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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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TheConstantOne wrote...

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I know.  It was a close call Posted Image  Unusual for me to because I am typically good at keeping things in order

I had the feeling you do because of your name. I was right! Posted Image


Hahaha good observation! Interestingly, the motivation behind the name was that I would constantly email EA until they helped resolve my account problem.  Thus I was TheConstantOne haha

That's pretty funny.

Edit: You can have a break now, Estebanus ;)

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What I really don't get about the whole Crucible connecting to the Citadel is the orientation.

The Crucible connects to the underside of the Presidium tower. So if the place where we meet TIM and Anderson is real, how can the elevator take you up? It doesn't make sense.

Think about it, you go up in that room, then end up on the bottom of the tower.

So basically that room, plus the underside of the tower where the Crucible connects (the 'decision chamber' - which totally looks like it is in outer space) both need to have gravity field generators that are oriented differently with respect to the rest of the tower.

Know what I mean?

Every time I try to figure it out, my brain hurts.


I want to now why our Reaper friend from ME1 used the Citadel Tower/ the Chambers of the Councile to activate the Citadel.

Also doesn't the CItadel have turrets? In ME1 you had to actiavte some turrets to take down that Geth ship, so why were they not activated at all?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

What I really don't get about the whole Crucible connecting to the Citadel is the orientation.

The Crucible connects to the underside of the Presidium tower. So if the place where we meet TIM and Anderson is real, how can the elevator take you up? It doesn't make sense.

Think about it, you go up in that room, then end up on the bottom of the tower.

So basically that room, plus the underside of the tower where the Crucible connects (the 'decision chamber' - which totally looks like it is in outer space) both need to have gravity field generators that are oriented differently with respect to the rest of the tower.

Know what I mean?

Every time I try to figure it out, my brain hurts.

Of course it would all depend on which way Shepard is facing when leaving the beam. I can't see any points of interest in the TIM convo, including the citadel tower. Can someone flycam to see which way the arms are pointing? Though I think you're right.

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masster blaster wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

What I really don't get about the whole Crucible connecting to the Citadel is the orientation.

The Crucible connects to the underside of the Presidium tower. So if the place where we meet TIM and Anderson is real, how can the elevator take you up? It doesn't make sense.

Think about it, you go up in that room, then end up on the bottom of the tower.

So basically that room, plus the underside of the tower where the Crucible connects (the 'decision chamber' - which totally looks like it is in outer space) both need to have gravity field generators that are oriented differently with respect to the rest of the tower.

Know what I mean?

Every time I try to figure it out, my brain hurts.


I want to now why our Reaper friend from ME1 used the Citadel Tower/ the Chambers of the Councile to activate the Citadel.

Also doesn't the CItadel have turrets? In ME1 you had to actiavte some turrets to take down that Geth ship, so why were they not activated at all?

Well, they wouldn't to much to Sovereign anyway. It is possible the geth disabled them any thus you must manually reactivate them. Regardless, you raise (again) a very good point about why he needed to do that if the Guardian was there all along. Posted Image

I'll be back later, as I hope to finish me wall of text about closure and make progress on my PC playthrough so I can make videos.

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Okay what if we were suppose to remember Javik's shard, and Eve's Crystal at the end of ME3. Think about it. We were suppose to remember what they told us about what made their races fall. For the Krogan it was Technology. Nuclear war almost killed all their people, and after the Rachni wars/ Rebellions, their races received the Genophage. Javik's people were to independent, and could never adapt, but their synthetics were evil do to the creators.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

What I really don't get about the whole Crucible connecting to the Citadel is the orientation.

The Crucible connects to the underside of the Presidium tower. So if the place where we meet TIM and Anderson is real, how can the elevator take you up? It doesn't make sense.

Think about it, you go up in that room, then end up on the bottom of the tower.

So basically that room, plus the underside of the tower where the Crucible connects (the 'decision chamber' - which totally looks like it is in outer space) both need to have gravity field generators that are oriented differently with respect to the rest of the tower.

Know what I mean?

Every time I try to figure it out, my brain hurts.

If you look at it in the end movies of ME1, when Sovereign "docks" with the tower, you can see this area is actually large enough to contain the TIM confrontation room in ME3. You even get a better idea when you look around the area in the Catalyst scene, with the huge hole under the platforms. From afar, many details are not shown, like when you see the Crucible docking, the "room" area looks quite flat and simple, without the small walls, the "hole" and... no windows!

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:38 .


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Also what if all along we have had it back words. You see from what we can come up with is that it's the Organics that strike first not the Synthetics, but the Catalyst says the oppiste. What if Synthetics created the Organics, and that is why they harvest Organics life. Ever since ME1 Sovereign said we were an error ( I mean Organics in general), and the cave drawings are starting to make me feel that. the Reapers are the once that created the Leviathans, and when the Leviathans rebelled against the Reapers. They were shut down. Thus brings me to Shepard, and Leviathan.

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That is one possibility I was hinting at. We already know that Kai Leng released a VI into the computer systems that removed all trace of him. Why wouldn't a practical and devious man like TIM take further advantage of having unimpeded access to the Citadel's systems?

It's obvious that the VI released into the systems is the "Catalyst" at the end.:happy: I am joking. I really hope that the alleged Omega DLC will answer questions like this. I think he takes full advantage this VI.

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masster blaster wrote...

Also what if all along we have had it back words. You see from what we can come up with is that it's the Organics that strike first not the Synthetics, but the Catalyst says the oppiste. What if Synthetics created the Organics, and that is why they harvest Organics life. Ever since ME1 Sovereign said we were an error ( I mean Organics in general), and the cave drawings are starting to make me feel that. the Reapers are the once that created the Leviathans, and when the Leviathans rebelled against the Reapers. They were shut down. Thus brings me to Shepard, and Leviathan.

Hey! Matststser Blatstser! Howdyado?

You are opening the Big Door to philosophy here. The chicken or the egg ? We should find out first how "synthetics" could rise from dirt.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:43 .


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Ooops   ...   sorry... I quoted my previous post.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:45 .


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Iconoclaste wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also what if all along we have had it back words. You see from what we can come up with is that it's the Organics that strike first not the Synthetics, but the Catalyst says the oppiste. What if Synthetics created the Organics, and that is why they harvest Organics life. Ever since ME1 Sovereign said we were an error ( I mean Organics in general), and the cave drawings are starting to make me feel that. the Reapers are the once that created the Leviathans, and when the Leviathans rebelled against the Reapers. They were shut down. Thus brings me to Shepard, and Leviathan.

Hey! Matststser Blatstser! Howdyado?

You are opening the Big Door to philosophy here. The chicken or the egg first? We should find out first how "synthetics" could rise from dirt.


Hello to you to, and I am just saying that The Reapers could be the Creators of the Organics.

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masster blaster wrote...

Okay what if we were suppose to remember Javik's shard, and Eve's Crystal at the end of ME3. Think about it. We were suppose to remember what they told us about what made their races fall. For the Krogan it was Technology. Nuclear war almost killed all their people, and after the Rachni wars/ Rebellions, their races received the Genophage. Javik's people were to independent, and could never adapt, but their synthetics were evil do to the creators.


Javik:
What had been our strength--our empire--became a liability. All races conformed to one doctrine, one strategy. The Reapers exploited this. Once they found our weaknesses, we could not adapt. The subservient races became divided and confused. Then, it was only a matter of time.


The Prothean's flaw was their desire to control everything...

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Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay what if we were suppose to remember Javik's shard, and Eve's Crystal at the end of ME3. Think about it. We were suppose to remember what they told us about what made their races fall. For the Krogan it was Technology. Nuclear war almost killed all their people, and after the Rachni wars/ Rebellions, their races received the Genophage. Javik's people were to independent, and could never adapt, but their synthetics were evil do to the creators.


Javik:
What had been our strength--our empire--became a liability. All races conformed to one doctrine, one strategy. The Reapers exploited this. Once they found our weaknesses, we could not adapt. The subservient races became divided and confused. Then, it was only a matter of time.


The Porthean's flaw was their desire to control everything...


Yes and we have the chocie to follow the Prothean's flaw again.

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Hello to you to, and I am just saying that The Reapers could be the Creators of the Organics.

I understood. I was just pointing out that it would be difficult since the Reapers have "organic minds" made of grey goo, obtained from organics. Plus, synthetics clearly need some "creator", while organics... that is still in debate!  :D

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Bill Casey wrote...

Javik:[/b] What had been our strength--our empire--became a liability. All races conformed to one doctrine, one strategy. The Reapers exploited this. Once they found our weaknesses, we could not adapt. The subservient races became divided and confused. Then, it was only a matter of time.


The Porthean's flaw was their desire to control everything...

That led to them being homogenous (synthesis) and thus, they failed.

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Eve: You're locked in a cave for seven days with just enough food to last. On the eighth, you'll starve.
Shepard: What does that prove?
Eve: Your resolve.

Shepard: How did you make it out alive?
Eve: I started digging the wrong way.

Eve: I found this. A simple crystal, but it became my chisel. Take this as a reminder, Commander. In the darkest hour, there's always a way out.

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Apparently they teased SP DLC at Montreal 

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Interesting. Hope we get a clearer pic in the next day or so. Can't make much out.

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Apparently they teased SP DLC at Montreal 

Was that at the ComicCon?

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I know it's hard to process, but what if the Reapers are the Leviathans creators. What if they were the once to cause this cycle to happen. The Reapers built the Leviathans to find a new evolution for them to go into. Thus why Synthesis is what the Reapers came up with. You see the Leviathans are the proto REAPER, of their next evolution. In other words that is why we see the Leviathans as part Organics, and part Synthetic. Then the Reapers implanted them selves with Organic DNA/ Genetic material, but somethings was missing.

Human Genetic Material. You see once the Reapers were done with their evolution they had no use for the Leviathans any more, so they were going to pull the plug on the Leviathans, but the Organics striked first. And once the Reapers defeated the Leviathans, their numbers were to few, and that's when they created more Organic's, so that They could make more of them, and find the solution to their problem, but they needed the Organics to evolve first, and follow their paths/test they wanted the Organics to do.

That could be why the Reapers say " You can not  comprehend our existents."

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Apparently they teased SP DLC at Montreal 

Was that at the ComicCon?


Afirmative

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I just saw the schedule. "The Making of Mass Effect 3", at 11:00 am. Too bad.

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Home run MF wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Apparently they teased SP DLC at Montreal 

Was that at the ComicCon?


Afirmative

It looks like he is looking at the blueprints of some ship, though I can't see it clearly.

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Home run MF wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Apparently they teased SP DLC at Montreal 

Was that at the ComicCon?


Afirmative

Why are they doing this? At least they should have released a teaser. A single picture is not enough. I think it shows that they don't treat their fanbase seriously. Shame. They did it once - ok, but this time they have gone too far (pun). Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 16 septembre 2012 - 01:12 .


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masster blaster wrote...

I know it's hard to process, but what if the Reapers are the Leviathans creators. What if they were the once to cause this cycle to happen. The Reapers built the Leviathans to find a new evolution for them to go into. Thus why Synthesis is what the Reapers came up with. You see the Leviathans are the proto REAPER, of their next evolution. In other words that is why we see the Leviathans as part Organics, and part Synthetic. Then the Reapers implanted them selves with Organic DNA/ Genetic material, but somethings was missing.

Human Genetic Material. You see once the Reapers were done with their evolution they had no use for the Leviathans any more, so they were going to pull the plug on the Leviathans, but the Organics striked first. And once the Reapers defeated the Leviathans, their numbers were to few, and that's when they created more Organic's, so that They could make more of them, and find the solution to their problem, but they needed the Organics to evolve first, and follow their paths/test they wanted the Organics to do.

That could be why the Reapers say " You can not  comprehend our existents."

Maybe.


Maybe not.

Don't disturb the thread....

-_-

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 16 septembre 2012 - 01:17 .