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[gunslinger_ruiz]

Oh hey 900, grats everyone. Now lets get to 2200 something again /salute.

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Prettz: Great video! Got me thinking why is it that the one thing that ReaperBieber the Starbinger uses as an arguement against Shepard's assertion that there is a war, just happens to be one of the main images from the dreams? And people really can't seem to see the suspect connections between the dreams and ReaperBieber...

Two things...first, I don't want the idea from this previous post to get lost.

Second, a simple update to remind all (Bioware, IT naysayers, and our humble community here)...the running total for IT Theory pages now sits at 5409...that's only 91 pages from 5500.  Let's keep this train rolling!

[spotlessvoid]

Fantastic video prettz.

[Dendio1]

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Prettz: Great video! Got me thinking why is it that the one thing that ReaperBieber the Starbinger uses as an arguement against Shepard's assertion that there is a war, just happens to be one of the main images from the dreams? And people really can't seem to see the suspect connections between the dreams and ReaperBieber...

Two things...first, I don't want the idea from this previous post to get lost.

Second, a simple update to remind all (Bioware, IT naysayers, and our humble community here)...the running total for IT Theory pages now sits at 5409...that's only 91 pages from 5500.  Let's keep this train rolling!

its really hard to read that earlier post, bieber fever took over his message. What is he saying? something connected between the dream and starkids assertion that there is no war, only the harvest?

[Peytl]

Restrider wrote...

Peytl wrote...

There I thought this means the AI = Catalyst. at 2:15 and on
I guess I thought wrong…

The Vendetta VI states that the Citadel is the Catalyst. This kind of makes sense, since the Citadel could be used as some kind of amplifier (as seen later in the endings). 
The AI, which is pretty sure the AI the Leviathans created, on the other hand says that it is the Catalyst and the Citadel is only part of him. But the AI outdates the Citadel, since the Citadel was created by the Reapers along with the Relays.
There is no external confirmation that the AI is the Catalyst.
In any case, if taken literally the actions of the AI are not reasonable. Why does it elevate Shepard  to the decision chamber? The harvest would just go on, as it does in Refuse.
So we can assume the AI wants something specific from Shepard. Preferably Synthesis, but why show Shepard even the other options? I doubt that the AI would risk total anihilation by offering Destroy.
I don't know, if taken literal or even IT Con do not seem very plausible in regard of the AI.

Furthermore it is still not certain, if the Citadel is the Catalyst, since the Vendetta VI could've been tampered by Cerberus, but this remains mere speculation.

The other part of the AI are Reapers. The AI itself states the Crucible has changed him.
You should bear in mind BW most probably didn't know how ME would end when ME1 was out (they even wanted Javik to be Catalyst).The main ME writer Karpyshyn left the company and ME changed the course.

[D.Sharrah]

Dendio1 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Prettz: Great video! Got me thinking why is it that the one thing that ReaperBieber the Starbinger uses as an arguement against Shepard's assertion that there is a war, just happens to be one of the main images from the dreams? And people really can't seem to see the suspect connections between the dreams and ReaperBieber...

Two things...first, I don't want the idea from this previous post to get lost.

Second, a simple update to remind all (Bioware, IT naysayers, and our humble community here)...the running total for IT Theory pages now sits at 5409...that's only 91 pages from 5500.  Let's keep this train rolling!

its really hard to read that earlier post, bieber fever took over his message. What is he saying? something connected between the dream and starkids assertion that there is no war, only the harvest?

Essentially the starkid is saying that his solution was the cycle - meant to prevent war and Shep says, "Were at war now!"  Which Starkid replies to by saying, "Is a fire at war?"  Go back to the dreams and what is the image that is assoiciated with the kid...that's right fire...ahhhhhh, yeah, no connections there....

Edit:  For spelling and grammer.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[masster blaster]

Good night everyone see you either tomorrow, or next Friday.

[Bill Casey]

When fire burns, is it at war?

[Iconoclaste]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Essentially the starkid is saying that his solution was the cycle - meant to prevent war and Shep says, "Were at war now!"  Which Starkid replies to by saying, "Is a fire at war?"  Go back to the dreams and what is the image that is assoiciated with the kid...that's right fire...ahhhhhh, yeah, no connections there....

So, let's admit there is some "connection" between ... whatever you propose. What do you say the meaning of this "connection" is?

[D.Sharrah]

Bill Casey wrote...

When fire burns, is it at war?

Is it at war when it burns little kids in dreams?  Yes, I think so.

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 16 septembre 2012 - 06:03 .

[D.Sharrah]

Iconoclaste wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Essentially the starkid is saying that his solution was the cycle - meant to prevent war and Shep says, "Were at war now!"  Which Starkid replies to by saying, "Is a fire at war?"  Go back to the dreams and what is the image that is assoiciated with the kid...that's right fire...ahhhhhh, yeah, no connections there....

So, let's admit there is some "connection" between ... whatever you propose. What do you say the meaning of this "connection" is?

Well at the very least that ReaperBieber has playing around inside Shep's head...and given the lore set in the series, there are three options:

1. Thorian - a nope, its dead.
2. Reapers via Indoctrination - a very strong possibility, considering all of the other evidence...
3. Leviathans - a possibility, but I would say we have too little information as of yet on them to determine if they are responsible.

So...which do you think it is?

[prettz]

D.Sharrah wrote...


Essentially the starkid is saying that his solution was the cycle - meant to prevent war and Shep says, "Were at war now!"  Which Starkid replies to by saying, "Is a fire at war?"  Go back to the dreams and what is the image that is assoiciated with the kid...that's right fire...ahhhhhh, yeah, no connections there....

Edit:  For spelling and grammer.

I always think this, if the Reapers are like fire then Starchild is the Arsonist. If some one try's to light me on fire I'm going to put it out with water and HUMANITY WILL BE THAT WATER:wizard:

sorry got chought up their for a moment.  I'm beat got no sleep last night getting the vid ready:pinched: going to get some sleep then when I get up I'm playing some black mesa<3

[Iconoclaste]

I think the comparison the Catalyst makes with fire is to show there is no "bad, warlike intent" in the Reaping process, it's just a "consequence" perceived by reaped organics because they don't understand the process. Their resistance is futile, they fumble in their ignorance.

[plfranke]

So there's a line where Shepard is talking about the Citadel being the catalyst. Shepard says, (these are not direct quotes just the general meaning) I thought the Citadel was built by the Reapers. So we turn their own technology against them.

We've been shown several times throughout the series, that you cannot turn the Reapers' technology against them. The Crucible is a trap, no doubt.

[Iconoclaste]

prettz wrote...  ( ... )

By the way, I watched your video. Nice job, lots of humor in there, I liked that (the music) ! But I will not comment because there is lots of things to discuss and you're tired. Good night.  

[D.Sharrah]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I think the comparison the Catalyst makes with fire is to show there is no "bad, warlike intent" in the Reaping process, it's just a "consequence" perceived by reaped organics because they don't understand the process. Their resistance is futile, they fumble in their ignorance.

Yes, that is a very good summary of exactly what a Reaper would say about the statement...and entirely missing the point that the one example that he uses is the very image that we are barraged with in the dreams.  And considering the last dream shows Shep embracing the kid and "enjoying" the warmth of the fire as well - is pretty suggestive to me, as if saying, "Fire (reaping) is not a bad thing, you should just let it happen."

[D.Sharrah]

prettz wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...


Essentially the starkid is saying that his solution was the cycle - meant to prevent war and Shep says, "Were at war now!"  Which Starkid replies to by saying, "Is a fire at war?"  Go back to the dreams and what is the image that is assoiciated with the kid...that's right fire...ahhhhhh, yeah, no connections there....

Edit:  For spelling and grammer.

I always think this, if the Reapers are like fire then Starchild is the Arsonist. If some one try's to light me on fire I'm going to put it out with water and HUMANITY WILL BE THAT WATER:wizard:

sorry got chought up their for a moment.  I'm beat got no sleep last night getting the vid ready:pinched: going to get some sleep then when I get up I'm playing some black mesa<3

Get some rest  and feel better!

[D.Sharrah]

plfranke wrote...

So there's a line where Shepard is talking about the Citadel being the catalyst. Shepard says, (these are not direct quotes just the general meaning) I thought the Citadel was built by the Reapers. So we turn their own technology against them.

We've been shown several times throughout the series, that you cannot turn the Reapers' technology against them. The Crucible is a trap, no doubt.

Not entirely convinced of this...after all Thanix Cannons are reversed egineered from Sovereign's lasers and they have proven to be pretty useful.

[Arian Dynas]

Heya folks, what have I been missing while slaving away in the new collegiate semester?

[D.Sharrah]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Heya folks, what have I been missing while slaving away in the new collegiate semester?

Prettz linked a video he made a few pages back...teaser pic for SP DLC at Montreal CC linked a few pages back...discussion of Starkid's "fire" example as a connection to the dreams...I think that about covers the last 2 or 3 pages...

[D.Sharrah]

Apparently they teased SP DLC at Montreal

www.youtube.com/watch

Here are the links.

[Dendio1]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Prettz: Great video! Got me thinking why is it that the one thing that ReaperBieber the Starbinger uses as an arguement against Shepard's assertion that there is a war, just happens to be one of the main images from the dreams? And people really can't seem to see the suspect connections between the dreams and ReaperBieber...

Two things...first, I don't want the idea from this previous post to get lost.

Second, a simple update to remind all (Bioware, IT naysayers, and our humble community here)...the running total for IT Theory pages now sits at 5409...that's only 91 pages from 5500.  Let's keep this train rolling!

its really hard to read that earlier post, bieber fever took over his message. What is he saying? something connected between the dream and starkids assertion that there is no war, only the harvest?

Essentially the starkid is saying that his solution was the cycle - meant to prevent war and Shep says, "Were at war now!"  Which Starkid replies to by saying, "Is a fire at war?"  Go back to the dreams and what is the image that is assoiciated with the kid...that's right fire...ahhhhhh, yeah, no connections there....

Edit:  For spelling and grammer.

Could be coincidence, but a good correlation nontheless

[D.Sharrah]

Dendio1 wrote...

snip...

Could be coincidence, but a good correlation nontheless

They sure seemed to put a lot of those coincidences in the game...

[D.Sharrah]

Gotta go get some sleep myself...keep the pages ticking away...I want to have to do some serious catching up in the morning!

[Iconoclaste]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

I think the comparison the Catalyst makes with fire is to show there is no "bad, warlike intent" in the Reaping process, it's just a "consequence" perceived by reaped organics because they don't understand the process. Their resistance is futile, they fumble in their ignorance.

Yes, that is a very good summary of exactly what a Reaper would say about the statement...and entirely missing the point that the one example that he uses is the very image that we are barraged with in the dreams.  And considering the last dream shows Shep embracing the kid and "enjoying" the warmth of the fire as well - is pretty suggestive to me, as if saying, "Fire (reaping) is not a bad thing, you should just let it happen."

I have no problem at all with this interpretation. In fact, I only have problem with the proposal that Shepard may only think / dream those thoughts / dreams because some other entity dictates them (totally or partially) to his mind. Saren wasn't under constant "mind remote guidance" from Sovereign and still managed to do a lot of harm just by himself, being "sold" to Sovereign's objectives. The dreams only resulting from stress endured are, in a "literal" way, caused by the Reapers actions witnessed by Shepard, thus a "Reaper" intervention on his mind while sleeping would be redundant, and since they do not show the "positive" aspect of "siding with Reapers", I doubt Shepard could be convinced to side with them at any time before the very end, which can't really be foreseen by the Reapers when the dreams happen. Unless... they already knew what the Crucible would offer later.