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[estebanus]

Rifneno wrote...

So the hyper-intelligent space monsters who have been looking for such a solution for a billion years or more didn't even realize synthesis was possible, but than our organic races do it on their own later anyway.

Seems. Legit.

Not over a few years, of course. IT'll probably take centuries, if not milennia, to truly achieve it.

See, what I view under a form of organic/synthetic synthesis is something like Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It wouldn't do anything the catalyst says it will, because that's just impossible.

EDIT: top!

Modifié par estebanus, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:00 .

[Rifneno]

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

That's why we've been calling him Starbinger for a few months. 

[spotlessvoid]

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

[BleedingUranium]

If they truly did a non-IT sequal that has synthesis no matter what, I'd just headcanon IT and that said game never existed, or existed in a different Mass Effect universe than mine.

Kinda like how COD4 is an amazing game, but the two sequals were really stupid. Which is, in turn, kinda like the Matrix movies, but more extreme. Luckily, unlike most stories that have sequals, there are no loose ends and no need for sequals at the end of COD4, so in my headcanon it's a standalone game, and the other two never existed.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:18 .

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

The irony is that Mark Meer says that line.

[TheWill]

would be fantastic if starchild turned out to be the left over pieces of Sovereign recovered on the citadel and then rebuilt by the keepers... somewhere below the presidium tower...

Sovereign did say "This station is mine" ... hell i just want a huge boss battle at the end... a challenging one for shepard.. a one on one fist fight with a reaper... because all the others were far too easy..

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

The irony is that Mark Meer says that line.

BroShep is Starchild...yes, yes, it all makes sense now

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

Both of those, for me, mean I don't really see it another way. The parallel of Leviathan = memories to Harbinger = memory is too perfect. It could be it's not Harbinger, but until that's said, then as far as I'm concerned, he is Harbinger.

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

The irony is that Mark Meer says that line.

BroShep is Starchild...yes, yes, it all makes sense now

BroShep is Harbinger.

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

The irony is that Mark Meer says that line.

BroShep is Starchild...yes, yes, it all makes sense now

BroShep is Harbinger.

Don't tell Byne, he'll have a field day with this

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:18 .

[Eryri]

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So the hyper-intelligent space monsters who have been looking for such a solution for a billion years or more didn't even realize synthesis was possible, but than our organic races do it on their own later anyway.

Seems. Legit.

Not over a few years, of course. IT'll probably take centuries, if not milennia, to truly achieve it.

See, what I view under a form of organic/synthetic synthesis is something like Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It wouldn't do anything the catalyst says it will, because that's just impossible.

EDIT: top!

The weird thing I actually find the idea of human augmentation, such as in Deus Ex, quite interesting. It's just the way it was presented in ME3 that was so awful.

The way it was unilaterally forced on everyone, including primitive cultures who would surely have been terrified at these hideous green lines crawling all over their skin.

The fact that a wave of green light could convert an entire galaxy in a matter of minutes.

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

Modifié par Eryri, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:23 .

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

there needs to to some DLC that will end this once and all because with the Leviathan DLC it made think me think that that "StarChild" was Harbinger

So be it did it for me

The irony is that Mark Meer says that line.

BroShep is Starchild...yes, yes, it all makes sense now

BroShep is Harbinger.

Don't tell Byne, he'll have a field day with this

His headache would get worse after hearing that. So I won't tell him. He'll have to dig it up on his own.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:21 .

[estebanus]

Eryri wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So the hyper-intelligent space monsters who have been looking for such a solution for a billion years or more didn't even realize synthesis was possible, but than our organic races do it on their own later anyway.

Seems. Legit.

Not over a few years, of course. IT'll probably take centuries, if not milennia, to truly achieve it.

See, what I view under a form of organic/synthetic synthesis is something like Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It wouldn't do anything the catalyst says it will, because that's just impossible.

EDIT: top!

The weird thing I actually find the idea of human augmentation, such as in Deus Ex, quite interesting. It's just the way it was presented in ME3 that was so awful.

The way it was unilaterally forced on everyone, including primitive cultures who would surely have been terrified at these hideous green lines crawling all over their skin.

The fact that a wave of green light could convert an entire galaxy in a matter of minutes.

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice at the end. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

Exactly. That's why I keep up my hopes that a naturally achieved synthesis would be like that we see in Deus Ex. That way, nobody would be forced to become this.

[BleedingUranium]

Eryri wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So the hyper-intelligent space monsters who have been looking for such a solution for a billion years or more didn't even realize synthesis was possible, but than our organic races do it on their own later anyway.

Seems. Legit.

Not over a few years, of course. IT'll probably take centuries, if not milennia, to truly achieve it.

See, what I view under a form of organic/synthetic synthesis is something like Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It wouldn't do anything the catalyst says it will, because that's just impossible.

EDIT: top!

The weird thing I actually find the idea of human augmentation, such as in Deus Ex, quite interesting. It's just the way it was presented in ME3 that was so awful.

The way it was unilaterally forced on everyone, including primitive cultures who would surely have been terrified at these hideous green lines crawling all over their skin.

The fact that a wave of green light could convert an entire galaxy in a matter of minutes.

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

LOL and agreed.

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

Exactly. That's why I keep up my hopes that a naturally achieved synthesis would be like that we see in Deus Ex. That way, nobody would be forced to become this.

Wouldn't that just be like the transhumans EDI was talking about? While it would be integrating synthetic componants into one's brain, I can't see any other similarity between that and Starbinger's Synthesis.

Unless they mean everyone and everything naturally evolved green glowy eyes and circuit boards. Including all plants. And clothing/armour.

[TheWill]

if synthesis had been explained as tiny little subatomic nanobot reapers being scattered throughout the galaxy or something.. i may have believed it.... but if its unexplained..then its going to be seen as space magic..

besides i dont know where you could go storywise with this idea.. your told its the pinnacle of evolution.. so what does life do now? life has become stagnant.. unable to move forward.. no challenges...no evolution..

Remember what Mordin says in ME2 about the reapers modifying the protheans into collectors.... i dont think he would like synthesis.. and i dont think many in the galaxy would have taken such changes well.. even if it does end war... all it does is change us all into TOOLS

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Exactly. That's why I keep up my hopes that a naturally achieved synthesis would be like that we see in Deus Ex. That way, nobody would be forced to become this.

Wouldn't that just be like the transhumans EDI was talking about? While it would be integrating synthetic componants into one's brain, I can't see any other similarity between that and Starbinger's Synthesis.

Unless they mean everyone and everything naturally evolved green glowy eyes and circuit boards. Including all plants. And clothing/armour.

Yeah. I'm not in any way, shape or form talking about that synthesis the catalyst represents. That is not the only definition of a synthesis. That's just a stupid way of looking at it, and something I'd expect a child to say.
Transhumanism is a form of synthesis, just not the one represented by the catalyst.

[spotlessvoid]

Then it's not a "synthesis" sequel if it's not a result of green space magic

[estebanus]

TheWill wrote...

if synthesis had been explained as tiny little subatomic nanobot reapers being scattered throughout the galaxy or something.. i may have believed it.... but if its unexplained..then its going to be seen as space magic..

besides i dont know where you could go storywise with this idea.. your told its the pinnacle of evolution.. so what does life do now? life has become stagnant.. unable to move forward.. no challenges...no evolution..

Remember what Mordin says in ME2 about the reapers modifying the protheans into collectors.... i dont think he would like synthesis.. and i dont think many in the galaxy would have taken such changes well.. even if it does end war... all it does is change us all into TOOLS

There is NO pinnacle of evolution. Synthetics aren't even a natural part of organics, so I can not fathom how anyone might view that as a final evolution of life.
Or is the catalyst telling us that we can only fully evolve by putting something unnatural in us? Something that shouldn't be there in the first place?

Modifié par estebanus, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[Dwailing]

So, I see we're all talking about space magic again. You know, I agree with TheWill. If they had explained it as nanobots (Which we know exist.), then I don't think it would have been thought of as space magic. And it wouldn't have taken that much work, either. They added the extra descriptions to the other endings, they could have done this.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then it's not a "synthesis" sequel if it's not a result of green space magic

Look, this green space magic you're referring to only happens when a certain idiot jumps into an energy beam. Otherwise, it could never happen that way.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

TheWill wrote...

would be fantastic if starchild turned out to be the left over pieces of Sovereign recovered on the citadel and then rebuilt by the keepers... somewhere below the presidium tower...

Sovereign did say "This station is mine" ... hell i just want a huge boss battle at the end... a challenging one for shepard.. a one on one fist fight with a reaper... because all the others were far too easy..

Could actually be awesome if it was Sovereign and he then sort of teamed up with Harbinger for the final showdown or at least the big revalation.

Could it not be awesome in some twisted way if choosing wrong, beeing Indoctrinated resulted in a cutscene where you see all the future images and then you are snapped back to the decision champer. Even as Shepard stands confused the Kid appears again, but not alone as a projection of Harbinger appears as well and even as we watch the Kid morphs into a projection of Sovereign.

Shepard goes something like, "what is this?"

A little bit of exposition from our two villians ending with Shepard starting to see the images from before, but this time twisted, showing the truth of what happened. Instead of people, it is husks, instead of rebuilding it is devastation. The cycle lost as the Reapers harvest and as it runs Sovereign and Harbinger speak.

Something like:

"We planted the seed in your mind," - Sovereign
"We nurtured the sapling," - Harbinger
"We harvested the plant," -Sovereign
"And we repurposed it. Assuming direct control," -Harbinger

And then just either Critical Mission Failure or Credits.

That would be a failure cinematic worth watching.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

TheWill wrote...

would be fantastic if starchild turned out to be the left over pieces of Sovereign recovered on the citadel and then rebuilt by the keepers... somewhere below the presidium tower...

Sovereign did say "This station is mine" ... hell i just want a huge boss battle at the end... a challenging one for shepard.. a one on one fist fight with a reaper... because all the others were far too easy..

Could actually be awesome if it was Sovereign and he then sort of teamed up with Harbinger for the final showdown or at least the big revalation.

Could it not be awesome in some twisted way if choosing wrong, beeing Indoctrinated resulted in a cutscene where you see all the future images and then you are snapped back to the decision champer. Even as Shepard stands confused the Kid appears again, but not alone as a projection of Harbinger appears as well and even as we watch the Kid morphs into a projection of Sovereign.

Shepard goes something like, "what is this?"

A little bit of exposition from our two villians ending with Shepard starting to see the images from before, but this time twisted, showing the truth of what happened. Instead of people, it is husks, instead of rebuilding it is devastation. The cycle lost as the Reapers harvest and as it runs Sovereign and Harbinger speak.

Something like:

"We planted the seed in your mind," - Sovereign
"We nurtured the sapling," - Harbinger
"We harvested the plant," -Sovereign
"And we repurposed it. Assuming direct control," -Harbinger

And then just either Critical Mission Failure or Credits.

That would be a failure cinematic worth watching.

And subsequently give synthesisers a GIANT. MIDDLE. FINGER.

[Eryri]

estebanus wrote...

TheWill wrote...

if synthesis had been explained as tiny little subatomic nanobot reapers being scattered throughout the galaxy or something.. i may have believed it.... but if its unexplained..then its going to be seen as space magic..

besides i dont know where you could go storywise with this idea.. your told its the pinnacle of evolution.. so what does life do now? life has become stagnant.. unable to move forward.. no challenges...no evolution..

Remember what Mordin says in ME2 about the reapers modifying the protheans into collectors.... i dont think he would like synthesis.. and i dont think many in the galaxy would have taken such changes well.. even if it does end war... all it does is change us all into TOOLS

There is NO pinncale of evolution. Synthetics aren't even a natural part of organics, so I can not fathom how anyone might view that as a final evolution of life.
Or is the catalyst telling us that we can only fully evolve by putting something unnatural in us? Something that shouldn't be there in the first place?

Very true. Evolution has no direction, it's not a ladder climbing ever upwards. It's more the moulding of a population of genes to better survive in a particular environment. We are not "more evolved" than chimps for example. They've simply adapted to their particular niche in a different way to ourselves. 

There may come a day when our big, energy hungry brains become a liability. Some sort of environmental disaster that destroys food production would leave other primate species, able to survive on a wider variety of foods, at a selective advantage.

The idea that evolution has a pinnacle that life is working towards, and will stop when it gets there, is wrong.

[Rifneno]

Eryri wrote...

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

I think that was their intent.  Leaves with printed circuitry on them?  I immediately thought it was their way of saying "You know this isn't real, right?  Look at this.  This is way too ****ing stupid to be real."