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[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it only proves how much they trust each other.

It wouldn't make sense for me to make my own account since I don't even own ME3, nor do I have any interest in buying it. Even if I'd make my own account, I wouldn't be able to post here.

So we have that settled.

Indeed.

EDIT: Top again!

Modifié par estebanus, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:29 .

[TheConstantOne]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it only proves how much they trust each other.

My sister and I use the same account.  She doesn't play games much but when she wants to play something, she just gives me a head's up

Interestingly, the main account she and I use is not this one.  I had to create this account to talk to EA when I messed up changing the email address for me main account.  But I like the name for this account better, so I talk with it haha

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

I want to know how TIM somehow knows what the Crucible does when all the best scientists from a dozen different fields couldn't figure it out.

Because the reapers told him its function.

Wait...

Seriously though, it is a good question. I mean, Shepard never asks him how he knows. Another thing. Vendetta said they couldn't complete the crucible because an indoctrinated splinter group wanted control. So they obviously didn't build the crucible; the protheans who wanted to destroy the reapers built it. Why would they make it control them? In addition, the citadel is apparently the object that allows the crucible to have different outcomes. So how if the crucible is acutally a battery, then how did TIM figure it could control reapers?

[Hrothdane]

@estebanus and TheConstantOne

Thanks for the compliments on the signature. It's basically my philosophy on life, so I take the compliments quite personally

As for on-topic, I agree ConstantOne that TIM probably instigated the coup because he knew the Citadel's significance, which brings up another point.

What exactly is the timeline between Mars and the Citadel coup? The data we find in C-SEC headquarters indicates that Cerberus had been funneling in agents and equipment over a long period of time. Furthermore, Udina tried to promote Bailey to a position in which he would be incapable as a way to help the coup, and the promotion presumably happened in the 6 month interim between ME2 and 3 because Bailey mentions having to cancel the trip to Earth he said he was planning in ME2.

[401 Kill]

401 Kill wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind

Indoctrination is what is going through TIM's mind. You could ask the same thing about why he indoctrinated his own forces too, if he worked with the Aliance he would not have to do this. Remember when TIM tells Shepard that "In the end our goals are simply too disparate." He knows that everybody else wants to destroy the reapers, so maybe he wants to find a way to control the Reapers before anybody can destroy them. That benefits the Reapers because he is sabatoging the efforts of those that wish to destroy the reapers.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...
Indeed.

EDIT: Top again!

Wow. That is impressive. Let me know when you want to switch.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 15 septembre 2012 - 11:36 .

[paxxton]

TheConstantOne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it only proves how much they trust each other.

My sister and I use the same account.  She doesn't play games much but when she wants to play something, she just gives me a head's up

Interestingly, the main account she and I use is not this one.  I had to create this account to talk to EA when I messed up changing the email address for me main account.  But I like the name for this account better, so I talk with it haha

Fair enough. And watch out cause losing your password and messing up your e-mail address can virtually leave your account inaccessible.

[TheConstantOne]

401 Kill wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

So here's a nugget of speculation for everyone. I don't believe that TIM was completely in the thralls of indoctrination until he implanted himself with Reaper tech. So if that suspicion is true...there is something seriously wrong with his tactics.

The Illusive Man wants to control the Reapers and believes that the Crucible will allow him to do so. With that in mind...why is he trying to cripple all of the Alliance's efforts? The more systems they lose to the Reapers, the less able they will be able to acquire to complete the Crucible, which is the very object TIM needs. Aiding the Alliance and betraying them in the final hour would be more wise. Why resort to these tactics?

I think it points to something about Omega that we don't know yet. Of course, I am very biased towards the idea of Omega being a nearly complete Crucible, so I'm opening the floor for other possible thoughts on just what is going through TIM's mind

Indoctrination is what is going through TIM's mind. You could ask the same thing about why he indoctrinated his own forces too, if he worked with the Aliance he would not have to do this. Remember when TIM tells Shepard that "In the end our goals are simply too disparate." He knows that everybody else wants to destroy the reapers, so maybe he wants to find a way to control the Reapers before anybody can destroy them. That benefits the Reapers because he is sabatoging the efforts of those that wish to destroy the reapers.

There is no question that TIM's actions are helping the Reaper's.  Indoctrination is a slow process and its early stages may have convinced him that his course of action was correct.  But if the indoctrination effect on TIM was substantial enough to cause him to embark on his course of action, he made moves on Omega way before the invasion and his plans to attack the Citadel also predated the Reaper invasion.  Given TIM's willpower and resolve, I'm just not confident that his mental clarity was *completely* broken before getting his implants. 

Does anyone know when TIM got implanted?  I may have missed a few hints.  Come to think of it, he does say that "implants take some getting used to" to Kai Leng.  That could imply that TIM implanted himself before ME 3.  But that still leaves the Omega and Citadel question open for debate

[TheConstantOne]

paxxton wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So is there SERIOUSLY debate about whether estebanusister is real? Because if so, whoever believes she's fake is, put bluntly, nuts. Estebanus talked about her plenty of times before she showed up, and I see NO reason to doubt him or her.

ROTFL. I can't believe people started this discussion. Estebanusister was shot. She has plenty of free time so it's reasonable her brother would give her access to BSN. I'm not sure why they use the same account but it only proves how much they trust each other.

My sister and I use the same account.  She doesn't play games much but when she wants to play something, she just gives me a head's up

Interestingly, the main account she and I use is not this one.  I had to create this account to talk to EA when I messed up changing the email address for me main account.  But I like the name for this account better, so I talk with it haha

Fair enough. And watch out cause losing your password and messing up your e-mail address can virtually leave your account inaccessible.

I know.  It was a close call   Unusual for me to because I am typically good at keeping things in order

[BansheeOwnage]

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

[BansheeOwnage]

TheConstantOne wrote...

I know.  It was a close call   Unusual for me to because I am typically good at keeping things in order

I had the feeling you do because of your name. I was right!

[Hrothdane]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

[401 Kill]

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

If you are suggesting that TIM had the coup in order to sabatoge the Citidel to make it easier for the reapers to take it, woah, that is not something I thought about. If you are not suggesting that, I may have misunderstood you.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

Yes. Maybe they installed the choice-o-matic!  

In all seriousness, I think this is important. And what's the storyline of the MP/SP tie-in been? The reapers' plan. Hopefully we get to know what it is soon. We still don't know  what was in the destroyer's memory core.

[masster blaster]

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

Really I got Anderson's talk about London after the I made peace with the geth, and their creators.

[masster blaster]

401 Kill wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

If you are suggesting that TIM had the coup in order to sabatoge the Citidel to make it easier for the reapers to take it, woah, that is not something I thought about. If you are not suggesting that, I may have misunderstood you.

Thus brings me to wonder. What is the poiht of the Citadel Defence force, if they do nothing, or not even try to help Shepard in the first place.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

Really I got Anderson's talk about London after the I made peace with the geth, and their creators.

He talks about London twice (or more).
@Citadel Defense Force
One of the biggest Chekhov's guns in the game. Like the GX12 thermal pipe. They could have done so much with that asset. How exactly does having a citadel defense force help us in the final battle anyway? Because the reapers attack the citadel and you must fight your way through it. But we don't do that... Yet! Someone make a list of Chekhov's guns please.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[masster blaster]

Also been replaying ME1, and I notice something. If you are not in the Citadel Persiduim/ the Wards, then there is nothing keeping you from dying out side of space. You see when we are inside the Citadel, we can breath, but when we are outside the Citadel, we can't breath. No forced field is outside the Citadel, but in the inside.

In ME1 Shepard tells everyone that they are going outside, but they put their helmets on first. Well when we are with the Catalyst, we are not inside the Citadel, but the outside.

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:06 .

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

Also been replaying ME1, and I notice something. If you are not in the Citadel Persiduim/ the Wards, then there is nothing keeping you from dying out side of space. You see when we are inside the Citadel, we can breath, but when we are outside the Citadel, we can't breath. No forced field is outside the Citadel, but in the inside.

In ME1 Shepard tells everyone that they are going outside, but they put their helmets on first. Well when we are with the Catalyst, we are not inside the Citadel, but the outside.

Literalists argue that that part has mass effect field to maintain an atmosphere like the wards. I just say it adds to the surreal aspects of the end.

[masster blaster]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

Really I got Anderson's talk about London after the I made peace with the geth, and their creators.

He talks about London twice (or more).
@Citadel Defense Force
One of the biggest Chekhov's guns in the game. Like the GX12 thermal pipe. They could have done so much with that asset. How exactly does having a citadel defense force help us in the final battle anyway? Because the reapers attack the citadel and you must fight your way through it. But we don't do that... Yet! Someone make a list of Chekhov's guns please.

Another thing that I find weird is that, if you talk to Adams,Ken, and Gabby. Then if you don't get this, then the Normandys core will overload, and kill everyone inside the room.  Which Shepard says " That sounds serious."
Yet I always wonder what if you don't upgrade the Normandy, and you have high EMS. Does the Normandy make it, and if not, then how.

From what Ken, and Gabby told me in ME2, if they din't get a part they need, then they have to calabrate the Normandy everyday. But what if you are going into battle.

[DoomsdayDevice]

What I really don't get about the whole Crucible connecting to the Citadel is the orientation.

The Crucible connects to the underside of the Presidium tower. So if the place where we meet TIM and Anderson is real, how can the elevator take you up? It doesn't make sense.

Think about it, you go up in that room, then end up on the bottom of the tower.

So basically that room, plus the underside of the tower where the Crucible connects (the 'decision chamber' - which totally looks like it is in outer space) both need to have gravity field generators that are oriented differently with respect to the rest of the tower.

Know what I mean?

Every time I try to figure it out, my brain hurts.

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

From what Ken, and Gabby told me in ME2, if they din't get a part they need, then they have to calabrate the Normandy everyday. But what if you are going into battle.

That scene about how that would happen in serious combat was massive foreshadowing - that lead nowhere. Like SO MANY OTHER THINGS! 

[TheConstantOne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheConstantOne wrote...

I know.  It was a close call   Unusual for me to because I am typically good at keeping things in order

I had the feeling you do because of your name. I was right!

Hahaha good observation! Interestingly, the motivation behind the name was that I would constantly email EA until they helped resolve my account problem.  Thus I was TheConstantOne haha

[TheConstantOne]

401 Kill wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

If you are suggesting that TIM had the coup in order to sabatoge the Citidel to make it easier for the reapers to take it, woah, that is not something I thought about. If you are not suggesting that, I may have misunderstood you.

I hadn't considered sabotage either.  It is a distinct possibility.  There is just too much about Cerberus in this game's timeframe that we don't know

[Hrothdane]

401 Kill wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Hrothdane Nice signature btw.
Here's something to think about. Why did the reapers build the beam/have a plan for London long before TIM tells them the citadel is the catalyst? Logical explanation: They are building a trap.

Thanks 

I pinned down exactly when Anderson can first tell you that something is going down in London. Right after the Citadel coup attempt, once you go do any side mission (I did Cerberus Fighter Base), Anderson mentions it.

The connection to the Citadel coup does raise some interesting possibilities for speculation. For such a big operation, Cerberus was remarkably unsuccessful at the actual "coup" part and they were quite quick to leave all of a sudden. Perhaps the operation was intended for another purpose....

If you are suggesting that TIM had the coup in order to sabatoge the Citidel to make it easier for the reapers to take it, woah, that is not something I thought about. If you are not suggesting that, I may have misunderstood you.

That is one possibility I was hinting at. We already know that Kai Leng released a VI into the computer systems that removed all trace of him. Why wouldn't a practical and devious man like TIM take further advantage of having unimpeded access to the Citadel's systems?