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spotlessvoid wrote...

If Harbinger is individually acting out his own plan, then how does control work? Here Shep, Harbs is a bit rebellious-just yank the leash real hard. Bastard tries tohump indoctrinate everything !!!

I have a question. If the Citadel's relay was unavailable and the Reapers simply planned to use the Relay in "Arrival" to "flood the galaxy", how come they...

1- reached the galaxy so fast without a working "relay", or...
2- didn't use any other random relay, if Arrival was rendered possible, which makes me ask...
3- why did they ever need the Citadel for (except cut the head of galactic power) if any other relay could do the job?

Your question : Harbinger just shuts down his fears since Shepard would not betray the Leviathan. I'm only walking the theoric line here.

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Since we're discussing the physics of stuff going on, even the scene where the Reapers go down makes no sense whatsoever.

I mean seriously, the blast just killed them and they plop over. But think about it. Their mass effect drives would be offline. They would be at full mass and full weight. Can you even imagine what a Reaper would weigh? And what the impact would be when they hit the ground? Remember Jurassic Park and how there was like a tiny earthquake when the brachiosaurus was standing on his hind legs to get to the top of a tree and then let himself fall back onto all fours? Hell, does anyone know what the damage was to the surrounding areas when the World Trade Center collapsed? Because that building's barely a fraction of the mass of a Reaper capital ship. Yet there's barely a speedbump for the ground troops watching capital ships fall all around them.

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Rifneno wrote...

God, I wish they'd get on with it and release another MP DLC. Been saving creds for too long, I'm starting to run out of expendable gear. =/

Yes, sir. I've never had so many credits banked before. DLC and the missing Earth mods would be nice in the next week or so.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 18 septembre 2012 - 04:25 .


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Rifneno wrote...

Since we're discussing the physics of stuff going on, even the scene where the Reapers go down makes no sense whatsoever.

( ... )

It's even worse :  they are bouncing like gelly. I can't imagine they used the "ragdoll effect" on the Reapers, would be funny though to see one "ragdoll-slide" down a slope with tentacles springing around.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

God, I wish they'd get on with it and release another MP DLC. Been saving creds for too long, I'm starting to run out of expendable gear. =/

Yes, sir. I've never had so many credits banked before. DLC and the missing Earth mods would be nice in the next week or so.


I'm seriously starting to doubt whether we'll ever see a patch and those mods.  It's been 4 months since the last patch and all we're hearing is the same thing we heard 3 months ago: "Sorry, we can't give an ETA."

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When was Leviathan released?

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paxxton wrote...

When was Leviathan released?

Around August 28.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...

When was Leviathan released?

Around August 28.

Right.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If Harbinger is individually acting out his own plan, then how does control work? Here Shep, Harbs is a bit rebellious-just yank the leash real hard. Bastard tries tohump indoctrinate everything !!!

I have a question. If the Citadel's relay was unavailable and the Reapers simply planned to use the Relay in "Arrival" to "flood the galaxy", how come they...

1- reached the galaxy so fast without a working "relay", or...
2- didn't use any other random relay, if Arrival was rendered possible, which makes me ask...
3- why did they ever need the Citadel for (except cut the head of galactic power) if any other relay could do the job?

Your question : Harbinger just shuts down his fears since Shepard would not betray the Leviathan. I'm only walking the theoric line here.

The Reapers also used the Citadel to shut down the relay network and isolate the galaxy while they began their harvest.


Rifneno wrote...

I'm seriously starting to doubt whether we'll ever see a patch and those mods.  It's been 4 months since the last patch and all we're hearing is the same thing we heard 3 months ago: "Sorry, we can't give an ETA."


Sadly, I tend to agree. :crying:

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 18 septembre 2012 - 04:37 .


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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

I'm seriously starting to doubt whether we'll ever see a patch and those mods.  It's been 4 months since the last patch and all we're hearing is the same thing we heard 3 months ago: "Sorry, we can't give an ETA."


Sadly, I tend to agree. :crying:


Yay.  Speaking of bugs that never get fixed, I just went and joined a gold match.  Why am I back so soon?  Hydra, reapers.  Wave 3, pizza.  Betcha can guess where this is going!  <grumble>

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The Reapers also used the Citadel to shut down the relay network and isolate the galaxy while they began their harvest.

Thanks, I forgot that.

With this "relay network shutdown" capacity unavailable, the Reapers then proceed "conventionally" by attacking all systems simultaneously, splitting their forces between lots of places, with the "bulk" gathered in the Sol system. Since the Prothean cycle took more than a hundred years to complete with the usual "network shutdown" method, even with the Protheans weakened by their war with "synthetics", how they managed to severely compromise the ME3 Alliance fleet in a very short time, with divided forces, puzzles me. When the Citadel "blows up", the battle is really quiet around it, even if a few moments before, the Alliance was desperatly "protecting the Crucible". Evasive maneuvers, at this crucial moment?

And in EC, the "numerous" Alliance ships are back for the parade.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Thanks, I forgot that.

With this "relay network shutdown" capacity unavailable, the Reapers then proceed "conventionally" by attacking all systems simultaneously, splitting their forces between lots of places, with the "bulk" gathered in the Sol system. Since the Prothean cycle took more than a hundred years to complete with the usual "network shutdown" method, even with the Protheans weakened by their war with "synthetics", how they managed to severely compromise the ME3 Alliance fleet in a very short time, with divided forces, puzzles me. When the Citadel "blows up", the battle is really quiet around it, even if a few moments before, the Alliance was desperatly "protecting the Crucible". Evasive maneuvers, at this crucial moment?

And in EC, the "numerous" Alliance ships are back for the parade.

Questions I have wondered myself.

Rifneno wrote...

Yay.  Speaking of bugs that never get fixed, I just went and joined a gold match.  Why am I back so soon?  Hydra, reapers.  Wave 3, pizza.  Betcha can guess where this is going!  <grumble>

Hydra Pizza Delivery, in 30 minutes or never.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yay.  Speaking of bugs that never get fixed, I just went and joined a gold match.  Why am I back so soon?  Hydra, reapers.  Wave 3, pizza.  Betcha can guess where this is going!  <grumble>

Hydra Pizza Delivery, in 30 minutes or never.


:(

For those that don't know, if someone drops the pizza while on one of the ramps in hydra, the pizza falls through the ramp and you can't get to it.  Objective impossible.  Gotta love all the testing they did for MP.  SP's not bad aside from the Joker cockpit bug, but MP has more bugs than a $50/month apartment.

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Ah, FOX. The Future is Today. Or is it? Posted Image

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paxxton wrote...

Ah, FOX. The Future is Today. Or is it? Posted Image


Fox has no time for facts when theres crazy bull**** to talk about, Paxxton, you should know this.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...
The Reapers also used the Citadel to shut down the relay network and isolate the galaxy while they began their harvest.

Thanks, I forgot that.

With this "relay network shutdown" capacity unavailable, the Reapers then proceed "conventionally" by attacking all systems simultaneously, splitting their forces between lots of places, with the "bulk" gathered in the Sol system. Since the Prothean cycle took more than a hundred years to complete with the usual "network shutdown" method, even with the Protheans weakened by their war with "synthetics", how they managed to severely compromise the ME3 Alliance fleet in a very short time, with divided forces, puzzles me. When the Citadel "blows up", the battle is really quiet around it, even if a few moments before, the Alliance was desperatly "protecting the Crucible". Evasive maneuvers, at this crucial moment?

And in EC, the "numerous" Alliance ships are back for the parade.


The Protheans were by all accounts more advanced than the current cycle and also united from the get go due to the Protheans agressive strategies. In this cycles case the Galaxy is split which really hampered the start of the war.

Imagine if the response to the attack on Palavan had been every fleet converging there immediately even as Reaper were spreading out to other worlds. A serious blow could have been dealt, but alas each race is more concerned about its own safety.

Also I think the time consuming potion of a cycle is the harvest itself, not breaking the military. The Protheans may have fought to the last, but as we see in the flashbacks from Eden Prime they were attacking Destroyers with rifles at the end...while that may be resisting I doubt it has much effect.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ah, FOX. The Future is Today. Or is it? Posted Image


Fox has no time for facts when theres crazy bull**** to talk about, Paxxton, you should know this.



Posted Image

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ah, FOX. The Future is Today. Or is it? Posted Image


Fox has no time for facts when theres crazy bull**** to talk about, Paxxton, you should know this.

That's why I wasn't so much surprised to see it. It just felt right. Posted Image

EDIT: Whoa! Lex0r, where's that troll hiding?

Modifié par paxxton, 18 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .


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Also on another note anyone else notice the inconsistency in the power of the wave emanated by the Crucible.

At first it has eneough power to move the debris and the Reapers in space around it, but when it reaches Earth it barely seems to have any force behind and that is nothing compared to the Normandy scenario.

By everything we see the Normandy was in FTL when the wave hit, but if so then the Normandy and crew should have been killed as the ship snapped back to normal speed. This is decribed in the codex as when a ships FTL field collapses the excess energy is sheat in lethal radiation.

So the Normandy cant have been going FTL, but that means the wave bended the Normandy completely and caused it to crash...but that effect is never shown on Earth or even in Space around Earth. In fact what remains of the fleets seem pretty much intact despite having been hit by the wave.

That is not even moentioning the inconsistency in the waves speed if the Normandy was truly going FTL.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Also on another note anyone else notice the inconsistency in the power of the wave emanated by the Crucible.

At first it has eneough power to move the debris and the Reapers in space around it, but when it reaches Earth it barely seems to have any force behind and that is nothing compared to the Normandy scenario.

By everything we see the Normandy was in FTL when the wave hit, but if so then the Normandy and crew should have been killed as the ship snapped back to normal speed. This is decribed in the codex as when a ships FTL field collapses the excess energy is sheat in lethal radiation.

So the Normandy cant have been going FTL, but that means the wave bended the Normandy completely and caused it to crash...but that effect is never shown on Earth or even in Space around Earth. In fact what remains of the fleets seem pretty much intact despite having been hit by the wave.

That is not even moentioning the inconsistency in the waves speed if the Normandy was truly going FTL.


Its a wave of space magic, it doesnt have to obey the laws of physics or even maintain internal consistency!

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Fun fact:
Space magic waves cause premature balding. They have also been linked to restless leg syndrome and Tourettes

Fun Fct 2:
Space magic waves are a natural laxative.

Fun fact 3:
Space magic waves are recyclable.

Fun Fact 4:
Space magic waves are not covered in most homeowner's insurance plans. However, Amazon does offer a return policy

Fun fact 5:
Space magic waves are not carcinogenic to organics. They can cause some damagesto sensitive electronics.

Fun Fact 6:
Space magic waves have zero interest for qualified buyers

Fun Fact 7
Space magic waves are made with real cheese

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That inconsistancy is one among many.

On a side note, is it wrong that I'm hoping there will be a remake or remastering of this game (and the whole trilogy) in a decade or so where a lot of the plotholes are ironed out and more choice is added into the game (i.e. most of the cut script)? A guy can dream.

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Not sure if this was posted, but this is what Jessica Merizan had to say about the endings:

“red-save my friends blue-rebuild relays green-singularity! OR should I trust what I just saw?”

Trust what I just saw? As in not real? Makes sense to me.

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Andromidius wrote...

That inconsistancy is one among many.

On a side note, is it wrong that I'm hoping there will be a remake or remastering of this game (and the whole trilogy) in a decade or so where a lot of the plotholes are ironed out and more choice is added into the game (i.e. most of the cut script)? A guy can dream.


If so they better add that "Xen the mad scientist" quest they cut, if only for that awesome line where she asks Tali if she "got her induction port popped on pilgrimage" in response to Tali siding with Shepard.

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Oh ****, Merizan's madness. I should go.