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[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno, every single one of your posts is screaming with the subtext of "Try to convince me, please!", but that isnt going to happen. I've already made it clear that it doesnt matter to me who believes what... I wish it were as easy as "explaining it", but it's not.

While I'm intrigued by your post on fake MP, I don't think saying that you don't care about what people think about it is a way to go if you want to find supporters.

I dont want to find supporters. What is this, a political campaign? 

[paxxton]

Dendio1 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Wha? But I saw him with my own eyes. Alive.

After Control?  Yeah, that's not Shepard.

Shepard is dead.  Very dead.

Ok, seriously though, not exactly the blood and flesh version but there's some resemblance. Shepyst is based on Shepard.

I like Shreaper better

Catashep

Controlo

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno, every single one of your posts is screaming with the subtext of "Try to convince me, please!", but that isnt going to happen. I've already made it clear that it doesnt matter to me who believes what... I wish it were as easy as "explaining it", but it's not.

While I'm intrigued by your post on fake MP, I don't think saying that you don't care about what people think about it is a way to go if you want to find supporters.

I dont want to find supporters. What is this, a political campaign? 

I didn't mean that. Perhaps everyone will be able to see what you have on mind when you are ready to reveal it.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno, every single one of your posts is screaming with the subtext of "Try to convince me, please!", but that isnt going to happen. I've already made it clear that it doesnt matter to me who believes what... I wish it were as easy as "explaining it", but it's not.

While I'm intrigued by your post on fake MP, I don't think saying that you don't care about what people think about it is a way to go if you want to find supporters.

I dont want to find supporters. What is this, a political campaign? 

I didn't mean that. Perhaps everyone will be able to see what you have on mind when you are ready to reveal it.

Hopefully.  I'm having a blast making the videos, and that is what matters to me. We should all be here because we're having fun, not because we're pissed off, sardonic, or melancholic. 

I do hope that everyone enjoys my videos and contributions, but if not, that's fine. I still have fun making them for my own entertainment and for the people that do enjoy them. 

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

Actually, if anything its not calling it fake at all. Its actually a way to explain how promoting characters contributes to your War Assets, and how 'Galactic Readiness' is improved via Multiplayer.

Hense I think its perfectly acceptable. Its not as crazy as saying 'its all a dream and space magic is what makes war assets improve'.

Edit: Not to mention it explains how Krogan, Asari, Salarian and Geth can all fight in the game unit together when its never seen anywhere else.

- So it being a simulation explains how promoting one guy helps the war more than a dreadnought covered in thanix cannons. Seems legit.
- That's just segregation of gameplay and storyline. Why didn't Cloud use a pheonix down on Aeris? Why don't the templars realize Hawke is not just a mage but a blood mage after he uses hemorrhage and blood control in front of them? Why does the Oculus' beam cannon rip open the Normandy like a hot knife through butter but Shepard can withstand it fine in battle?

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno, every single one of your posts is screaming with the subtext of "Try to convince me, please!", but that isnt going to happen. I've already made it clear that it doesnt matter to me who believes what... I wish it were as easy as "explaining it", but it's not.

While I'm intrigued by your post on fake MP, I don't think saying that you don't care about what people think about it is a way to go if you want to find supporters.

I dont want to find supporters. What is this, a political campaign?

Hellish, everyone single one of your posts is screaming with the subtext of "Look at me, look at me!", but... meh, I'm bored with this mockery already.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Rifneno, every single one of your posts is screaming with the subtext of "Try to convince me, please!", but that isnt going to happen. I've already made it clear that it doesnt matter to me who believes what... I wish it were as easy as "explaining it", but it's not.

While I'm intrigued by your post on fake MP, I don't think saying that you don't care about what people think about it is a way to go if you want to find supporters.

I dont want to find supporters. What is this, a political campaign? 

I didn't mean that. Perhaps everyone will be able to see what you have on mind when you are ready to reveal it.

Hopefully.  I'm having a blast making the videos, and that is what matters to me. We should all be here because we're having fun, not because we're pissed off, sardonic, or melancholic. 

I do hope that everyone enjoys my videos and contributions, but if not, that's fine. I still have fun making them for my own entertainment and for the people that do enjoy them. 

I really enjoyed CW Ep.1. Reminded me of ACAVYOS' video that brought me to IT.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

I really enjoyed CW Ep.1. Reminded me of ACAVYOS' video that brought me to IT.

Thanks! I drew a lot of inspiration from that video, as it was also what got me interested. 

[paxxton]

Damn, you demolished a pyramid in the works.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:28 .

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Damn, you demolished a pyramid in the works.

I am also available for commission to demolish constructions in minecraft, if anyone is interested. 

[spotlessvoid]

Hellish, I think your cryptic approach isn't giving us much to go on. I'm sure you have your reasons and although I respect you and your contributions a lot, that lack of elaboration is bound to create friction specifically because people respect your opinion. Rifneno is a honey badger, and as such he'll try to rip a limb off if crossed. I love him for it. His sarcasm makes my heart warm and fuzzy, even if he goes occasionally too far.

I hope someday you post a massive wall-o-text explaining your view, because a lot of us are interested.

[paxxton]

magnetite wrote...

Possible Synthesis foreshadowing (turn the volume down)

I assume "Reaper chow" is the synthetic paste that the people on the Collector Base were turned into to make the human Reaper. Or the other Reapers in ME3 (eg. Banshees, Marauders, Cannibals, Brutes...).

Reaper chow = munchies.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[prettz]

Hi HellishFiend, have you seen my new video?

[HellishFiend]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Hellish, I think your cryptic approach isn't giving us much to go on. I'm sure you have your reasons and although I respect you and your contributions a lot, that lack of elaboration is bound to create friction specifically because people respect your opinion. Rifneno is a honey badger, and as such he'll try to rip a limb off if crossed. I love him for it. His sarcasm makes my heart warm and fuzzy, even if he goes occasionally too far.

I hope someday you post a massive wall-o-text explaining your view, because a lot of us are interested.

I'm sorry, but that wall of text is not going to be forthcoming. I do hope that you will feel that the videos make up for it, though. The issues you cite are probably the main reason why I have not been making regular appearances in the thread as I once did. In fact, the main reason I broke that trend and made an appearance today was to give people some food for thought regarding MP, in light of Borderlands 2 being released tomorrow.

(once again, anyone may feel free to PM me if they want to contact me, as I am on BSN every day even if I'm not actively posting..)

I do apologize to anyone that feels put off by my lack of attention to detail or support in my posts. But I promise that I will make up for it with the videos if I possibly can. 

[HellishFiend]

prettz wrote...

Hi HellishFiend, have you seen my new video?

No, but I just checked your channel, and wow! 50 minutes! Cant wait to see what kind of content you put into that.  Thanks for pointing it out!

[prettz]

HellishFiend wrote...

prettz wrote...

Hi HellishFiend, have you seen my new video?

No, but I just checked your channel, and wow! 50 minutes! Cant wait to see what kind of content you put into that.  Thanks for pointing it out!

alright tell me what you think of it sometime

[WhiteKnyght]

Restrider wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
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This is something I'm really "comfortable" with, and if I remember well, some IT supporters on the 1st thread viewed the endings in a similar fashion.The IT "schisms" did not happen out of the blue! But what you propose doesn't call for the "upcoming Boss Battle" which most ITers remaining here now are hoping for, so you're bound to face the usual denial barrier even if what you propose includes some good part of "indoctrination".

I tried to propose a "solution" for the "All a dream" but I know it will get nowhere, because I believe the "core" of the ITers remaining are still hell-bent on this "final boss battle" that can only happen in hypothetic future DLC or game.

Well devs have already said they aren't adding any more to the ending. Besides the face-off with the Illusive Man is similar to a boss conflict anyway. It's just that TIM is a thinker, not a fighter. Beating his logic and outwitting him would be more difficult for Shepard than just having something to shoot at.

People like spotlessvoid over there(guy doesn't even get my name right. Grey is a title relating to the Grey Wardens, I'm more commonly known as Nayr) like any insecure person, hears somethig that contradicts or shakes his faith and his response is to get angry about it and make attacks. Then turn around and accuse their challenger of things. So I compared IT to Elvis, so what? It's feasibly possible that a super wealthy and connected man could fake his death and that coffin in Memphis could be empty. Unlikely, but possible.

Back to the subject at hand, the interpretation I just gave allows both interpretations, literal and theoretical, to coexist harmoniously. It also would make sense of the elaborately designed chamber and the fact that the Catalyst took the form of the dead child that Shepard has felt guilty over for the entire game.

It's also got a proof of concept given by the Geth consensus stage, and Leviathan, who pulled Shepard into the "dark and cold" realm that Hadley, the miners, and Ann Bryson talked about. Seeing as Reaper Indoctrination is a more refined version of the Leviathan's entrhallment(thralls don't have to stay in range of the object that indoctrinated them). But the fact that Leviathan was strong enough to usurp control of Reaper forces from the Reapers themselves suggests that the range refinement has a tradeoff and means the signal strength is weaker. Forgive me if I'm getting a little rambley in my post. Sharing what I know on some things make me consider other options and they are worth throwing into the big-pot-o-ideas.

This version of IT is partly plausible, still there are things missing.
For example the whole Normandy pick-up scene, the beam hit (Shepard not dying to it and "serve us"), the Citadel resembling past events, Andersons appearance on the Citadel, the ambiguity of dialogue, the abdominal wounds of Anderson/Shepard, Kaidan/Ash corpses, Major Coats' corpse...
You can explain it with bad writing or symbolism. But when you are already in the realm of letting symbolism into these sequences, who is to say that it is not even more than plain symbolism, but a whole other stage of reality. The whole shift in atmosphere happens after the beam hit, so I assume it is safe to say that throughout a theme you are at the same stage of reality/virtuality. Compare it to the sequence in the Geth Consensus. You had the boxed architecture, the increased gamma/brightness etc.

On a side note, I think Jessica Merizan stated that she had a playthrough, where the events after TIM/Anderson were IT to her.

Furthermore: Congrats to Bleeding Uranium (though I am not sure how a heavy metal can bleed).

Well a lot of people roleplay when they play games. I also have a friend who's an author and he told me he enjoys hearing differet people's interpretations on his stories. So I wouldn't be surprised if Merizan gave IT a try(gotta love how well that fits into the sentence.)

"serve us?" You mean the noise harbinger made when the beam hit Shep? I believe that was explained to be a sound effect when someone asked one of the devs. Harbinger's voice actor had no part in ME3, otherwise there would be some record of it(credits and everything are a b*tch, and IMDB has pretty thorough records of roles that people play.)

Also I didn't see Anderson on the push, so he was probably in one of the tanks, a couple of which were still intact. He probably was climbing out when Shepard walked into the conduit.

As for the abdominal wounds on Shepard, I think I saw Michael Gamble answer a question about that. He explained that Shepard had been badly hurt. Going by that, you would know that, he was lucky enough to survive being shot by a Reaper cannon(he arguably could have moved after the camera went to black, shields and armor keeping himself from being instantly incincerated ) and he did get shot by the Maurauder. Then the had a hard fall after the conduit spat him out in the citadel(that probably caused his abdominal bleeding, he was injured everywhere else and getting knocked around didn't help.)

The wound on Anderson is kinda obvious, The Illusive Man flaunted the fact that he can use Dominate(Morinth's biotic power in ME2, like AI hacking but for organics. TIM"s hand even gave off a biotic glow at that moment) and made him fire on Anderson.

As for comparing the ending to the Geth Consensus. The Reapers are a lot more advanced than the Geth, they could likely made a virtual interfact more coherent than Legion did(I think the devs were acting out a Tron fantasy with that level, personally. )

Also the atmosphere change had the low HP effect and the haze and slow moving looks a lot like when I person just wakes up and is drowsy. Shepard did just wake up from being inconscious and mortally wounded, but it cleared up the moment you reach the conduit and the cutscene started. And didn't come back. So that's more an argument over game mechanics than story.

The Citadel didn't resemble any past events that I saw. When Anderson said "This reminds me of your description of the Collector base" I didn't agree. But I believe what Anderson was referring too was the bloody mess(since people were being melted down into bloody goo in the CB,) not asthetic likeness, because the CB was like a giant hive.

I didn't see Kaidan and Ashley corpses. If I remember right, I saw some re-used graphics for the strewn about corpses which had similar palettes to Ash's old armor. As for Major Coats, that guy looks really generic. In any case, graphics re-use is quite common in games and movies. It's not really worth the time or budget to make every generic person look unique(like during the Ten Year Gathering in Dawn of the Seeker, the crowd was copypased over and over to make a dozen people look like a thousand.)

I hope that makes some sense to you.

And as a random insert, I'll throw in another wild idea I had.

If you took the Renegade option and shot TIM in the chest, there's a possible chance he could survive. After Shepard passes out or gets lifted away, he stops playing dead, he gives himself a dose of medi-gel and pulls through until Shep makes his choice. Destroy would probaly kill him like any other husk, Control would place him under the thrall of Shepard(I would so love to have that irony,) and Synthesis frees him from his indoctrination and he goes into hiding and rebuilds Cerberus.

[spotlessvoid]

Hellishfiend wrote...
I'm sorry,but that wall of text is not going to be forthcoming. I do hope that you will feel that the videos make up for it, though. The issues you cite are probably the main reason why I have not been making regular appearances in the thread as I once did. In fact, the main reason Ibroke that trend and made an appearance today was to give people some food for thought regarding MP, in light of Borderlands 2 being released tomorrow.

(once again, anyone may feel free to PM me if they want to contact me, as I am on BSN every day even if I'm not actively posting..)

Ido apologize to anyone that feels put off by my lack of attention to detail or support in my posts. But I promise that I will make up for it with the videos if I possibly can.

Fair enough. Taps foot impatiently. Is the video out yet? Lol

[Rifneno]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Harbinger's voice actor had no part in ME3, otherwise there would be some record of it(credits and everything are a b*tch, and IMDB has pretty thorough records of roles that people play.)

Swing and a miss. Keith Szarabajka, who voiced Harbinger in ME2 is cryptically listed in ME3 as "additional voices".

Could you at least put some effort into checking your facts? That'd be great, thanks.

Also I didn't see Anderson on the push, so he was probably in one of the tanks, a couple of which were still intact. He probably was climbing out when Shepard walked into the conduit.

WTF? Have you even seen the ending? Anderson was in the same vehicle as Shepard. Screw it. You didn't put any effort into paying to the game, I'm not paying attention to the rest of this post.

[Rifneno]

What happened? Did Grey's bad kill the thread?

[GethPrimeMKII]

Rifneno wrote...

What happened? Did Grey's bad kill the thread?

If his bit about Shepard being immune to indoctrination because he has kinetic barriers didnt do it, I think the thread will survive.

[Rifneno]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What happened? Did Grey's bad kill the thread?

If his bit about Shepard being immune to indoctrination because he has kinetic barriers didnt do it, I think the thread will survive.

He said what?  Are we sure he's not just trying to fake mental defect to defraud the government out of disability money?

[GethPrimeMKII]

Rifneno wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What happened? Did Grey's bad kill the thread?

If his bit about Shepard being immune to indoctrination because he has kinetic barriers didnt do it, I think the thread will survive.

He said what?  Are we sure he's not just trying to fake mental defect to defraud the government out of disability money?

Oh and reapers could never control Shepard because we the player control him. Don't think too hard on what he says, you'll just get a brain aneurysm.

[Rifneno]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What happened? Did Grey's bad kill the thread?

If his bit about Shepard being immune to indoctrination because he has kinetic barriers didnt do it, I think the thread will survive.

He said what?  Are we sure he's not just trying to fake mental defect to defraud the government out of disability money?

Oh and reapers could never control Shepard because we the player control him. Don't think too hard on what he says, you'll just get a brain aneurysm.

No kidding.  This guy's posts should come with a surgeon general's warning.  He is to the brain what 2 cartons of cigarettes a day is to the lungs.