friend. Now take your issues off this thread.

Actually, I asked what was wrong? Get angry with me.

TOP! YEAH! Fell better Estebanus? Posted Image Posted Image

But he was clearly baiting someone into hearing his feel sorry for me story with the, I'm in a dark place right now bs.

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paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke showed up.

If you don't like him, ignore him. He already started attacking me earlier today. I think that he dosn't do anything else than trying to incite conflict between me and him, something I don't want to be a part of.

Don't worry. He doesn't bother me at all. I'm blind to his childish posts.

Lol that's why you had to dedicate a post just to announcing that I'd arrived on the thread? Yeah, you're real blind to me.

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masster blaster wrote...

I think if Bioware is planing an expansion pack. Then it's going to take some time, before we are going to get it

1. They first have to go back from ME1, ME2, and now ME3's playthroughs and try to come up with all of these possible end's we get. That includes the DLC as well.

Actually MB, I think one of the writers recently said they hated stupidly complicated plot variables... Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Stupid timezones...Posted Image And what's wrong? Posted Image

I've been called a murderer several times today. It pisses me off. The worst part was when I was leading a group around our base and then some started asking how it feels like to murder innocents and inciting conflict.
It depresses me a lot that people say stuff like that about me and don't even have the courtesy to at least say it in a more friendly way.

Well, I can say I didn't expect that. Posted Image I can totally see it though. Did civillians ask you? Why were they on the base? Also, forgive the stupid and disrespectful question, but have you killed anyone?

Edit: You can PM me if you want.

The military has several programs involing civilians touring military bases. I was taking part in one where officers can lead groups of civilians through their bases and try to explain to them what the soldiers there actually do. There also exist several other programs, for example where students and their teachers are invited to the base and try to be soldiers for one day.
I have in my entire life only killed one person. That happened 3 years ago. He was a suicide bomber who was running towards our outpost.

But enough. We can discuss further via PM if you want to.

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I think if Bioware is planing an expansion pack. Then it's going to take some time, before we are going to get it

1. They first have to go back from ME1, ME2, and now ME3's playthroughs and try to come up with all of these possible end's we get. That includes the DLC as well.

Actually MB, I think one of the writers recently said they hated stupidly complicated plot variables... Posted Image

 I need context!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I think if Bioware is planing an expansion pack. Then it's going to take some time, before we are going to get it

1. They first have to go back from ME1, ME2, and now ME3's playthroughs and try to come up with all of these possible end's we get. That includes the DLC as well.

Actually MB, I think one of the writers recently said they hated stupidly complicated plot variables... Posted Image


good way or bad way.

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plfranke wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

[Actually, I asked what was wrong? Get angry with me.

TOP! YEAH! Fell better Estebanus? Posted Image Posted Image

But he was clearly baiting someone into hearing his feel sorry for me story with the, I'm in a dark place right now bs.

Come on man. I don't think Estebausister was putting that out there to get attention. She was just warning people she was in a bad mood. Estebanshee goes way back. We have Estebanter all the time. We were just talking.

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plfranke wrote...

@ Paxxton
That's probably because you're delusional

@Estebanus
This kind of talk in no way belongs on the IT forum, but since you brought it up... Why the hell would people ask you how it feels to murder innocents in a friendly way? If you are guilty of that I or any other decent person would certainly not wanna be your friend. Now take your issues off this thread.

Watch out for the door kicking you too hard when you leave.

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paxxton wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

These forums are slowing down..sadly

I was about to say that the thread's been moving fast over the last days.


forums in general. Usually only this thread + one other with decent activity these days

RIP ftl speeds

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If Estebanter is about what the last post he or she or it just made cause we all know that sister story is bogus, it needs to be taken to pm. That stuff does not belong on this forum.

Casually going off topic is one thing but that's on a whole other level and it doesn't belong here. And I'm putting all trolling aside and saying it respectfully. That does not belong on this thread, and you know it doesn't.

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[quote]estebanus wrote...

Edit: You can PM me if you want.[/quote]The military has several programs involing civilians touring military bases. I was taking part in one where officers can lead groups of civilians through their bases and try to explain to them what the soldiers there actually do. There also exist several other programs, for example where students and their teachers are invited to the base and try to be soldiers for one day.
I have in my entire life only killed one person. That happened 3 years ago. He was a suicide bomber who was running towards our outpost.

[/quote]
Does the military prepare you for though (stupid) questions like that? Also, what did you feel? I don't think I'd feel any guilt whatsoever in that scenario, but then again, I wasn't there. The problem is people who are judging difficult situations without being there; without knowing the full context and lacking perspective.

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Oh I forgot to ask, but what was last weeks operation,and is TSA still parting or has he stopped.

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masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I think if Bioware is planing an expansion pack. Then it's going to take some time, before we are going to get it

1. They first have to go back from ME1, ME2, and now ME3's playthroughs and try to come up with all of these possible end's we get. That includes the DLC as well.

Actually MB, I think one of the writers recently said they hated stupidly complicated plot variables... Posted Image


good way or bad way.

That is actually bad. Really bad. Saying that you don't want to do something because it's complicated just means you're lazy.

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Dendio1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

These forums are slowing down..sadly

I was about to say that the thread's been moving fast over the last days.


forums in general. Usually only this thread + one other with decent activity these days

RIP ftl speeds

I blame the lack of leaks. We've always had a leaked DLC to discuss, until now. Posted Image

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Hey clam down Plfranke. We have done things like this in the past and we are still here. Also I haven't been on the threads for awhile, and that means I may do a MB episode.

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plfranke wrote...

If Estebanter is about what the last post he or she or it just made cause we all know that sister story is bogus, it needs to be taken to pm. That stuff does not belong on this forum.

Casually going off topic is one thing but that's on a whole other level and it doesn't belong here. And I'm putting all trolling aside and saying it respectfully. That does not belong on this thread, and you know it doesn't.

What? I'm inclined to believe Estebanus. What are you talking about?Posted Image

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Hey y'all!
When calculating the amount of rEApers we need to also throw in a variable that is a representation of the amount of time the rEApers take to reap each cycle's harvest.

Its going to take about a year for EArth lets just say 10 years to harvest all during this cycle. The ProthEAns took around 200 years? The cycle doesn't start until the previous cycle has ended not unlike a washing machine of infinite doom. Plus there is the time it took the rEApers to build their tech post Leviathan Judgment Day which is an other unknown amount of time. Plus the cycles weren't 50k years apart until all of the rEAper tech like the relays/citadel/etc were built to speed up the cycles. And while there is around 300 rEApers we can see, that doesn't mean that is all of them giving limits of Videogame tech, artist time, EA cutting out development time. There are bound to be rEApers in the hundreds still on each main planet for each race plus an unknown quantity chilling in the darkness between spaces and an amount that has begun the harvest in other galaxies.

While Banshee's logic is sound, his math doesn't take all the variables into account. So Leviathan of Dis could be a billion years old if it was killed at the dawn or near the dawn of the cycle.

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masster blaster wrote...

Oh I forgot to ask, but what was last weeks operation,and is TSA still parting or has he stopped.

Operation Vigilance with a squad goal to stay alive up to Wave 10 on any difficulty without using consumables. And yes, TSA is still part of the IT Community. He posts from time to time.

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@plfranke- You always say you come in here to discuss the IT... So discuss it! If you don't like how people make a couple of off-topic comments, you can ignore it. Dont insult people because you want them to be talking about the IT. RUDE. You are not "respectfully" pointing anything out! I do not want to talk about this anymore.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 15 septembre 2012 - 10:26 .


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estebanus wrote...

]That is actually bad. Really bad. Saying that you don't want to do something because it's complicated just means you're lazy.

I don't actually have a quote but I think he just said he doesn't enjoy doing it, not that he doesn't. For instance, I do not enjoy a lot of the work I do at school, even if I enjoy the overall project. I do it anyway.

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We need byne in here to slap some sense. Is he okay? Haven't seem him in a while.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Oh I forgot to ask, but what was last weeks operation,and is TSA still parting or has he stopped.

Operation Vigilance with a squad goal to stay alive up to Wave 10 on any difficulty without using consumables. And yes, TSA is still part of the IT Community. He posts from time to time.

OMG guys! What did they announce some of the other times we failed for no reason/were set up to fail? MP DLC to counter. Since it's been 2 months since Earth (and they STILL don't have the weapon mods out) and we don't have any leaks, I think an MP DLC hint is coming.