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[RavenEyry]

I wouldn't mind Zaeeds lines about Vido being added. It's a bit of a plot hole as it stands.

[spotlessvoid]

Rifneno wrote...

Oh ****, Merizan's madness. I should go.

Do...not...stare...into..the....abyss

[jojon2se]

merrysadness - is that like one of those oxymoron things?

[spotlessvoid]

jojon2se wrote...

merrysadness - is that like one of those oxymoron things?

I imagine it's what being a clown feels like

[jojon2se]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I imagine it's what being a clown feels like

touché

[Restrider]

Had to save the thread from getting to the second page of the forum.
Not much going on right now, am I right?

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

Gunslinger thinks it's cable and the link to a photoanalysis is in his sig, so you just need to find a page he posted on, which narrows it down slightly.

It seems like it was purposely designed to look like both to me.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

Gunslinger thinks it's cable and the link to a photoanalysis is in his sig, so you just need to find a page he posted on, which narrows it down slightly.

It seems like it was purposely designed to look like both to me.

Or I could just make a new post

I'm positive it's Reaper cable in that scene, but London concrete, only one is found in London and the other is onyl found on the Citadel in the ending missions. Troublesome.

Links to comparisons are in the sig below, judge for yourself.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Restrider]

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

Gunslinger thinks it's cable and the link to a photoanalysis is in his sig, so you just need to find a page he posted on, which narrows it down slightly.

It seems like it was purposely designed to look like both to me.

Thanks, found it.
Edit:
So the rebar/cable thing is supposedly a reaper cable.
But the concrete/rubble is supposedly rubble not from the Citadel, but from London.

Just follow this (my) logic:
Is there concrete/London rubble on the Citadel?
- Presumably not (though many differ to this statement, but show me concrete on the Citadel prior to that last breathe scene please.)
Are there reaper cables on the Citadel?
- Yes.
Are there reaper cables in London?
- Presumably yes, since there is a huge specimen of reaper tech (ie the beam) nearby and in general London is crawling with reapers and their troops.
Could Shepard survive the Destroy ending being on the Citadel?
- Unlikely to impossible. If you state that Shepard survived the Normandy SR-1 incident, note that:
a) Shepard had an intact suite/helmet (though with a leakage).
The remains of Shepard were frankly said : FUBAR.
c) Two years of reconstruction were needed using the best equipment, specialists and tech to revive Shepard.
d) Shepard was not able to breathe directly after this incident.
e) It is very likely that Shepard got burnt/spaced/suffered severe trauma during the Citadel blast, just like at the SR-1 incident.

For me the case is closed.

Modifié par Restrider, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Or I could just make a new post

Wow, most people need their name said three times to magically appear but you only need one! I promise not to abuse this power.

[Rifneno]

... Oh what the hell, I'll ask. Why should sin-thesis have been purple?

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

... Oh what the hell, I'll ask. Why should sin-thesis have been purple?

Red+blue equals purple.

It was just a bad joke I made ages ago, I should change it but I cant think of anything else.

[Rifneno]

Eh, there's worse jokes. Like you could come start saying that MP is a--wait... nevermind.

[SubAstris]

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

Gunslinger thinks it's cable and the link to a photoanalysis is in his sig, so you just need to find a page he posted on, which narrows it down slightly.

It seems like it was purposely designed to look like both to me.

Thanks, found it.
Edit:
So the rebar/cable thing is supposedly a reaper cable.
But the concrete/rubble is supposedly rubble not from the Citadel, but from London.

Just follow this (my) logic:
Is there concrete/London rubble on the Citadel?
- Presumably not (though many differ to this statement, but show me concrete on the Citadel prior to that last breathe scene please.)
Are there reaper cables on the Citadel?
- Yes.
Are there reaper cables in London?
- Presumably yes, since there is a huge specimen of reaper tech (ie the beam) nearby and in general London is crawling with reapers and their troops.
Could Shepard survive the Destroy ending being on the Citadel?
- Unlikely to impossible. If you state that Shepard survived the Normandy SR-1 incident, note that:
a) Shepard had an intact suite/helmet (though with a leakage).
The remains of Shepard were frankly said : FUBAR.
c) Two years of reconstruction were needed using the best equipment, specialists and tech to revive Shepard.
d) Shepard was not able to breathe directly after this incident.
e) It is very likely that Shepard got burnt/spaced/suffered severe trauma during the Citadel blast, just like at the SR-1 incident.

For me the case is closed.

The place where Shepard fell was far away from the beam, which my knowledge doesn't have any visible Reaper cables on it anyway. But assuming it had, then either Shepard was moved far away from his initial point of fall by an unknown being or a massive wind blew lumps of concrete over to the barren place where he lay, along with Reaper cables. Neither of those explanations are terribly convincing though.

The fact is neither death scene was terribly realistic; Shep should have died both times.

[Restrider]

SubAstris wrote...

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

Gunslinger thinks it's cable and the link to a photoanalysis is in his sig, so you just need to find a page he posted on, which narrows it down slightly.

It seems like it was purposely designed to look like both to me.

Thanks, found it.
Edit:
So the rebar/cable thing is supposedly a reaper cable.
But the concrete/rubble is supposedly rubble not from the Citadel, but from London.

Just follow this (my) logic:
Is there concrete/London rubble on the Citadel?
- Presumably not (though many differ to this statement, but show me concrete on the Citadel prior to that last breathe scene please.)
Are there reaper cables on the Citadel?
- Yes.
Are there reaper cables in London?
- Presumably yes, since there is a huge specimen of reaper tech (ie the beam) nearby and in general London is crawling with reapers and their troops.
Could Shepard survive the Destroy ending being on the Citadel?
- Unlikely to impossible. If you state that Shepard survived the Normandy SR-1 incident, note that:
a) Shepard had an intact suite/helmet (though with a leakage).
The remains of Shepard were frankly said : FUBAR.
c) Two years of reconstruction were needed using the best equipment, specialists and tech to revive Shepard.
d) Shepard was not able to breathe directly after this incident.
e) It is very likely that Shepard got burnt/spaced/suffered severe trauma during the Citadel blast, just like at the SR-1 incident.

For me the case is closed.

The place where Shepard fell was far away from the beam, which my knowledge doesn't have any visible Reaper cables on it anyway. But assuming it had, then either Shepard was moved far away from his initial point of fall by an unknown being or a massive wind blew lumps of concrete over to the barren place where he lay, along with Reaper cables. Neither of those explanations are terribly convincing though.

The fact is neither death scene was terribly realistic; Shep should have died both times.

Well, in fact he did die in the SR-1 incident? Technically he was dead for two years and was reconstructed.
The breathe scene however indicates that he survives without extensive and long medical treatment and thus supposedly was not exposed to the Citadel explosions.
And I know it is a running gang among other threads:
This actually strongly supports IT.

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

Well, in fact he did die in the SR-1 incident? Technically he was dead for two years and was reconstructed.
The breathe scene however indicates that he survives without extensive and long medical treatment and thus supposedly was not exposed to the Citadel explosions.
And I know it is a running gang among other threads:
This actually strongly supports IT.

The best in-universe explanation I've heard is Shepard runs back to the entrance and gets beamed out.

Not a very good best explanation really.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Restrider wrote...

*snips*

Just follow this (my) logic:
Is there concrete/London rubble on the Citadel?
- Presumably not (though many differ to this statement, but show me concrete on the Citadel prior to that last breathe scene please.)

There IS some material that looks similar to London Rubble, but it's not the same. The two (or three) lined groove patterns accross London rubble aren't there, instead they have a different groove pattern along the length and the occaisional double grooved line across.

Are there reaper cables on the Citadel?
- Yes.

Post-final mission only mind you. . . so far as we know.

Are there reaper cables in London?
- Presumably yes, since there is a huge specimen of reaper tech (ie the beam) nearby and in general London is crawling with reapers and their troops.

Going through London several times with the intend purpose of finding ANY Reaper cable in structures turned up with no results. Not even on the outside of the Beam structure. The only thing similar to Reaper cable is the cable used on Husk troops, which is not of the same design as Reaper cables seen in Reaper structures. I believe someone else used a flycam to get a good shot all around the Beam and still found no cables, but saw no screenshots and I don't use flycam so I can't say for sure.
Now, that doens't mean the Beam doens't have Reaper cables inside of it, when Reapers build things they tend to use a lot of these cables. If that's the case, teh question becomes: why are the Beams insides now on the outside?

Could Shepard survive the Destroy ending being on the Citadel?
- Unlikely to impossible. If you state that Shepard survived the Normandy SR-1 incident, note that:
a) Shepard had an intact suite/helmet (though with a leakage).
The remains of Shepard were frankly said : FUBAR.
c) Two years of reconstruction were needed using the best equipment, specialists and tech to revive Shepard.
d) Shepard was not able to breathe directly after this incident.
e) It is very likely that Shepard got burnt/spaced/suffered severe trauma during the Citadel blast, just like at the SR-1 incident.

For me the case is closed.

The only way for Shepard to have survived all of the explosions + everything else that would kill him/her (about 8 things last count)  was if a lot of unseen things occured between the Choice and the Breath Scene, which should have been addressed in the EC but they were not. Can only assume Bioware meant for it to be that way.

[SubAstris]

Restrider wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Restrider wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, just out of curiosity:
Was the conclusion in the rebar/cable discussion really that it is a reaper cable? Could you provide me with a link to the section, where this was elaborated (thanks to the search function, I only know it is in this thread, but looking through approx 1000 pages is wasted time for me)?
Edit: Before anyone gets cocky (and I know there are a few that like that), I am not saying that you have to look for the page, I only hope someone remembers the number of the page.

Gunslinger thinks it's cable and the link to a photoanalysis is in his sig, so you just need to find a page he posted on, which narrows it down slightly.

It seems like it was purposely designed to look like both to me.

Thanks, found it.
Edit:
So the rebar/cable thing is supposedly a reaper cable.
But the concrete/rubble is supposedly rubble not from the Citadel, but from London.

Just follow this (my) logic:
Is there concrete/London rubble on the Citadel?
- Presumably not (though many differ to this statement, but show me concrete on the Citadel prior to that last breathe scene please.)
Are there reaper cables on the Citadel?
- Yes.
Are there reaper cables in London?
- Presumably yes, since there is a huge specimen of reaper tech (ie the beam) nearby and in general London is crawling with reapers and their troops.
Could Shepard survive the Destroy ending being on the Citadel?
- Unlikely to impossible. If you state that Shepard survived the Normandy SR-1 incident, note that:
a) Shepard had an intact suite/helmet (though with a leakage).
The remains of Shepard were frankly said : FUBAR.
c) Two years of reconstruction were needed using the best equipment, specialists and tech to revive Shepard.
d) Shepard was not able to breathe directly after this incident.
e) It is very likely that Shepard got burnt/spaced/suffered severe trauma during the Citadel blast, just like at the SR-1 incident.

For me the case is closed.

The place where Shepard fell was far away from the beam, which my knowledge doesn't have any visible Reaper cables on it anyway. But assuming it had, then either Shepard was moved far away from his initial point of fall by an unknown being or a massive wind blew lumps of concrete over to the barren place where he lay, along with Reaper cables. Neither of those explanations are terribly convincing though.

The fact is neither death scene was terribly realistic; Shep should have died both times.

Well, in fact he did die in the SR-1 incident? Technically he was dead for two years and was reconstructed.
The breathe scene however indicates that he survives without extensive and long medical treatment and thus supposedly was not exposed to the Citadel explosions.
And I know it is a running gang among other threads:
This actually strongly supports IT.

I'm saying Shep after that incident should have been totally irrecoverable with/without tech or treatment.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Well, in fact he did die in the SR-1 incident? Technically he was dead for two years and was reconstructed.
The breathe scene however indicates that he survives without extensive and long medical treatment and thus supposedly was not exposed to the Citadel explosions.
And I know it is a running gang among other threads:
This actually strongly supports IT.

The best in-universe explanation I've heard is Shepard runs back to the entrance and gets beamed out.

Not a very good best explanation really.

Especilly not since it would mean he needed to find and operate the elevator that brought him up there. Remember catalyst was the one operating it while Shepard was uncounscious and I did not see any obvius control panels near where Shepard wakes up.

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Especilly not since it would mean he needed to find and operate the elevator that brought him up there. Remember catalyst was the one operating it while Shepard was uncounscious and I did not see any obvius control panels near where Shepard wakes up.

I don't even see the LIFT near where Shep wakes up.

[Restrider]

I think we can agree on the statement that we know nothing and everything remains blury.
Though I am still inclined to believe that the breathe scene resembles more London than anything else.

[dorktainian]

i just had a thought.. what if?

We arrive on Earth. Everyone we know is indoctrinated. (soldiers / comrades)

However...

People on earth are not.

Therefore we end up fighting our way through husks and stuff... but what if these are actually people who are not indoctrinated, but because we are indoctrinated we see them as something else? Doing the reapers work for them?

Sheps 'Wake Up' would then have him seeing the battle for what it actually is. His friends who are indoctrinated now become his enemies.

Still better than ME3s supposed ending. Would be a massive plot twist.

Sheps visit to the citadel never existed - it was a dream planted in his mind by harbinger before he flew off.



I'd buy that DLC.

Modifié par dorktainian, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[RavenEyry]

Prettz latest video showed something I hadn't seen mentioned before similar to this. In the shuttle scene when leaving earth, you can briefly see an alliance soldier shooting at refugees. Possible rapid indoctrination signs. (There's also those low res sprites running towards a reaper, but I knew that aready)

[SubAstris]

Was watching Choose Wisely Episode 1 on Indoctrination and it got me thinking about Vega and the infamous "hum". Is this actually seen as a valid piece of evidence, esp. given that there is indeed a humming sound where he is situated?

[RavenEyry]

Some people say James might be indoctrinated but eh, it's pretty minor. I don't personally think it means anything.