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[401 Kill]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


"We planted the seed in your mind," - Sovereign
"We nurtured the sapling," - Harbinger
"We harvested the plant," -Sovereign
"And we repurposed it. Assuming direct control," -Harbinger
And then just either Critical Mission Failure or Credits.
That would be a failure cinematic worth watching.

If only. 

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Exactly. That's why I keep up my hopes that a naturally achieved synthesis would be like that we see in Deus Ex. That way, nobody would be forced to become this.

Wouldn't that just be like the transhumans EDI was talking about? While it would be integrating synthetic componants into one's brain, I can't see any other similarity between that and Starbinger's Synthesis.

Unless they mean everyone and everything naturally evolved green glowy eyes and circuit boards. Including all plants. And clothing/armour.

Yeah. I'm not in any way, shape or form talking about that synthesis the catalyst represents. That is not the only definition of a synthesis. That's just a stupid way of looking at it, and something I'd expect a child to say.
Transhumanism is a form of synthesis, just not the one represented by the catalyst.

But unless the naturally achieved synthesis is the same as the Crucible's Merizan's comment, and the future game, wouldn't make sense. Not that I believe a word of it anyway

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then it's not a "synthesis" sequel if it's not a result of green space magic

Look, this green space magic you're referring to only happens when a certain idiot jumps into an energy beam. Otherwise, it could never happen that way.

The point is that would mean the sequel isnt based of that decision

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Exactly. That's why I keep up my hopes that a naturally achieved synthesis would be like that we see in Deus Ex. That way, nobody would be forced to become this.

Wouldn't that just be like the transhumans EDI was talking about? While it would be integrating synthetic componants into one's brain, I can't see any other similarity between that and Starbinger's Synthesis.

Unless they mean everyone and everything naturally evolved green glowy eyes and circuit boards. Including all plants. And clothing/armour.

Yeah. I'm not in any way, shape or form talking about that synthesis the catalyst represents. That is not the only definition of a synthesis. That's just a stupid way of looking at it, and something I'd expect a child to say.
Transhumanism is a form of synthesis, just not the one represented by the catalyst.

But unless the naturally achieved synthesis is the same as the Crucible's Merizan's comment, and the future game, wouldn't make sense. Not that I believe a word of it anyway

I know. It's essentially false hope. I wouldn't trust BioWare to ever fix the problems the ending and synthesis has.
And, if they really do decide to do this, the Mass Effect franchise will well and truly be nothing but a warning to videogame developers about what happens when you become too proud of yourself.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then it's not a "synthesis" sequel if it's not a result of green space magic

Look, this green space magic you're referring to only happens when a certain idiot jumps into an energy beam. Otherwise, it could never happen that way.

The point is that would mean the sequel isnt based of that decision

I know. It'll just be another plothole/idiocy we'd have to deal with.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

I think that was their intent.  Leaves with printed circuitry on them?  I immediately thought it was their way of saying "You know this isn't real, right?  Look at this.  This is way too ****ing stupid to be real."

I think that's one of the strongest point toward IT being intended, along with Bill Casey's link about brainwashing yesterday.

[Eryri]

estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Could it not be awesome in some twisted way if choosing wrong, beeing Indoctrinated resulted in a cutscene where you see all the future images and then you are snapped back to the decision champer. Even as Shepard stands confused the Kid appears again, but not alone as a projection of Harbinger appears as well and even as we watch the Kid morphs into a projection of Sovereign.

Shepard goes something like, "what is this?"

A little bit of exposition from our two villians ending with Shepard starting to see the images from before, but this time twisted, showing the truth of what happened. Instead of people, it is husks, instead of rebuilding it is devastation. The cycle lost as the Reapers harvest and as it runs Sovereign and Harbinger speak.

Something like:

"We planted the seed in your mind," - Sovereign
"We nurtured the sapling," - Harbinger
"We harvested the plant," -Sovereign
"And we repurposed it. Assuming direct control," -Harbinger

And then just either Critical Mission Failure or Credits.

That would be a failure cinematic worth watching.

And subsequently give synthesisers a GIANT. MIDDLE. FINGER.

 Oh that would be fantastic! Don't forget controllers though. With the honourable exception of Paxxton, controllers get very upset when you suggest that their fantasy of Absolute Power might not work out so well.

Modifié par Eryri, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Dwailing]

Huh, now isn't THAT interesting. I just noticed what weapon Shep is holding on the ME3 cover. The Carnifex. Now, it could just be a coincidence, but isn't it interesting that Shepard just happens to be carrying the weapon that he uses in the ending to shoot the tube for Destroy? I mean, they could have used the Predator for the box art (God knows Shepard uses it enough other times in the game. It's pretty much his iconic pistol, considering he uses it for darn near everything.), but no, they chose the Carnifex, the gun from the endings. Now why would that be, I wonder?

[spotlessvoid]

" Don't forget controllers though. With the honourable exception of Paxxton, controllers get very upset when you suggest that their fantasy of Absolute Power might not work out so well."

Actually, if you listen very closely you can hear paxxton gnashing his teeth

[Dwailing]

I also had another thought, doesn't Shep's posture on the cover look a bit like his posture in the endings? I'm not saying they're identical, but I see at least a passing resemblance.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, now isn't THAT interesting. I just noticed what weapon Shep is holding on the ME3 cover. The Carnifex. Now, it could just be a coincidence, but isn't it interesting that Shepard just happens to be carrying the weapon that he uses in the ending to shoot the tube for Destroy? I mean, they could have used the Predator for the box art (God knows Shepard uses it enough other times in the game. It's pretty much his iconic pistol, considering he uses it for darn near everything.), but no, they chose the Carnifex, the gun from the endings. Now why would that be, I wonder?

Well, since it's down by his side, he's just about to drop it, like in the Control/Synthesis ending. So, logically, Control and Synthesis are the best ending!





I kid, it's a good point

[Ginissss]

So what do you all think? Are they gonna milk us so we keep buying dlc to see the indoctrination theory be revealed and the last scene in the last mass effect 3 dlc will be the breath scene and then mass effect 4 or an expansion pack will be the real final battle??

http://www.ign.com/a...3#disqus_thread

[401 Kill]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Then it's not a "synthesis" sequel if it's not a result of green space magic

Look, this green space magic you're referring to only happens when a certain idiot jumps into an energy beam. Otherwise, it could never happen that way.

The point is that would mean the sequel isnt based of that decision

If they wish to make another game, destroy is the most likely option. Control would just have the reapers around to solve the problems(and I'm not saying that they would even obey Shepard) and synthesis would mean that everybody is glowing green including all plants and animals everywhere. Like that suddenly makes them completely peaceful and in harmony(btw, the reapers are still there).

[Eryri]

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, now isn't THAT interesting. I just noticed what weapon Shep is holding on the ME3 cover. The Carnifex. Now, it could just be a coincidence, but isn't it interesting that Shepard just happens to be carrying the weapon that he uses in the ending to shoot the tube for Destroy? I mean, they could have used the Predator for the box art (God knows Shepard uses it enough other times in the game. It's pretty much his iconic pistol, considering he uses it for darn near everything.), but no, they chose the Carnifex, the gun from the endings. Now why would that be, I wonder?

Well spotted! Makes you wonder what else they've hidden in plain sight. I'm beginning to think those black tendrils over the ME3 logo are a bit suspicious...

Either that or I'm getting WAY too involved in this. 

[TheWill]

yeah.. its weird that in every scene in the game even if you havent got it equipped the predator pistol makes an apperance.. seriously that really bugs me...

then at the end and only the end hes holding the hand cannon...

Theres just one thing i want to see at the end.. and thats when Shep starts diggin his way out of the rubble... the crystal that EVE gives him - I found this… A simple crystal. But it became my chisel. Take it as a reminder, Commander. In the darkest hour, there is always a way out.”

[Eryri]

Ginissss wrote...

So what do you all think? Are they gonna milk us so we keep buying dlc to see the indoctrination theory be revealed and the last scene in the last mass effect 3 dlc will be the breath scene and then mass effect 4 or an expansion pack will be the real final battle??

http://www.ign.com/a...3#disqus_thread

I know Chris Priestly denied it, but I've still got my fingers crossed for a Project X expansion. The rumor was that it would be a very large file, so it may even make sense to be on a physical disc like the expansion packs of my distant, fondly remembered youth. And Chris only denied the specific claim that it was a DLC, arriving in March. So it could be a disc coming on another date maybe?

I'm probably just grasping at straws  though. 

Modifié par Eryri, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:03 .

[estebanus]

Eryri wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Could it not be awesome in some twisted way if choosing wrong, beeing Indoctrinated resulted in a cutscene where you see all the future images and then you are snapped back to the decision champer. Even as Shepard stands confused the Kid appears again, but not alone as a projection of Harbinger appears as well and even as we watch the Kid morphs into a projection of Sovereign.

Shepard goes something like, "what is this?"

A little bit of exposition from our two villians ending with Shepard starting to see the images from before, but this time twisted, showing the truth of what happened. Instead of people, it is husks, instead of rebuilding it is devastation. The cycle lost as the Reapers harvest and as it runs Sovereign and Harbinger speak.

Something like:

"We planted the seed in your mind," - Sovereign
"We nurtured the sapling," - Harbinger
"We harvested the plant," -Sovereign
"And we repurposed it. Assuming direct control," -Harbinger

And then just either Critical Mission Failure or Credits.

That would be a failure cinematic worth watching.

And subsequently give synthesisers a GIANT. MIDDLE. FINGER.

 Oh that would be fantastic! Don't forget controllers though. With the honourable exception of Paxxton, controllers get very upset when you suggest that their fantasy of Absolute Power might not work out so well.

There should be a different scenario for controllers, then.

Sovereign: "You thought you could control us, Shepard."

Harbinger: "I expected better from you."

Sovereign: "Now, your foolishness will result in the ascension of all your allies."

Harbinger: "And you will be at the center of it all, Shepard."

Sovereign. "You can not control us, Shepard. We control you."

Harbinger: "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."

Afterwards, we see how Shepard is fighting her LI, and she sees how the rest of her squaddies are either fighting reaper troops or are running away. Instead of seeing Shepard controlling the reapers to rebuild the relays, we now see the reapers controlling Shepard to execute her friends and loved ones one by one. It goes from the characters with the least interaction up to those with the most. In the end, we see Shepard putting a gun to the head of her LI. The LI is crying, and tears are slowly running down his/her face. Then, Shepard pulls the trigger, and we see the LI fall to the ground.
After Shepard's usefulness is at an end, we see her silhouette from behind, and hear her quitly whispering "My god... what have I done?" Then, she puts a gun under her chin and pulls the trigger. The scene ends with her falling to the ground. Fade to black.
Finally, we see the last scene, where the camera slowly zooms in on Shepard's face. the eyes are wide upen, and the marks of dried tears can be seen under her indoctrinated eyes. As the camera slowly zooms closer and closer, we slowly see the eyes losing their illumination, until they finally go totally dark.

CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE. Or credits.

[Eryri]

estebanus wrote...

There should be a different scenario for controllers, then.

Sovereign: "You thought you could control us, Shepard."

Harbinger: "I expected better from you."

Sovereign: "Now, your foolishness will result in the ascension of all your allies."

Harbinger: "And you will be at the center of it all, Shepard."

Sovereign. "You can not control us, Shepard. We control you."

Harbinger: "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."

Afterwards, we see how Shepard is fighting her LI, and she sees how the rest of her squaddies are either fighting reaper troops or are running away. Instead of seeing Shepard controlling the reapers to rebuild the relays, we now see the reapers controlling Shepard to execute her friends and loved ones one by one. It goes from the characters with the least interaction up to those with the most. In the end, we see Shepard putting a gun to the head of her LI. The LI is crying, and tears are slowly running down his/her face. Then, Shepard pulls the trigger, and we see the LI fall to the ground.
After Shepard's usefulness is at an end, we see her silhouette from behind, and hear her quitly whispering "My god... what have I done?" Then, she puts a gun under her chin and pulls the trigger. The scene ends with her falling to the ground. Fade to black.
Finally, we see the last scene, where the camera slowly zooms in on Shepard's face. the eyes are wide upen, and the marks of dried tears can be seen under her indoctrinated eyes. As the camera slowly zooms closer and closer, we slowly see the eyes losing their illumination, until they finally go totally dark.

CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE. Or credits.

Wow! Now THAT'S how you do a dark ending! That is brilliant! 

Modifié par Eryri, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:34 .

[estebanus]

Eryri wrote...

estebanus wrote...

There should be a different scenario for controllers, then.

Sovereign: "You thought you could control us, Shepard."

Harbinger: "I expected better from you."

Sovereign: "Now, your foolishness will result in the ascension of all your allies."

Harbinger: "And you will be at the center of it all, Shepard."

Sovereign. "You can not control us, Shepard. We control you."

Harbinger: "ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."

Afterwards, we see how Shepard is fighting her LI, and she sees how the rest of her squaddies are either fighting reaper troops or are running away. Instead of seeing Shepard controlling the reapers to rebuild the relays, we now see the reapers controlling Shepard to execute her friends and loved ones one by one. It goes from the characters with the least interaction up to those with the most. In the end, we see Shepard putting a gun to the head of her LI. The LI is crying, and tears are slowly running down his/her face. Then, Shepard pulls the trigger, and we see the LI fall to the ground.
After Shepard's usefulness is at an end, we see her silhouette from behind, and hear her quitly whispering "My god... what have I done?" Then, she puts a gun under her chin and pulls the trigger. The scene ends with her falling to the ground. Fade to black.
Finally, we see the last scene, where the camera slowly zooms in on Shepard's face. the eyes are wide upen, and the marks of dried tears can be seen under her indoctrinated eyes. As the camera slowly zooms closer and closer, we slowly see the eyes losing their illumination, until they finally go totally dark.

CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE. Or credits.

Wow! Now THAT'S how you do a dark ending!

Thanks. Although, my brother is way better at stuff like this.

[estebanus]

Eryri wrote...

Ginissss wrote...

So what do you all think? Are they gonna milk us so we keep buying dlc to see the indoctrination theory be revealed and the last scene in the last mass effect 3 dlc will be the breath scene and then mass effect 4 or an expansion pack will be the real final battle??

http://www.ign.com/a...3#disqus_thread

I know Chris Priestly denied it, but I've still got my fingers crossed for a Project X expansion. The rumor was that it would be a very large file, so it may even make sense to be on a physical disc like the expansion packs of my distant, fondly remembered youth. And Chris only denied the specific claim that it was a DLC, arriving in March. So it could be a disc coming on another date maybe?

I'm probably just grasping at straws  though. 

I doubt Chris Priestly knows much about what BioWare's inner circle is doing.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

I think that was their intent.  Leaves with printed circuitry on them?  I immediately thought it was their way of saying "You know this isn't real, right?  Look at this.  This is way too ****ing stupid to be real."

I think that's one of the strongest point toward IT being intended, along with Bill Casey's link about brainwashing yesterday.

I stopped reading his crap after he went on that tangent about how we don't need new content even if IT is true.  "Well it's IMPLIED we win through totally unexplained means, what else do you want omg"

[TheWill]

we still dont know on what level life exists inside reaper form... imagine for a second that all the people processed.. all their genetic markers/experience exists in a virtual reality.. sort of like the geth...inside the reaper...
maybe .. just maybe the stargazer scene at the end... is what its like for the harvested inside a reaper... and only one dominant mind is in control of it....? shivers run down my spine... this is the only way i can understand the whole preservation of life in reaper form argument by the intelligence....

[Rifneno]

Huh. They released the Argus in MP.

And it still sucks.

[Lokanaiya]

Estebanus... Wow! That's amazing! And probably the most heartrending way to do it also... Perfect! Maybe also add a few pleas and accusations from Shepard's friends and LI, and Joker and Anderson should contribute some tear-jerkers too. You could get a few lines here and there from different people with tones of desperation, horror, and betrayal, until the shot with your LI, who would just say a one word, heart-rending plea: "Shepard..." The camera would slowly zoom in on Shepard's cold, emotionless face and a gunshot is heard, followed by the soft thump of a body hitting the floor. Shepard slowly realizes what he has done with dawning horror, and then he shoots himself. Critical Mission Failure.

[SubAstris]

Rifneno wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I think the worst part was seeing it plastered all over the trees on Planet Cowardice. Nothing natural exists anywhere anymore. What benefit are a bunch of transistors supposed to impart to a tree?

I think synthesis is what made me embrace IT. Nothing this bizarre could possibly be real.

I think that was their intent.  Leaves with printed circuitry on them?  I immediately thought it was their way of saying "You know this isn't real, right?  Look at this.  This is way too ****ing stupid to be real."

Let's not forget that BW have done a lot of stupid things, not all of them not real