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[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

You could've just said "Hey guys, check out this song" instead of a page of prattling.

Don't take it so seriously. It was fun and at least the thread didn't die.

[ElSuperGecko]

This thread will never die.

Not until the day we get DLC where Shepard breaks the fourth wall, gives the player a double thumbs up and sings "I Did It My Way" in a musical number with Husks as back-up dancers.

edit:  Back on topic, did anyone ever come up with a reasonable explanation for the dream sequences?  It's the first time in the series we've really been given a glimpse into Shepard's subconcious that didn't involve some kind of vision created by an Alien artifact...

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:35 .

[Restrider]

paxxton...
I read through the last ten pages and then I had to read the atrocity that page 945 is...
You are responsible for killing my will to live...










Just kidding.

[Restrider]

ElSuperGecko wrote...
Back on topic, did anyone ever come up with a reasonable explanation for the dream sequences?  It's the first time in the series we've really been given a glimpse into Shepard's subconcious that didn't involve some kind of vision created by an Alien artifact...

As far as I know, the dreams are thought to be foreshadowings/signs of Shepards slow indoctrination that culminates at the ending, where you can either break the attempt or fall completely to it.
There are in total three dreams.
In each dream, there are more things added that are mentioned to be also happening while people are indoctrinated:
 - oily shadows
 - mumbling that is not really understandable
 - whispering in the last dream
Furthermore there have been speculations that the kid in the dream does not run away from a (unseen) reaper, but from you, the player. Meaning that you are in fact the reaper (see discussion some pages ago).
On another note, you should compare the data pads/logs of the scientists on the Arrival asteroid with the vision/nightmare you see, when you let the countdown reach 0:00.
That's all I can remember, sure there are way more detailed interpretations in this thread.

Edit: If there is a IT MP group, enlist me please.

[Arian Dynas]

Hey folks, what goeth on? College is keeping me pretty busy so I'm not surfing much lately, other than Muzyka and Zeschuk retiring what's new?

[RavenEyry]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey folks, what goeth on? College is keeping me pretty busy so I'm not surfing much lately, other than Muzyka and Zeschuk retiring what's new?

Next DLC would appear to be the fabled omega DLC.

[Restrider]

More evidence that Project X may -in fact- be true.
More evidence that there should be 3 DLCs (excluding Javik).
Omega DLC confirmed and maybe a huge one (6 maps with one being a hub).
Thoughts on ME 4.
Otters kind of puzzle approach to explain the DLCs (every DLC adds more to the picture -> IT).
Banshee showing us cut combat dialogue (not sure if this was revealed already earlier, though I haven't seen it) from the ending, which also kind of supports otters puzzle approach.
More speculations/comparisons between the Crucible and the end of ME 3.
Bill Casey redacting log/datapad notes from several Cerberus facilities, showing how horrible synthesis is.
A few funny remarks.
I can wholeheartedly encourage you to read the last 10 pages, they are full of new/interesting stuff.
But we warned... skip page 945, or your soul may burn.

[Ace7]

 Thank's for the recap restrider. I also find it hard to keep up with the thread even though I try check in at least once a day.

Any chance of a link to the cut combat dialogue?


Also....once every 945 pages, future IT'ers will worship the puzzling meanderings of the one they call....Paxxton....:innocent:








......................................945 forever

Modifié par Ace7, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:31 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Maybe we'll actually learn harbinger's old name this time since it didn't show up in Leviathan.

[Ace7]

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey folks, what goeth on? College is keeping me pretty busy so I'm not surfing much lately, other than Muzyka and Zeschuk retiring what's new?

Next DLC would appear to be the fabled omega DLC.

Awesome. Did I read somewhere that a vague "fall" release date was thrown about?

Also, I'm not too up on the Bioware exec structure but what involvment would 
Muzyka and Zeschuk have had on the ME series and how do you think it would affect the future of the series if at all?

[Ace7]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Maybe we'll actually learn harbinger's old name this time since it didn't show up in Leviathan.

People keep bringing this up but I don't get why it's so important? In my opinion it would be pointless, a billion or so odd old name in a language that would more than likely be indecipherable to us nowadays would make little sense. 

Unless they somehow give us a modern translation of the name and it reveals something about the original creatures nature or it's original personality. 

I think this would open up a can of worms however...

Modifié par Ace7, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:45 .

[Restrider]

Ace7 wrote...


Any chance of a link to the cut combat dialogue?

Here you go:
Legion Prime combat dialogue:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162159
No real video, but hints that there are dialogues of Jack/Zaeed/Grunt embedded in the files:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162346
You're welcome.

[ElSuperGecko]

Restrider wrote...
As far as I know, the dreams are thought to be foreshadowings/signs of Shepards slow indoctrination that culminates at the ending, where you can either break the attempt or fall completely to it...

That was my own thoughts on the matter.  The only time we've ever seen a glimpse into Shepard's subconcious in the series - when we've switched from reality into dream-like seqences, visions or flashbacks - is when Shepard has been under alien influence.

The Prothean Beacon, Liara's mind-meld, the relics found in ME2, Object Rho, Javik, Leviathan...

So I really don't see the dream sequences as being any different.  Especially when you consider the content - as you said, the "oily shadows", "ghostly presences", the whispering... these are some pretty-screwed up dreams, and we know exactly what their content relates to, we've read it in the codex, we've heard it from the Rachni queen, we've heard it from the scientists who were onboard the derelict Reaper in ME2, from Benezia, from Saren...

[Hrothdane]

Ace7 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Maybe we'll actually learn harbinger's old name this time since it didn't show up in Leviathan.

People keep bringing this up but I don't get why it's so important? In my opinion it would be pointless, a billion or so odd old name in a language that would more than likely be indecipherable to us nowadays would make little sense. 

Unless they give us a modern translation of the name and it reveals something about the original creatures nature or it's original personality. 

I think it would be opening up a can of worms however...

The leaked Leviathan script from the EC had a spot in the Catalyst conversation that basically had "insert Harbinger's old name here," but the final version obviously never had that. BioWare apparently though it was important enough to put it in at one point, so maybe it does have some significance that will become clear later.

[Ace7]

 

Restrider wrote...

You're welcome.

 

Retrothanks to you....

Hrothdane wrote...

The leaked Leviathan script from the EC had a spot in the Catalyst conversation that basically had "insert Harbinger's old name here," but the final version obviously never had that. BioWare apparently though it was important enough to put it in at one point, so maybe it does have some significance that will become clear later.

hmmm, i don't know. I mean, any name he has is probably an adopted name, given to him by whatever cycle they are harvesting or even adopted by himself to suit his mood during that particular cycle. 

Will we also then need to know Sovereign and Leviathans old tongue names?

[SubAstris]

Restrider wrote...

More evidence that Project X may -in fact- be true.
More evidence that there should be 3 DLCs (excluding Javik).
Omega DLC confirmed and maybe a huge one (6 maps with one being a hub).
Thoughts on ME 4.
Otters kind of puzzle approach to explain the DLCs (every DLC adds more to the picture -> IT).
Banshee showing us cut combat dialogue (not sure if this was revealed already earlier, though I haven't seen it) from the ending, which also kind of supports otters puzzle approach.
More speculations/comparisons between the Crucible and the end of ME 3.
Bill Casey redacting log/datapad notes from several Cerberus facilities, showing how horrible synthesis is.
A few funny remarks.
I can wholeheartedly encourage you to read the last 10 pages, they are full of new/interesting stuff.
But we warned... skip page 945, or your soul may burn.

Where is this evidence for "Project X", the infamous DLC that BW have repeatedly denied?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Ace7 wrote...

 

Restrider wrote...

You're welcome.

 

Retrothanks to you....

Hrothdane wrote...

The leaked Leviathan script from the EC had a spot in the Catalyst conversation that basically had "insert Harbinger's old name here," but the final version obviously never had that. BioWare apparently though it was important enough to put it in at one point, so maybe it does have some significance that will become clear later.

hmmm, i don't know. I mean, any name he has is probably an adopted name, given to him by whatever cycle they are harvesting or even adopted by himself to suit his mood during that particular cycle. 

Will we also then need to know Sovereign and Leviathans old tongue names?

You learn Sovereign's name from talking to Legion in ME2, Nazara. And it's not so much the name, but the fact that they specifically had lines referencing Harbinger not only in the ending, but also at some point in either Leviathan or another dlc by a different name. We wouldn't have known it was Harbinger's old name until asking the Catalyst. 

[plfranke]

What if Harbinger's old tongue name is Shepard? Would be epic.

Anyway, I was thinking, what if we had a recap post every 10 pages so if anyone wanted to know what was going on they could just refer to that?

[Ace7]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

 

Restrider wrote...

You're welcome.

 

Retrothanks to you....

Hrothdane wrote...

The leaked Leviathan script from the EC had a spot in the Catalyst conversation that basically had "insert Harbinger's old name here," but the final version obviously never had that. BioWare apparently though it was important enough to put it in at one point, so maybe it does have some significance that will become clear later.

hmmm, i don't know. I mean, any name he has is probably an adopted name, given to him by whatever cycle they are harvesting or even adopted by himself to suit his mood during that particular cycle. 

Will we also then need to know Sovereign and Leviathans old tongue names?

You learn Sovereign's name from talking to Legion in ME2, Nazara. And it's not so much the name, but the fact that they specifically had lines referencing Harbinger not only in the ending, but also at some point in either Leviathan or another dlc by a different name. We wouldn't have known it was Harbinger's old name until asking the Catalyst. 

Yeah, apparently he introduced himself to the geth as Nazara. I remember now.

but...

1. Do we know that is an "old tongue name"?

2. If not, then is it from the previous cycle?

3.  Also, the name doesn't shed any light on anything. I've seen threads trying to link the word Nazara to Hindu writings and even the old testament but how would that make any sense given that Sovereign is not from this cycle. unless shepard's control option results in a super retcon device/time machine and a reveal that he goes back in time and invents the reapers himself? Sorry if I sound contrary...

Now if Bioware were to invent a name and invent a meaning to match (as in inventing the original reaper language), I would be completely fine with that. But this, finding an existing human based name with a convienently fitting meaning makes about as much sense as Starchild. The names Sovereign and Harbinger make sense becuase they are adopted names, from this cycle.

Modifié par Ace7, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[Andromidius]

SubAstris wrote...

Where is this evidence for "Project X", the infamous DLC that BW have repeatedly denied?

The fact the same person who was denying it exists also denied rumours about an Omega DLC being released in Q4 of this year.  And also that its been revealed that there is another big DLC coming in 2013.

Hense we can assume he's a rotten liar when it comes to debunking rumours.  Shakey evidence, but more then there was before.

Also 'Project X' is very vague, and can mean anything that's yet to be officially named.

[RavenEyry]

I think 'deny everything unless told otherwise' is standard PR policy at the moment.

One denial being technically a lie doesn't mean they all are.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Ace7 wrote...


Yeah, apparently he introduced himself to the geth as Nazara. I remember now.

but...

1. Do we know that is an "old tongue name"?

2. If not, then is it from the previous cycle?

3.  Also, the name doesn't shed any light on anything. I've seen threads trying to link the word Nazara to Hindu writings and even the old testament but how would that make any sense given that Sovereign is not from this cycle. unless shepard's control option results in a super retcon device/time machine and a reveal that he goes back in time and invents the reapers himself? Sorry if I sound contrary...

Now if Bioware were to invent a name and invent a meaning to match (as in inventing the original reaper language), I would be completely fine with that. But this, finding an existing human based name with a convienently fitting meaning makes about as much sense as Starchild. The names Sovereign and Harbinger make sense becuase they are adopted names, from this cycle.

1. We do, because that's what was placed in the unused line in the Leviathan files. Here are the lines.

Who is OLD TONGUE NAME OF HARBINGER?
The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger. 

3. Like I said, it's not so much the name, but that Shepard doesn't know the name belongs to Harbinger and specifically asks the Catalyst who that is only to be told it IS Harbinger. And if we go by the lines, Shepard doesn't even know that this old name is the first reaper, possibly unaware that it's even a reaper! That's a pretty big realization to come to at the end of the game when two of the choices you have ultimately side with the reapers. Not to mention anyone that's had to suffer through all of Harbinger's insults would immediately call bull on the Catalyst's "good intentions", which is, I'm assuming, why they may have left it out. 

Edit: I'm also extremely curious as to what Leviathan was initially supposed to say about the reapers and Harbinger. Especially without Shepard catching on that it's Harbinger the Leviathans are talking about.

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:39 .

[estebanus]

plfranke wrote...

What if Harbinger's old tongue name is Shepard? Would be epic.

Anyway, I was thinking, what if we had a recap post every 10 pages so if anyone wanted to know what was going on they could just refer to that?

Harbingers old tongue name is Harbinger.

[Ace7]

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

What if Harbinger's old tongue name is Shepard? Would be epic.

Anyway, I was thinking, what if we had a recap post every 10 pages so if anyone wanted to know what was going on they could just refer to that?

Harbingers old tongue name is Harbinger.

If the old tongue name has the same meaning as the human word 'Harbinger', then yes, it would make sense. Otherwise I say to you.........hogwash. 

[estebanus]

Ace7 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

plfranke wrote...

What if Harbinger's old tongue name is Shepard? Would be epic.

Anyway, I was thinking, what if we had a recap post every 10 pages so if anyone wanted to know what was going on they could just refer to that?

Harbingers old tongue name is Harbinger.

If the old tongue name has the same meaning as the human word 'Harbinger', then yes, it would make sense. Otherwise I say to you.........hogwash. 

It must be. Otherwise, leviathan would have told you its real name, wouldn't he?