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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

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Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






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What if this is all a weird dream you're having? What if the world itself is nothing but a figment of your imagination?

Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image

Enjoy it while it lasts, eh? That's not a bad way of seeing life.

EDIT: top!

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@plfranke Lol, I love how you make a big deal about going off topic, and then immediately accuse Estabanus of making up a sister. REALLY!?

Plfranke can go too far, but he makes valid points about some things. He's a good guy and has been part of the thread for a long time. And he is right that someone's on topic to off topic ratio should strongly favor IT, or at the very least mass effect.

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EDIT: top!

Yeah!!! Posted Image

Back on topic then: I'm finishing my wall of text about closure, and I made 2 videos about synthesis yesterday. Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image


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[in Morpheus voice]  You think that's air you're breathing now? Posted Image

Ooo and sunglasses face too. Nice.


I do my best :D

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

EDIT: top!

Yeah!!! Posted Image

Back on topic then: I'm finishing my wall of text about closure, and I made 2 videos about synthesis yesterday. Posted Image

That's cool! I don't think I've seen them, though. Could you provide a link?

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:08 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






Posted Image

What if this is all a weird dream you're having? What if the world itself is nothing but a figment of your imagination?

Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image


I'm an epistemolgical skeptic at heart, so I don't believe I can truly KNOW anything with 100% certainty. I just choose to act as though it is all real because the alternative seems dreadfully depressing and utterly boring.

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Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


Estebanus and his sister don't exist, and I'm imagining them both? Posted Image Or what if I am imagining all of you?Posted Image






Posted Image

What if this is all a weird dream you're having? What if the world itself is nothing but a figment of your imagination?

Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image


I'm an epistemolgical skeptic at heart, so I don't believe I can truly KNOW anything with 100% certainty. I just choose to act as though it is all real because the alternative seems dreadfully depressing and utterly boring.

It's still interesting to debate about, though.

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estebanus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image


I'm an epistemolgical skeptic at heart, so I don't believe I can truly KNOW anything with 100% certainty. I just choose to act as though it is all real because the alternative seems dreadfully depressing and utterly boring.

It's still interesting to debate about, though.


All ideas are. I take great pride in my ability to entertain an idea intellectually without accepting it as truth. Also, see my signature ;)

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So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind

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spotlessvoid wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

@plfranke Lol, I love how you make a big deal about going off topic, and then immediately accuse Estabanus of making up a sister. REALLY!?

Plfranke can go too far, but he makes valid points about some things. He's a good guy and has been part of the thread for a long time. And he is right that someone's on topic to off topic ratio should strongly favor IT, or at the very least mass effect.

Yes I would be happy to discuss the theory with him, but he has been rude as of late and I'm not sure why...

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Hrothdane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image


I'm an epistemolgical skeptic at heart, so I don't believe I can truly KNOW anything with 100% certainty. I just choose to act as though it is all real because the alternative seems dreadfully depressing and utterly boring.

It's still interesting to debate about, though.


All ideas are. I take great pride in my ability to entertain an idea intellectually without accepting it as truth. Also, see my signature ;)

My brother is really good at doing that, too. He does that a lot when he discusses religion and science with his friends.

Also, that's a great sig.

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So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

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Hrothdane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image


I'm an epistemolgical skeptic at heart, so I don't believe I can truly KNOW anything with 100% certainty. I just choose to act as though it is all real because the alternative seems dreadfully depressing and utterly boring.

It's still interesting to debate about, though.


All ideas are. I take great pride in my ability to entertain an idea intellectually without accepting it as truth. Also, see my signature ;)


I've looked at your sig before.  There is a great deal of truth to it.  If you think about it, there is even value to be found in false ideas: learning how to determine that an idea is in fact false conditions your mind to ponder more intricate ideas

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@Hrothdane Same here.
@ Estebanus (and I guess Hrothdane) Here are the 3 similar and not very well made videos.
The Last Stand
Critical Mission Failure
Shepard Commits Suicide

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TheConstantOne wrote...

So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind


I want to know how TIM somehow knows what the Crucible does when all the best scientists from a dozen different fields couldn't figure it out.

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@Hrothdane Same here.
@ Estebanus (and I guess Hrothdane) Here are the 3 similar and not very well made videos.
The Last Stand
Critical Mission Failure
Shepard Commits Suicide

I laughed at "Critical mission failure" and "Shepard commits suicide." Priceless.

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TheConstantOne wrote...

So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind

Because he already had a crucible, like you said. Posted Image

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TheConstantOne wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Solipsism. It's not really worth thinking about. Posted Image


I'm an epistemolgical skeptic at heart, so I don't believe I can truly KNOW anything with 100% certainty. I just choose to act as though it is all real because the alternative seems dreadfully depressing and utterly boring.

It's still interesting to debate about, though.


All ideas are. I take great pride in my ability to entertain an idea intellectually without accepting it as truth. Also, see my signature ;)


I've looked at your sig before.  There is a great deal of truth to it.  If you think about it, there is even value to be found in false ideas: learning how to determine that an idea is in fact false conditions your mind to ponder more intricate ideas

And it gets the person who came up with the idea to learn from his failures and make even better ones.

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Even starchild, leviathan, and harbinger couldn't figure it out

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So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it shows how much they trust each other.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:26 .


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TheConstantOne wrote...

So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind

Indoctrination is what is going through TIM's mind. You could ask the same thing about why he indoctrinated his own forces too, if he worked with the Aliance he would not have to do this. Remember when TIM tells Shepard that "In the end our goals are simply too disparate." He knows that everybody else wants to destroy the reapers, so maybe he wants to find a way to control the Reapers before anybody can destroy them. That benefits the Reapers because he is sabatoging the efforts of those that wish to destroy the reapers.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:24 .


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Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

Unless he's extremely cunning and manipulative, in which case: Bravo.

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paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it only proves how much they trust each other.

It wouldn't make sense for me to make my own account since I don't even own ME3, nor do I have any interest in buying it. Even if I'd make my own account, I wouldn't be able to post here.

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Hrothdane wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind


I want to know how TIM somehow knows what the Crucible does when all the best scientists from a dozen different fields couldn't figure it out.


It is strange.  There may have been an answer in the Prothean data on Mars.  We don't know how long Eva was going through the data before Shepard's team arrived.

Another question related to this is how TIM knew the Citadel was important to the Crucible before Thessia.  I am almost certain that the Cerberus attack on the Citadel was solely for TIM to learn more about what the station's significance was to the Crucible

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it only proves how much they trust each other.

It wouldn't make sense for me to make my own account since I don't even own ME3, nor do I have any interest in buying it. Even if I'd make my own account, I wouldn't be able to post here.

So we have that settled. Posted Image