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If the endings are literal then there is no continuation. You could then ignore ending dlc and any possible ME4 and it would be like they never existed

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We need byne in here to slap some sense. Is he okay? Haven't seem him in a while.

Byne has an ear infection in both ears. So no. Posted Image Should I try to use some one-liners? Also, nice avatar! It's pretty funny too. Posted Image

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estebanus wrote...

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Of course the 'AI' is Harbinger.

Just the simple fact that his voice changes to a Reaper voice when he says "SO BE IT!" in the refusal ending, makes it obvious it's something that is only posing as the kid, something or someone who wants to look and sound as non-threatening as possible.

But does that mean it's Harbinger? For all we know, the reapers may actually still be led by the leviathans, and it is as a matter of fact leviathan itself trying to indoctrinate you, using Harbinger as a way to shove the blame on someone else.


As in: the Leviathans are the real enemy, they are the ones who control the Reapers? Could be. There's nothing that really indicates this though.

All I know is that in the ending, Shep was in close proximity to Harbinger, the one who told her  "Struggle if you like, your mind will be mine."

I have this weird feeling that the leviathans are actually the ones orchestrating the entire harvesting process. They appear every 50.000 years as allies when the harvesting starts, and through their "knowledge", the organics think that it is actually the fault of an AI that this all has started.
In truth, it's been the leviathans all along, and at the start of each harvest, they infiltrate the organic armies to split them apart in the end. Thus, the organics end up being destroyed by the reapers.
I also think that it was the leviathans who came up with the construction of the crucible as a sort of failsafe in case the reapers decide to break up their alliance with the leviathans.


Hah, then the Leviathans would be the ones responsible for the pattern, not the AI. xD

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

]That is actually bad. Really bad. Saying that you don't want to do something because it's complicated just means you're lazy.

I don't actually have a quote but I think he just said he doesn't enjoy doing it, not that he doesn't. For instance, I do not enjoy a lot of the work I do at school, even if I enjoy the overall project. I do it anyway.

Ah, that's something different then.

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Home run MF wrote...

We need byne in here to slap some sense. Is he okay? Haven't seem him in a while.

Wow, that is an amazing avatar.B) If I recall he said he had a double ear infection. Edit: :ph34r:'d on both of my comments, awesome.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 15 septembre 2012 - 10:32 .


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Home run MF wrote...

We need byne in here to slap some sense. Is he okay? Haven't seem him in a while.


Don't know about byne, but I heard rumor that something happened IRL to MrBtongue

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

estebanus wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Of course the 'AI' is Harbinger.

Just the simple fact that his voice changes to a Reaper voice when he says "SO BE IT!" in the refusal ending, makes it obvious it's something that is only posing as the kid, something or someone who wants to look and sound as non-threatening as possible.

But does that mean it's Harbinger? For all we know, the reapers may actually still be led by the leviathans, and it is as a matter of fact leviathan itself trying to indoctrinate you, using Harbinger as a way to shove the blame on someone else.


As in: the Leviathans are the real enemy, they are the ones who control the Reapers? Could be. There's nothing that really indicates this though.

All I know is that in the ending, Shep was in close proximity to Harbinger, the one who told her  "Struggle if you like, your mind will be mine."

I have this weird feeling that the leviathans are actually the ones orchestrating the entire harvesting process. They appear every 50.000 years as allies when the harvesting starts, and through their "knowledge", the organics think that it is actually the fault of an AI that this all has started.
In truth, it's been the leviathans all along, and at the start of each harvest, they infiltrate the organic armies to split them apart in the end. Thus, the organics end up being destroyed by the reapers.
I also think that it was the leviathans who came up with the construction of the crucible as a sort of failsafe in case the reapers decide to break up their alliance with the leviathans.


Hah, then the Leviathans would be the ones responsible for the pattern, not the AI. xD

Aye, but the control of the reapers would be nonexistant. See, I don't believe that the leviathans control the reapers per se, but more that they're in a mutual agreement with each other.

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If Estebanter is about what the last post he or she or it just made cause we all know that sister story is bogus, it needs to be taken to pm. That stuff does not belong on this forum.

Casually going off topic is one thing but that's on a whole other level and it doesn't belong here. And I'm putting all trolling aside and saying it respectfully. That does not belong on this thread, and you know it doesn't.

What? I'm inclined to believe Estebanus. What are you talking about?Posted Image

Yeah, that's interesting. Let's hear that story.

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401 Kill wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

We need byne in here to slap some sense. Is he okay? Haven't seem him in a while.

Wow, that is an amazing avatar.B) If I recall he said he had a double ear infection. Edit: :ph34r:'d on both of my comments, awesome.

Great minds think alike! Posted Image

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Just now thought of this but wasn't there a specific(there were two actually) line in the Leviathan leak months ago that referenced Harbinger in the new catalyst lines? It was essentially "Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
?" or something like that, right? Was that in the ending?

Yeah, that seems to have been cut. Very odd.

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@MB
Lol what is a mb episode?

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Just now thought of this but wasn't there a specific(there were two actually) line in the Leviathan leak months ago that referenced Harbinger in the new catalyst lines? It was essentially "Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
?" or something like that, right? Was that in the ending?

Yeah, that seems to have been cut. Very odd.

Maybe it's the lines of a future DLC?  What future DLC would refer to OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER? That seems cool.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 15 septembre 2012 - 10:46 .


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@MB
Lol what is a mb episode?

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.

I don't know what the hell you mean about similar writing styles and behaviour. And as far as I know, this is the first real time I ever said anything about being depressed.

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plfranke wrote...

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.

I can't know either way, not for sure. But I could see someone assuming I am in fact BleedingUranium (if he posted more often still). We share many ideas, writing style etc. You know why? He's my brother. Weird how that's the exact same situation as here. And both Estebanus' knowledge seems fairly accurate and appropriate. A more likely scenario is the Estebanus doesn't exist and it is only Estebanusister. Why don't you just ask Estebanus to prove she's not lying?

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estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@MB
Lol what is a mb episode?

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.

I don't know what the hell you mean about similar writing styles and behaviour. And as far as I know, this is the first real time I ever said anything about being depressed.

So the other times have just been you desparate for attention?

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Just now thought of this but wasn't there a specific(there were two actually) line in the Leviathan leak months ago that referenced Harbinger in the new catalyst lines? It was essentially "Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
?" or something like that, right? Was that in the ending?

Yeah, that seems to have been cut. Very odd.

Maybe it's the lines of a future DLC?  What future DLC would refer to OLD TOUNGUE NAME OF HARBINGER? That seems cool.

Maybe one about Harbinger? It seems many people want one. Those lines were in the EC too, not Leviathan.

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@MB
Lol what is a mb episode?

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.


Estebauns sister should know what I am talking about. Her brother and I always argue when I do one of my epsidoes, but then we make peace. Also I thought Banshee was Evil Chris, but I guess I was wrong. Unless Chris asked a Bioware staff Member to sign into his, or Banshee's acount, and there you go.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.

I can't know either way, not for sure. But I could see someone assuming I am in fact BleedingUranium (if he posted more often still). We share many ideas, writing style etc. You know why? He's my brother. Weird how that's the exact same situation as here. And both Estebanus' knowledge seems fairly accurate and appropriate. A more likely scenario is the Estebanus doesn't exist and it is only Estebanusister. Why don't you just ask Estebanus to prove she's not lying?

As in, what, me posting a picture of me and estebanus? I tend not to do stuff like that. I don't even have facebook. When estebanus comes back on, you should ask him for proof of our existence.

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@plfranke Lol, I love how you make a big deal about going off topic, and then immediately accuse Estabanus of making up a sister. REALLY!?

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Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






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[in Morpheus voice]  You think that's air you're breathing now? Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






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What if this is all a weird dream you're having? What if the world itself is nothing but a figment of your imagination?

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masster blaster wrote...

plfranke wrote...

@MB
Lol what is a mb episode?

@Banshee
It should be pretty obvious. Some guy on the internet stops logging on to his account so his sister all of a sudden starts logging on to the account. They have the same writing style, similar behavior, estebanus is constantly going on tangents about being in a dark state or depressed. It's not too hard to figure out this person is a wierdo not telling the truth about who they are. I know it's tempting to trust some random person on the internet, because they're so legit, but think it over.


Estebauns sister should know what I am talking about. Her brother and I always argue when I do one of my epsidoes, but then we make peace. Also I thought Banshee was Evil Chris, but I guess I was wrong. Unless Chris asked a Bioware staff Member to sign into his, or Banshee's acount, and there you go.

I know that he had a few encounters with you, but I didn't know this as a general thing that happened.

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






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What if this is all a weird dream you're having? What if the world itself is nothing but a figment of your imagination?

Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image

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TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image


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[in Morpheus voice]  You think that's air you're breathing now? Posted Image

Ooo and sunglasses face too. Nice.