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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Cornflakes beware, Kai Leng is on the prowl!

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spotlessvoid wrote...

" cereal killer"
Lol

2x LOL. Reminds me of Heavy Rain. Posted Image

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Andromidius wrote...

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If only EA didn't have tight deadlines that suck? Yeah...Posted Image

Good to see you.


Mmm.  Some of those things wouldn't have been more time consuming then others.  I think they just had a really poor test audience who were demanding more clitchés.

The fact Kai Leng was originally going to be COMPETANT shocks me.  I wanted a real nemesis, an anti-Shepard.  Instead I got a joke cereal killer.

Oh, and hai.

LOL and wait, what do you mean he was going to be competent?

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Wait, Ilos is the reaper IFF?

Edit: Oh, he mentioned this in the video right after I saw it. Well, I saw it before he showed it! Posted Image

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Andromidius wrote...

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Hey it's possible the derelict reaper wasn't actually dead, only disabled. Unable to move or signal for help.


I assumed that too.  The fact the 'core' is still active and it continues to actively indoctrinate suggests that also.  It makes sense as well, it may have been abandoned after being crippled and used as a honeytrap.


yes that is possible but I wanted to take a fresh interpretation for the derelict reaper.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...
LOL and wait, what do you mean he was going to be competent?


In the leaked script, Kai Leng made fewer apperences and actually displayed an ability to fight and wasn't a cocky pile of crap.  Not to mention there was another Cerberus leader (General something) who was TIM's second in command.

Lots of stuff was cut.  Including the ability to kill off Allers.

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Given that Leviathan hasn't even been out 3 full weeks, I don't expect an official announcement for the next SP DLC just yet. Mike Gamble will be at NYCC in October, so perhaps then? I do hope we get some MP DLC in the meantime. With Borderlands 2 dropping this week, I'm about ready to move on, barring weekend ops, of course. Oh yeah, and a patch with the missing Earth DLC mods would be nice. :whistle:

Also, great vid prettz!


What? I don't believe you are going to be honest. I thought I could, but this thread keeps calling me back. Maybe it's because of the people I have meet on this thread, or I still believe in IT.

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I know it's hard to process, but what if the Reapers are the Leviathans creators. What if they were the once to cause this cycle to happen. The Reapers built the Leviathans to find a new evolution for them to go into. Thus why Synthesis is what the Reapers came up with. You see the Leviathans are the proto REAPER, of their next evolution. In other words that is why we see the Leviathans as part Organics, and part Synthetic. Then the Reapers implanted them selves with Organic DNA/ Genetic material, but somethings was missing.

Human Genetic Material. You see once the Reapers were done with their evolution they had no use for the Leviathans any more, so they were going to pull the plug on the Leviathans, but the Organics striked first. And once the Reapers defeated the Leviathans, their numbers were to few, and that's when they created more Organic's, so that They could make more of them, and find the solution to their problem, but they needed the Organics to evolve first, and follow their paths/test they wanted the Organics to do.

That could be why the Reapers say " You can not  comprehend our existents."


What do you think of this Banshee?

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masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Given that Leviathan hasn't even been out 3 full weeks, I don't expect an official announcement for the next SP DLC just yet. Mike Gamble will be at NYCC in October, so perhaps then? I do hope we get some MP DLC in the meantime. With Borderlands 2 dropping this week, I'm about ready to move on, barring weekend ops, of course. Oh yeah, and a patch with the missing Earth DLC mods would be nice. :whistle:

Also, great vid prettz!


What? I don't believe you are going to be honest. I thought I could, but this thread keeps calling me back. Maybe it's because of the people I have meet on this thread, or I still believe in IT.

I just hope Bioware does something. So do all the other fans. It's suicide not to. And EA will probably let them go too. Please Bioware, save us by saving yourselves.

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masster blaster wrote...

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I know it's hard to process, but what if the Reapers are the Leviathans creators. What if they were the once to cause this cycle to happen. The Reapers built the Leviathans to find a new evolution for them to go into. Thus why Synthesis is what the Reapers came up with. You see the Leviathans are the proto REAPER, of their next evolution. In other words that is why we see the Leviathans as part Organics, and part Synthetic. Then the Reapers implanted them selves with Organic DNA/ Genetic material, but somethings was missing.

Human Genetic Material. You see once the Reapers were done with their evolution they had no use for the Leviathans any more, so they were going to pull the plug on the Leviathans, but the Organics striked first. And once the Reapers defeated the Leviathans, their numbers were to few, and that's when they created more Organic's, so that They could make more of them, and find the solution to their problem, but they needed the Organics to evolve first, and follow their paths/test they wanted the Organics to do.

That could be why the Reapers say " You can not  comprehend our existents."


What do you think of this Banshee?

Well, by definition, synthetics are created. The rest is interesting, but I think it's closer to fan fiction than a theory. Posted Image

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You know. Mass Effect really knows how to creep the hell out of me.

Or at least the videos about ME do. Someone knows how to edit in lots of tension!

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masster blaster wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Given that Leviathan hasn't even been out 3 full weeks, I don't expect an official announcement for the next SP DLC just yet. Mike Gamble will be at NYCC in October, so perhaps then? I do hope we get some MP DLC in the meantime. With Borderlands 2 dropping this week, I'm about ready to move on, barring weekend ops, of course. Oh yeah, and a patch with the missing Earth DLC mods would be nice. :whistle:

Also, great vid prettz!


What? I don't believe you are going to be honest. I thought I could, but this thread keeps calling me back. Maybe it's because of the people I have meet on this thread, or I still believe in IT.


From playing ME3 MP regularly, not this thread. Fear not, masster. ;) I think it's pretty safe to say I have more than enough credits banked for the next DLC at this point. :lol:

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 16 septembre 2012 - 04:17 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I know it's hard to process, but what if the Reapers are the Leviathans creators. What if they were the once to cause this cycle to happen. The Reapers built the Leviathans to find a new evolution for them to go into. Thus why Synthesis is what the Reapers came up with. You see the Leviathans are the proto REAPER, of their next evolution. In other words that is why we see the Leviathans as part Organics, and part Synthetic. Then the Reapers implanted them selves with Organic DNA/ Genetic material, but somethings was missing.

Human Genetic Material. You see once the Reapers were done with their evolution they had no use for the Leviathans any more, so they were going to pull the plug on the Leviathans, but the Organics striked first. And once the Reapers defeated the Leviathans, their numbers were to few, and that's when they created more Organic's, so that They could make more of them, and find the solution to their problem, but they needed the Organics to evolve first, and follow their paths/test they wanted the Organics to do.

That could be why the Reapers say " You can not  comprehend our existents."


What do you think of this Banshee?

Well, by definition, synthetics are created. The rest is interesting, but I think it's closer to fan fiction than a theory. Posted Image


I figurd as much, but hey if that is were Bioware is going, then I will be happy with that. Organics are the created, and the Synthetics are the Creators good twist. I have never seen that happen at all.

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Object Rho does look A LOT like the conduit in ME3. I believe there was even a datapad about it saying that people who went near it never came back the same...

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Object Rho does look A LOT like the conduit in ME3. I believe there was even a datapad about it saying that people who went near it never came back the same...


You mean that data pad that you find at the FOB and That person killed himself because he went crazy. When he when near the Conduit.


Edit: Banshee how is your brother doing, and how is your wall of text coming?

Modifié par masster blaster, 16 septembre 2012 - 04:19 .


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masster blaster wrote...

That was awesome. Nice work Prettz.


thank you:D


Dendio1 wrote...


Hey you put alot of work into this. Thanks for that. Once again the community comes through with quality stuff.

Also you guys should give this man cookies

Well I always try to make it entertaining, hard for me to tell at a end of a project since I've seen it 100 of times.

paxxton wrote...

I saw your video, prettz. Awesome as always. You made a tremendous effort to make it and it's very interesting. LOL'd at what you did to Liara. Nice work with the Derelict Reaper and the shadows in the shuttle in Vancouver.

thanks, it did take some time cause I'm always experimenting. :lol: and the vid whent 49 minits long :o glade you enjoyed the funny parts, I had to go over so much info (and I tend to show things 2 or 3 times to sink in) did not have much for space for funny. hope you saw the thing after the credits.

wander if anyone will get my Shenmue Easter egg.:devil:

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masster blaster wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Object Rho does look A LOT like the conduit in ME3. I believe there was even a datapad about it saying that people who went near it never came back the same...


You mean that data pad that you find at the FOB and That person killed himself because he went crazy. When he when near the Conduit.


Edit: Banshee how is your brother doing, and how is your wall of text coming?

He is doing fine. He's getting info from me about the thread, so he isn't posting as much. I am almost done my wall of text, but I would like some suggestions for what to say about closure.

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Ok finished the vid. I loved it. Great editing, funny, interesting and spooky at times. Well done going between all three games...seriously some fine detective work.

Can't wait for part 2!

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Sure, Reaper Shepard got slightly annoyed. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 16 septembre 2012 - 04:32 .


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I'm gonna go to bed. See you all later. Post suggestions about closure and the EC for me.

Edit: Oh, page 900! Cool. Posted Image

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I wish I could Banshee, but I am no use right now. I don't even think I will be able to come on this thread, until next Friday so show me the Text next Friday. If I am not here tomorrow.

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So the dreams:

Throughout the 3 dreams the voices start up, get louder, then become comprehensible

The reaper noise occurs every time shepard nears the kid, and red color flashes, then later sticks to the terrain
The shadows materialize, chase the kid ignoring shepard, then eventually create a clear path for shepard to follow the kid.
The kid eventually runs and embraces another shepard, then smiles and gets immolated alongside shepard

Why is the kid running from shepard?
Why does is shepard emit the reaper sound and trademark red light?( though both seem to focus on the kid rather than shepard, who looks like hes unable to see what the kid is seeing).

Why does shepard getting to the kid burn him?
Why does the kid find another shepard, and look happy while both of them burn?
Why isn't the other shep fearful of regular shep?

Ok...for the sake of arguement lets assume shepard is (unknowingly) the reaper in the dream.

This explains why the kid runs, the lights and the noise
This also explains why shepard never see's where the light is coming from.

The voices materialize into dead squadmates voicing their confidence or saying important lines.
I'd expect something else if this was indoctrination, something more obvious

the shadows seem to want to aid shepard, no doubt about it

Kid runs until he finds another shepard who smiles at shepard who plays the reaper, kid smiles and both burn...so the thought is this is shepards acceptance overpowering his will to oppose (kids running)

This still seems like a stretch because after the dreams, there is nothing that follows up on this stuff. Its like it exists in a bubble..

Modifié par Dendio1, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:08 .


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@Prettz: Great video! Got me thinking why is it that the one thing that ReaperBieber the Starbinger uses as an arguement against Shepard's assertion that there is a war, just happens to be one of the main images from the dreams? And people really can't seem to see the suspect connections between the dreams and ReaperBieber...

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I feel the same way about anything from arrival. Its very obviously set around indoctrination.
Object rho speaks very plainly about his intent with shepard.
The connection between visions before and after allowing time to run out
Shepard very randomly waking up from his stupor because the sedatives were weak
( though something similar happened in the beginning of me2 during project lazerus)


But all that stuff is in a bubble, is never referred to in me3 and even has some cover story where shepard wasn't there..

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Ah well, interesting vid that provoked some critical thoughts great job

Also loved the fly cam with star kids point of view

edit: /900th page ballon

Modifié par Dendio1, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:15 .