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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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The cycle continues. New speculations can rise and flourish on the remains of the old ones.

I'm not mad. I'm actually happy Priestly did it. Now, we can come back on-topic again.

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I like the IT theory and believe it to some degree and other ways don't. But I just finished mass effect 3 again with EC destroy ending high EMS and heres what gets me that IT theory could be right. The citadel is made of metal. It's destroyed with destroy high EMS as shown in sideshows and then rebuilt. London is also shown rebuilt along with earth in a futuristic way. Everyone knows Shepard survives in destroy high EMS (if anyone thinks otherwise look at the collectors edition guide book stamped by bioware telling you how to get each ending and the high EMS endings it says Shepard survives) so when he takes that breath AFTER all the rebuilding has happened then why is he still lying in rubble? Hasn't everything just been rebuild therefore no rubble and debris left? I've just noticed this know, its abit strange

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Maybe they didn't catch the person? 

Maybe they're leaking the stuff on purpose?


Then why don't they post more hints towards IT for us to speculate on? To me it seems that there is a lack on new evidence being found...

They also could not be giving hints cause they think there are plenty and we are just not seeing them yet and/or we are looking in the wrong places. (Thus my upcoming analysis of ME3)

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lex0r11 wrote...

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Nothing was here, lex0r11.


Please don't put my name into your scraped posts.


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L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

FFZero wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

PM from Chris Priestly:
Boils down to - Operation Overwatch results release tomorrow, don't expect a single-player DLC related announcement with the results.



Kind of expected this really, but I doubt we’ll be waiting much longer for an announcement.


They generally release announcements of DLC about 3 or 4 days prior so we really can't predict when. We even still have yet to get a reddit leak on new DLC too....so don't expect it to be soon.


Didn't someone from Bioware state that they found out who was doing the Leaks?


That doesn't necessarily mean they're going to stop, though. Sometimes companies intentionally leak things to build up excitement and hype. The Leviathan stuff in the EC files is proof of this, since it gave people just enough information to speculate on and make them eager for more, but it doesn't really give away anything major. My guess is that, if Bioware was responsible for the leaks in the first place, there might be some minor leaks for Leviathan, but it's highly unlikely they'll let information about any post-ending DLC leak, since it would be hard to pick out information that wouldn't confirm IT. Any IT DLC would probably be known to as few people as possible also, like the ending was, so there's another reason we wouldn't get a leak on that.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Maybe they didn't catch the person? 

Maybe they're leaking the stuff on purpose?


I wish I had TDK Joker picture, that says " It's all part of the plan."

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KIERONOO wrote...

I like the IT theory and believe it to some degree and other ways don't. But I just finished mass effect 3 again with EC destroy ending high EMS and heres what gets me that IT theory could be right. The citadel is made of metal. It's destroyed with destroy high EMS as shown in sideshows and then rebuilt. London is also shown rebuilt along with earth in a futuristic way. Everyone knows Shepard survives in destroy high EMS (if anyone thinks otherwise look at the collectors edition guide book stamped by bioware telling you how to get each ending and the high EMS endings it says Shepard survives) so when he takes that breath AFTER all the rebuilding has happened then why is he still lying in rubble? Hasn't everything just been rebuild therefore no rubble and debris left? I've just noticed this know, its abit strange


In the files it says the slide show is a flashforward. The breath scene is before that flashforward or is after if you believe that it is still a hallucination until the point where he wakes up. 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

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Zso_Zso wrote...

What if the last SP DLC allows you to *continue* after Sheppard wakes up in the rubble (playable after destroy ending only) and you actually have to fight your way into the citadel (with your real weapons and no slow-down magic), thus confirming the whole hallucination theory !?

Now, that would be the day ;)


Well according to BW, no DLC will be on the end so yeah...

Also according to BW, they can't confirm whether DLC will be about the end so yeah...

Edit: We know Leviathan alters the ending somewhat too so...


We know it's not going to be because other comments have contradicted that

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TJBartlemus wrote...

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One thing I have to note, since I haven't seen it really discussed. They added Harbinger flying around the decision chamber in EC, perhaps solidifying the theory that Catalyst could indeed be Harbinger.


How do you know it's Harbinger? I could only tell it was a reaper. I also think I would notice the front leg being missing if it was Harbinger. :blush:


Compare:

Original

EC

Yet later:


And still:

"They became the first true Reaper."

Modifié par Humakt83, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .


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SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Zso_Zso wrote...

What if the last SP DLC allows you to *continue* after Sheppard wakes up in the rubble (playable after destroy ending only) and you actually have to fight your way into the citadel (with your real weapons and no slow-down magic), thus confirming the whole hallucination theory !?

Now, that would be the day ;)


Well according to BW, no DLC will be on the end so yeah...

Also according to BW, they can't confirm whether DLC will be about the end so yeah...

Edit: We know Leviathan alters the ending somewhat too so...


We know it's not going to be because other comments have contradicted that


Actually surprisingly enough, in the leak script for Leviathan it has new script for the conversation with the Catalyst in connetion to have done the DLC. So the DLC's will affect the endings in some way. ^_^ Also BioWare claims that they cannot give a definitive answer if any SP DLC will be after the endings.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:04 .


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SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Zso_Zso wrote...

What if the last SP DLC allows you to *continue* after Sheppard wakes up in the rubble (playable after destroy ending only) and you actually have to fight your way into the citadel (with your real weapons and no slow-down magic), thus confirming the whole hallucination theory !?

Now, that would be the day ;)


Well according to BW, no DLC will be on the end so yeah...

Also according to BW, they can't confirm whether DLC will be about the end so yeah...

Edit: We know Leviathan alters the ending somewhat too so...


We know it's not going to be because other comments have contradicted that


it's a F****** REAPER. It's going to change the endings in some degree, but not that much.

#212
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masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Zso_Zso wrote...

What if the last SP DLC allows you to *continue* after Sheppard wakes up in the rubble (playable after destroy ending only) and you actually have to fight your way into the citadel (with your real weapons and no slow-down magic), thus confirming the whole hallucination theory !?

Now, that would be the day ;)


Well according to BW, no DLC will be on the end so yeah...

Also according to BW, they can't confirm whether DLC will be about the end so yeah...

Edit: We know Leviathan alters the ending somewhat too so...


We know it's not going to be because other comments have contradicted that


it's a F****** REAPER. It's going to change the endings in some degree, but not that much.

LOL. The only thing leviathan does for the endings is give Shepard another investigation option, and that's it.

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Humakt83 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

One thing I have to note, since I haven't seen it really discussed. They added Harbinger flying around the decision chamber in EC, perhaps solidifying the theory that Catalyst could indeed be Harbinger.


How do you know it's Harbinger? I could only tell it was a reaper. I also think I would notice the front leg being missing if it was Harbinger. :blush:


Compare:

Original

EC

Yet later:


And still:

"They became the first true Reaper."


I can't tell for the first 3 but the last one is definitley not Harbinger. You can clearly see the front leg on the Reaper is still attached.

(I was also right that THEY DID change/enhance the first reaper that hovers when talking to the Catalyst.)

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .


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Flog61 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Nothing was here, lex0r11.


Please don't put my name into your scraped posts.


Scrapped*

BWAHAHAHAHAHA :) Grammar **** strikes again

Ok, lex, sorry. Just wanted to make the accounting easier for you. Posted Image

Flog, don't be too hard on him. That was only a spelling mistake. Can happen to everyone.

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:15 .


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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Zso_Zso wrote...

What if the last SP DLC allows you to *continue* after Sheppard wakes up in the rubble (playable after destroy ending only) and you actually have to fight your way into the citadel (with your real weapons and no slow-down magic), thus confirming the whole hallucination theory !?

Now, that would be the day ;)


Well according to BW, no DLC will be on the end so yeah...

Also according to BW, they can't confirm whether DLC will be about the end so yeah...

Edit: We know Leviathan alters the ending somewhat too so...


We know it's not going to be because other comments have contradicted that


it's a F****** REAPER. It's going to change the endings in some degree, but not that much.

LOL. The only thing leviathan does for the endings is give Shepard another investigation option, and that's it.


So we think. They could have added what we needed to know, and they still have the best part of the leviathan dlc script in their hands.

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SubAstris wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Zso_Zso wrote...

What if the last SP DLC allows you to *continue* after Sheppard wakes up in the rubble (playable after destroy ending only) and you actually have to fight your way into the citadel (with your real weapons and no slow-down magic), thus confirming the whole hallucination theory !?

Now, that would be the day ;)


Well according to BW, no DLC will be on the end so yeah...

Also according to BW, they can't confirm whether DLC will be about the end so yeah...

Edit: We know Leviathan alters the ending somewhat too so...


We know it's not going to be because other comments have contradicted that

You know, BW has never condraticted themselves before. It could go either way. Though I'm not in any way surprised you would take their word at face value. How eften do you get tricked?

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We got closed again? Oh well. So, anyone have any predictions for the outcome of Overwatch? I'm hoping for success, but it would not surprise me if we failed. Here's hoping we DID beat them, though.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

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Compare:

Original

EC

Yet later:


And still:

"They became the first true Reaper."


I can't tell for the first 3 but the last one is definitley not Harbinger. You can clearly see the front leg on the Reaper is still attached.

(I was also right that THEY DID change/enhance the first reaper that hovers when talking to the Catalyst.)


Harbinger has a leg missing? Since when?

Modifié par Humakt83, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:16 .


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TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

One thing I have to note, since I haven't seen it really discussed. They added Harbinger flying around the decision chamber in EC, perhaps solidifying the theory that Catalyst could indeed be Harbinger.


How do you know it's Harbinger? I could only tell it was a reaper. I also think I would notice the front leg being missing if it was Harbinger. :blush:


Compare:

Original

EC

Yet later:


And still:

"They became the first true Reaper."


I can't tell for the first 3 but the last one is definitley not Harbinger. You can clearly see the front leg on the Reaper is still attached.

(I was also right that THEY DID change/enhance the first reaper that hovers when talking to the Catalyst.)

The second one isn't Harby, like you said. But it is weird they enhanced the first.

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Blaster, why? Why did you have to advertise in the control ending thread? WHY?!

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estebanus wrote...

Blaster, why? Why did you have to advertise in the control ending thread? WHY?!


Did I kill it. Sorry.


I could start to do the unit the theorys together again, if you like.:D

Modifié par masster blaster, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:19 .


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Dwailing wrote...

We got closed again? Oh well. So, anyone have any predictions for the outcome of Overwatch? I'm hoping for success, but it would not surprise me if we failed. Here's hoping we DID beat them, though.

It was pretty funny http://social.biowar...2/2222#13414465

As for Overwatch, I think we won. I hope the missing MP mods are in a patch tomorrow. It's been 2 weeks... Posted Image

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Dwailing wrote...

We got closed again? Oh well. So, anyone have any predictions for the outcome of Overwatch? I'm hoping for success, but it would not surprise me if we failed. Here's hoping we DID beat them, though.

We could've failed. Even I and my fearless squadmates participated in Silver challenges. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 30 juillet 2012 - 10:20 .


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estebanus wrote...

Blaster, why? Why did you have to advertise in the control ending thread? WHY?!

Hey Estebanus. Did you see the end of the old thread? Now we have something else in common; we both shut down an IT thread! xD

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Ahahaha. Haven't even caught up with the end of Mark II and... wow. Man.

Really.