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[Lokanaiya]

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

lol even when masster blasster's posts make sense I still can't take them seriously

Erm, why?

Hey Loka. How is school going? Also it's good to see you again.

Nice to see you too. And it's going pretty good, aside from the mounds of homework. I'm taking a break from it right now, but I'm going to have to get back to it soon. You?

Same, but minus the Homework.

Lucky. <_<

Edit: Top!

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 17 septembre 2012 - 12:41 .

[WhiteKnyght]

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

[masster blaster]

Lokanaiya wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

lol even when masster blasster's posts make sense I still can't take them seriously

Erm, why?

Hey Loka. How is school going? Also it's good to see you again.

Nice to see you too. And it's going pretty good, aside from the mounds of homework. I'm taking a break from it right now, but I'm going to have to get back to it soon. You?

Same, but minus the Homework.

Lucky. <_<

Edit: Top!

Things will turn up. Also gratz on getting top page.

[Lokanaiya]

..... This again?

Edit: Aimed at the Grey Nayr

Modifié par Lokanaiya, 17 septembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[masster blaster]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

Thus brings the 4th wall. The player. And that is what Bioware/the Reapers Indoctrinating us, and Shepard.

[GethPrimeMKII]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

I'm sorry but that explanation in bold is just plain terrible. 

[masster blaster]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

I'm sorry but that explanation in bold is just plain terrible. 

Not really. You see if that's the case, then Bioware/the Reapers is going after the player, and Shepard. " The Perfect Illusion." The endings are because most people are taking the endings as they are, which means " Their plan worked. Yet some people cought on to what was happening, and here we are now.

Modifié par masster blaster, 17 septembre 2012 - 01:00 .

[WhiteKnyght]

masster blaster wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

Thus brings the 4th wall. The player. And that is what Bioware/the Reapers Indoctrinating us, and Shepard.

Well its technically true that Shepard could never be indoctrinated because he has no mind of his own. He's our avatar, and we're kind of out of the Reapers' reach.

In any case, my previous comments are true as well. Not every little thing is automatically indoctrination. And all "evidence" presented is circumstantial(and symptoms of stress/guilt, things Shep is confirmed to be going through in the game) and without actual confirmation, remains just a theory. Yet some people act like it is undisputable fact.

The biggest reason not to believe the theory is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It devalues 90 hours of playtime even more than a less-than-satisfactory ending does because it leaves you with no conclusion or closure at all. And ME has been planned as a trilogy from the start. No ME4. And they've stated that they aren't adding any more to the ending.

Using arguments like "they've lied before" and taking shots at quotes the writers make on forums, twitter, conventions, etc doesn't do much to help the position.(Could work the opposite and make them reveal indoctrinating Shepard as impossible in the next DLC out of spite.)

I'm not trying to be mean. But that's just how it is. People are free to believe the theory, so long as they acknowledge that it is just a theory, not proven fact. Factually, there is no more to prove IT than there is to prove that Elvis is still alive.

In any case, that's my two cents. Do with it what you will.

[D.Sharrah]

Just a thought exercise but it could be fun...when exploring the depths of IT and the fit of paranoia has grasped ahold of you, what is the craziest theory that has popped into your head?

I ask because this happened to me last night and I was thinking of Prettz's video...and the implications that it created (both intended and unintended). At some point as I was tumbling further down the rabbit hole - some of the thoughts about the whole game being a dream kept popping into my head. Never gave them much credence before...but last night I found myself thinking that it was possible. And I was even starting to "find" evidence to support it...like how they were parts of the game that just didn't add up and circular logic...and then it hit me, what if ME 3 is supposed to be Shep caught in an internal dream loop of some kind. And as we get more information (from DLC) we get closer and closer to breaking the loop and waking up.

Again, I fully admit that the above is probably nothing more than paranoid fueled ramblings...but didn't Bioware say that they wanted the player to feel what Shep feels...and at some point during the game I would think that it would be reasonable to assume that Shep has felt confused, lost, paranoid, angry, hopeful, etc...the funny thing is that much can be said about how I have experienced ME 3 myself. And I am curious to see how many others feel the same way...

[D.Sharrah]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

snip...

Well its technically true that Shepard could never be indoctrinated because he has no mind of his own. He's our avatar, and we're kind of out of the Reapers' reach.

In any case, my previous comments are true as well. Not every little thing is automatically indoctrination. And all "evidence" presented is circumstantial(and symptoms of stress/guilt, things Shep is confirmed to be going through in the game) and without actual confirmation, remains just a theory. Yet some people act like it is undisputable fact.

The biggest reason not to believe the theory is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It devalues 90 hours of playtime even more than a less-than-satisfactory ending does because it leaves you with no conclusion or closure at all. And ME has been planned as a trilogy from the start. No ME4. And they've stated that they aren't adding any more to the ending.

Using arguments like "they've lied before" and taking shots at quotes the writers make on forums, twitter, conventions, etc doesn't do much to help the position.(Could work the opposite and make them reveal indoctrinating Shepard as impossible in the next DLC out of spite.)

I'm not trying to be mean. But that's just how it is. People are free to believe the theory, so long as they acknowledge that it is just a theory, not proven fact. Factually, there is no more to prove IT than there is to prove that Elvis is still alive.

In any case, that's my two cents. Do with it what you will.

Fair enough.  As long as you are willing to agree that there is no evidence (in-game or otherwise) that disproves the theory either.  I am perfectly happy to simply agree to disagree over the interpetation of what is presented.

Edit: And to be fair, if you spend any amount of time here you start to realize just how hard we are on the "evidence" for IT.  We don't just see something and accept it, but we typically discuss it to death - and sometimes it leads to us "throwing out" a piece of "evidence".

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 17 septembre 2012 - 01:16 .

[masster blaster]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

Thus brings the 4th wall. The player. And that is what Bioware/the Reapers Indoctrinating us, and Shepard.

Well its technically true that Shepard could never be indoctrinated because he has no mind of his own. He's our avatar, and we're kind of out of the Reapers' reach.

In any case, my previous comments are true as well. Not every little thing is automatically indoctrination. And all "evidence" presented is circumstantial(and symptoms of stress/guilt, things Shep is confirmed to be going through in the game) and without actual confirmation, remains just a theory. Yet some people act like it is undisputable fact.

The biggest reason not to believe the theory is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It devalues 90 hours of playtime even more than a less-than-satisfactory ending does because it leaves you with no conclusion or closure at all. And ME has been planned as a trilogy from the start. No ME4. And they've stated that they aren't adding any more to the ending.

Using arguments like "they've lied before" and taking shots at quotes the writers make on forums, twitter, conventions, etc doesn't do much to help the position.(Could work the opposite and make them reveal indoctrinating Shepard as impossible in the next DLC out of spite.)

I'm not trying to be mean. But that's just how it is. People are free to believe the theory, so long as they acknowledge that it is just a theory, not proven fact. Factually, there is no more to prove IT than there is to prove that Elvis is still alive.

In any case, that's my two cents. Do with it what you will.

But yet theorys have been proven right in the past am I right. So maybe IT can, or another theory. Either way it's up to bioware, but I want Casey to come out and go to conventions because He need's to. Mike has been taking the heat, while Casey hasn't, and it's getting to Mike.

Then again Casey could be working on an Sp DLC, or something else we don't know yet.

Edit: I agree D.Sharrah.

Modifié par masster blaster, 17 septembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[WhiteKnyght]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Just a thought exercise but it could be fun...when exploring the depths of IT and the fit of paranoia has grasped ahold of you, what is the craziest theory that has popped into your head?

I ask because this happened to me last night and I was thinking of Prettz's video...and the implications that it created (both intended and unintended). At some point as I was tumbling further down the rabbit hole - some of the thoughts about the whole game being a dream kept popping into my head. Never gave them much credence before...but last night I found myself thinking that it was possible. And I was even starting to "find" evidence to support it...like how they were parts of the game that just didn't add up and circular logic...and then it hit me, what if ME 3 is supposed to be Shep caught in an internal dream loop of some kind. And as we get more information (from DLC) we get closer and closer to breaking the loop and waking up.

Again, I fully admit that the above is probably nothing more than paranoid fueled ramblings...but didn't Bioware say that they wanted the player to feel what Shep feels...and at some point during the game I would think that it would be reasonable to assume that Shep has felt confused, lost, paranoid, angry, hopeful, etc...the funny thing is that much can be said about how I have experienced ME 3 myself. And I am curious to see how many others feel the same way...

My craziest theory is that the Reapers didn't build the Citadel, the Leviathan's did.

Reasons.

1. Leviathan said that the Intelligence ordered the reapers to build the Mass Relays . But no mention of the Citadel, even though that never ceases to be mentioned by those who believe the Reapers did build it.

2. The Reapers aren't able to remotely operate or control any function on the Citadel, despite it supposedly being their creation. They use the Keepers to do it. And without the Keepers responding to their signals, they had to take the long way back to the galaxy.

3. Prolonged exposure to Reaper tech usually results in indoctrination. Yet people have been exposed to the material that the Citadel is made of for thousands of years and aren't all drooling husks(figuratively speaking.) If they were, Saren wouldn't have needed to attack the Citadel, he could have just walked right up to the terminal and opened the dark space relay. The Mass Relays themselves, nobody gets in close proximity to, the ships stay next to them for like a second before being propelled hundreds of light years.

4. The Catalyst lives in the Citadel similarly to the way EDI lived in the Normandy during ME2. She didn't put her computer system into the Normandy, nor can she move it elsewhere. The Catalyst's AI core is probably somewhere in that chamber in the ending.

All suspicion though. Wont know anything for certain without dev confirmation.

[D.Sharrah]

Thanks Master...I tend to be pretty open minded. I was not an immediate believer of IT. But slowly the amount of evidence (regardless of how circumstantial) simply overwhelmed me. As much as ME matters to me, I can only imagine that it would matter more to its creators - and I can see no better tribute to the hard work and dedication that has gone into the series, than to believe in the complexity and depth of IT. To me it is a part of what being a fan of the universe is about...not that, that should dictate anyone else's personal experience.

[D.Sharrah]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

snip...

My craziest theory is that the Reapers didn't build the Citadel, the Leviathan's did.

Reasons.

1. Leviathan said that the Intelligence ordered the reapers to build the Mass Relays . But no mention of the Citadel, even though that never ceases to be mentioned by those who believe the Reapers did build it.

2. The Reapers aren't able to remotely operate or control any function on the Citadel, despite it supposedly being their creation. They use the Keepers to do it. And without the Keepers responding to their signals, they had to take the long way back to the galaxy.

3. Prolonged exposure to Reaper tech usually results in indoctrination. Yet people have been exposed to the material that the Citadel is made of for thousands of years and aren't all drooling husks(figuratively speaking.) If they were, Saren wouldn't have needed to attack the Citadel, he could have just walked right up to the terminal and opened the dark space relay. The Mass Relays themselves, nobody gets in close proximity to, the ships stay next to them for like a second before being propelled hundreds of light years.

4. The Catalyst lives in the Citadel similarly to the way EDI lived in the Normandy during ME2. She didn't put her computer system into the Normandy, nor can she move it elsewhere. The Catalyst's AI core is probably somewhere in that chamber in the ending.

All suspicion though. Wont know anything for certain without dev confirmation.

Nice.  I find it fascinating to learn what others think of the universe in general - so this is a great example!

[spotlessvoid]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

Yall can get mad at me, but this is ****ing retarded

[WhiteKnyght]

D.Sharrah wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

snip...

Well its technically true that Shepard could never be indoctrinated because he has no mind of his own. He's our avatar, and we're kind of out of the Reapers' reach.

In any case, my previous comments are true as well. Not every little thing is automatically indoctrination. And all "evidence" presented is circumstantial(and symptoms of stress/guilt, things Shep is confirmed to be going through in the game) and without actual confirmation, remains just a theory. Yet some people act like it is undisputable fact.

The biggest reason not to believe the theory is that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It devalues 90 hours of playtime even more than a less-than-satisfactory ending does because it leaves you with no conclusion or closure at all. And ME has been planned as a trilogy from the start. No ME4. And they've stated that they aren't adding any more to the ending.

Using arguments like "they've lied before" and taking shots at quotes the writers make on forums, twitter, conventions, etc doesn't do much to help the position.(Could work the opposite and make them reveal indoctrinating Shepard as impossible in the next DLC out of spite.)

I'm not trying to be mean. But that's just how it is. People are free to believe the theory, so long as they acknowledge that it is just a theory, not proven fact. Factually, there is no more to prove IT than there is to prove that Elvis is still alive.

In any case, that's my two cents. Do with it what you will.

Fair enough.  As long as you are willing to agree that there is no evidence (in-game or otherwise) that disproves the theory either.  I am perfectly happy to simply agree to disagree over the interpetation of what is presented.

Edit: And to be fair, if you spend any amount of time here you start to realize just how hard we are on the "evidence" for IT.  We don't just see something and accept it, but we typically discuss it to death - and sometimes it leads to us "throwing out" a piece of "evidence".

Well there are parts of the game which take shots at the largest circumstances noted by the theory. Leviathan did a pretty good job by revealing the existence of the Catalyst and confirming his story(along with more details he didn't apparently want you to know about.)

But that could just mean that just those specific circumstances aren't valid.

[Lokanaiya]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

niravital wrote...

What got to me the most in Prettz Zell's new IT vid was the losing video on Arrival if the clock went to zero.

So basically you do nothing, let the Reapers come, and have a vision just like the other indoctrinated people there.
YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED.

great vid btw Prettz

Or it just means Shepard is lazy or quit caring.

Also the headaches are stress induced. Joker even points out that Shep his suit's metabolic scans show he's under more stress in ME3 than he was during the Skyllian Blitz.

The nightmares he has are guilt and fear induced. He's dreaming of the dead, because he feels their blood is on his hands, and he's afraid of failure. Proof of the latter his how depressed he is after Thessia.



The only way I see Shepard as "indoctrinated" is that he is the thrall of the player.

The Reapers will never control him because he's already controlled by someone else, us.

Yall can get mad at me, but this is ****ing retarded

Maybe, but it's not worth getting into a fight about.

[plfranke]

Lokanaiya wrote...

plfranke wrote...

lol even when masster blasster's posts make sense I still can't take them seriously

Erm, why?

The way he words them. It almost seems like he was reciting it before he wrote it. Idk the dude just cracks me up when he posts.

[masster blaster]

I know it's hard to process, but what if the Reapers are the Leviathans creators. What if they were the once to cause this cycle to happen. The Reapers built the Leviathans to find a new evolution for them to go into. Thus why Synthesis is what the Reapers came up with. You see the Leviathans are the proto REAPER, of their next evolution. In other words that is why we see the Leviathans as part Organics, and part Synthetic. Then the Reapers implanted them selves with Organic DNA/ Genetic material, but somethings was missing.

Human Genetic Material. You see once the Reapers were done with their evolution they had no use for the Leviathans any more, so they were going to pull the plug on the Leviathans, but the Organics striked first. And once the Reapers defeated the Leviathans, their numbers were to few, and that's when they created more Organic's, so that They could make more of them, and find the solution to their problem, but they needed the Organics to evolve first, and follow their paths/test they wanted the Organics to do.

That could be why the Reapers say " You can not comprehend our existences."

Now this is a crazier theory than any of your theory's ( I don't mean IT)

Modifié par masster blaster, 17 septembre 2012 - 01:30 .

[spotlessvoid]

We are free to not think it's just a theory too. "so long as they acknowledge blahblah" Who said we need to meet YOUR criteria? You're free to believe your literal interpretation crap

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 septembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[D.Sharrah]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

snip...

Well there are parts of the game which take shots at the largest circumstances noted by the theory. Leviathan did a pretty good job by revealing the existence of the Catalyst and confirming his story(along with more details he didn't apparently want you to know about.)

But that could just mean that just those specific circumstances aren't valid.

True that Leviathan confirms the existence of an AI created to solve conflict between organics and synthetics...but this is hinted at by the Prothean VI as well, so its not really new.  And there is nothing in game that confirms that the "catalyst" (especially as is presented in game) is that AI.  It very well could be, and in all likelihood is...but nothing about the AI's existence disproves the possibility of an indoctrination attempt.

[D.Sharrah]

masster blaster wrote...

snip...

Now this is a crazier theory than any of your theory's ( I don't mean IT)

True.  Don't think that there is more to be said...

[spotlessvoid]

I'm out

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 17 septembre 2012 - 01:36 .

[masster blaster]

D.Sharrah wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

snip...

Now this is a crazier theory than any of your theory's ( I don't mean IT)

True.  Don't think that there is more to be said...

I could go into more details but I will spare you the details.

[D.Sharrah]

@Spotless: Nah...not mad at you. What would be the point?