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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Iconoclaste wrote...

You're mostly stalling debates around your tiny emotions, Spot. Care to move on?

You are hilarious

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Restrider wrote...
Here you go:
Legion Prime combat dialogue:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162159
No real video, but hints that there are dialogues of Jack/Zaeed/Grunt embedded in the files:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162346
You're welcome.

Since there are more people online/available right now, I wanted to repost this for clarification.
Has this been already been discussed (ie the cut combat dialogues found in the files)?
And if so, what is the conclusion on this?
Do you think BW is going to add/activate these files once the DLCs are all out?
In any case this kind of supports heavily the Puzzle Style theory.
Furthermore: Any thoughts on the announcements of today (ME 4, more DLC, new IP, the docs leaving)?
Edit: Corrected terrible grammar/punctuation.

Modifié par Restrider, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:18 .


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Skillz1986 wrote...

Not sure how the ai describes synthesis though.

"Everything you are will be absorbed and sent out."

Looks like reaper gastro-enteritis to me...

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Iconoclaste wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Skillz1986 wrote...

Not sure how the ai describes synthesis though.

"Everything you are will be absorbed and sent out."

Looks like reaper gastro-enteritis to me...

That's what happens when you try to eat vermin.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Say what you want but byne zinged you good man

Byne missed the point altogether, just like you.


I didnt miss the point. You were calling him a chicken. I am aware of the common usage of this term.

However I pointed out that he is a raven, as shown by his avatar.

I didnt miss the point, I made a joke. Theres a difference. One would think someone who believes himself intelligent above all others like yourself would know this, but apparently not.

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Iconoclaste, you act like you're important. What's so funny is how seriously you take yourself but how truly irrelevant you are.

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I'll put my two cents in, since I was in the first IT topic lol.

The whole game the Illusive Man and Cerberus is trying to sabotage everything the alliance does and if you look in the codex it mentions rumors about him being allied to the reapers. TIM has been huskifying innocents in Sanctuary, has the prothean VI corrupted, tips off the reapers about the citadel being the catalyst, makes you shoot Anderson. Yet with all of that he is used to demonstrate the apparent blue paragon ending. But anderson is depicted as demonstrating the destroy, renegade ending. Then the catalyst AI tells you the destroy ending is bad lol.

With the reapers gaining control of the citadel, which is their technology to begin with, who's to say the reapers didn't rewrite the AI's programming, like they did to the geth, to take the form of the child Shepard saw and also rewriting it to lie about the effects of each of the "manual input conduits" The Ai child is not something that originated from the Crucible, it originates from reaper tech.

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You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

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Restrider wrote...

Since there are more people online/available right now, I wanted to repost this for clarification.
Has this been already been discussed (ie the cut combat dialogues found in the files)?
And if so, what is the conclusion on this?
Do you think BW is going to add/activate these files once the DLCs are all out?
In any case this kind of supports heavily the Puzzle Style theory.
Furthermore: Any thoughts on the announcements of today (ME 4, more DLC, new IP, the docs leaving)?
Edit: Corrected terrible grammar/punctuation.

Maybe this is unrelated, but I recently started a new playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and since I installed ME3 DLC there are annoying voice glitches all over the place in ME2, especially Garrus, who has his "dual voice" sometimes normal (two closely "pitched" voices) and sometimes "Reaperish" (normal pitch+ very low 2nd voice). Since my ME1 and ME2 are on STEAM platform, and ME3 on Origin, I don't understand the sudden "bugs".

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Anyways, fire away if you must I'm

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyways, fire away if you must I'm

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There are like 10 perverted ways I could interpret that, but I'm going to assume you're washing your hands of him?

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byne wrote...

I didnt miss the point. You were calling him a chicken. I am aware of the common usage of this term.

However I pointed out that he is a raven, as shown by his avatar.

I didnt miss the point, I made a joke. Theres a difference. One would think someone who believes himself intelligent above all others like yourself would know this, but apparently not.

A little late to the party, and that's not making a difference, honestly. You can side with the kid if you want, I don't mind.

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byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyways, fire away if you must I'm

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There are like 10 perverted ways I could interpret that, but I'm going to assume you're washing your hands of him?

Your mind wanders to interesting places, Byne.

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byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyways, fire away if you must I'm (dirty)


There are like 10 perverted ways I could interpret that, but I'm going to assume you're washing your hands of him?

Yes, and putting lots of energy into saying it over and over again.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .


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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Anyways, fire away if you must I'm

*snip*


There are like 10 perverted ways I could interpret that, but I'm going to assume you're washing your hands of him?

Your mind wanders to interesting places, Byne.


Yeah...

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smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

Might be that not only Shepard is hooked up to the Matrix, but also TIM and Anderson. They form a collective consciousness. Three vastly differing avatars of this cycle.

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Rob Psyence wrote...

I'll put my two cents in, since I was in the first IT topic lol.

The whole game the Illusive Man and Cerberus is trying to sabotage everything the alliance does and if you look in the codex it mentions rumors about him being allied to the reapers. TIM has been huskifying innocents in Sanctuary, has the prothean VI corrupted, tips off the reapers about the citadel being the catalyst, makes you shoot Anderson. Yet with all of that he is used to demonstrate the apparent blue paragon ending. But anderson is depicted as demonstrating the destroy, renegade ending. Then the catalyst AI tells you the destroy ending is bad lol.

With the reapers gaining control of the citadel, which is their technology to begin with, who's to say the reapers didn't rewrite the AI's programming, like they did to the geth, to take the form of the child Shepard saw and also rewriting it to lie about the effects of each of the "manual input conduits" The Ai child is not something that originated from the Crucible, it originates from reaper tech.


Dafuq just happened? I just saw your post/avatar and the introduction to it and thought it was me posting rogue :o.

I wanted to add the following:
The whole Sanctuary mission felt odd.
I assume that at that point, TIM was not under the control of the reapers, why else would the reapers attack Sanctuary to get rid of the whole controling research that was done there?
If TIM was not indoctrinated previous to Sanctuary, why did he sabotage the whole Alliance campaign? He tried to stop krogan-turian peace (ie bomb on Tuchanka/attack on Sur'Kesh facility).
The other missions you fight Cerberus you could say they are trying to gain more importance/strength. But in the end (non-indoctrinated) TIM's goal would be to use/steal the Crucible and control the reapers with it. Why does TIM then sabotage the Crucible project in the first place (before he is indoctrinated)?

If he is under reaper control previous to Sanctuary, why did the reapers attack that facility?

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smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land. Always bugged me.

He could have been referring to the Collector episode?

Ask Byne, he's full of resources.

#23745
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Iconoclaste wrote...

Ask Byne, he's full of resources.


Am I?

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byne wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Ask Byne, he's full of resources.


Am I?

You mean as : by yourself?

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Iconoclaste wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Since there are more people online/available right now, I wanted to repost this for clarification.
Has this been already been discussed (ie the cut combat dialogues found in the files)?
And if so, what is the conclusion on this?
Do you think BW is going to add/activate these files once the DLCs are all out?
In any case this kind of supports heavily the Puzzle Style theory.
Furthermore: Any thoughts on the announcements of today (ME 4, more DLC, new IP, the docs leaving)?
Edit: Corrected terrible grammar/punctuation.

Maybe this is unrelated, but I recently started a new playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and since I installed ME3 DLC there are annoying voice glitches all over the place in ME2, especially Garrus, who has his "dual voice" sometimes normal (two closely "pitched" voices) and sometimes "Reaperish" (normal pitch+ very low 2nd voice). Since my ME1 and ME2 are on STEAM platform, and ME3 on Origin, I don't understand the sudden "bugs".

Are you implying that the DLCs in ME 3 are somehow changing ME 1/2 files on Steam?
I think that would have to be a coincidence.

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Rob Psyence wrote...

I'll put my two cents in, since I was in the first IT topic lol.

The whole game the Illusive Man and Cerberus is trying to sabotage everything the alliance does and if you look in the codex it mentions rumors about him being allied to the reapers. TIM has been huskifying innocents in Sanctuary, has the prothean VI corrupted, tips off the reapers about the citadel being the catalyst, makes you shoot Anderson. Yet with all of that he is used to demonstrate the apparent blue paragon ending. But anderson is depicted as demonstrating the destroy, renegade ending. Then the catalyst AI tells you the destroy ending is bad lol.

With the reapers gaining control of the citadel, which is their technology to begin with, who's to say the reapers didn't rewrite the AI's programming, like they did to the geth, to take the form of the child Shepard saw and also rewriting it to lie about the effects of each of the "manual input conduits" The Ai child is not something that originated from the Crucible, it originates from reaper tech.


I want to see the scene showing us how TIM wa able to contact the reapers. I also want to see how he got aboard the citadel and how/when those implants that rip up his face happened.

There was no reason for Tim to warn the reapers. Attaching the crucible to the citadel was necessary for control

It'd be cool if omega expanded on TIM's story

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:40 .


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Restrider wrote...

Restrider wrote...
Here you go:
Legion Prime combat dialogue:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162159
No real video, but hints that there are dialogues of Jack/Zaeed/Grunt embedded in the files:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162346
You're welcome.

Since there are more people online/available right now, I wanted to repost this for clarification.
Has this been already been discussed (ie the cut combat dialogues found in the files)?
And if so, what is the conclusion on this?
Do you think BW is going to add/activate these files once the DLCs are all out?
In any case this kind of supports heavily the Puzzle Style theory.
Furthermore: Any thoughts on the announcements of today (ME 4, more DLC, new IP, the docs leaving)?
Edit: Corrected terrible grammar/punctuation.

I remember that. It's analogous to what BioWare did with the "So be IT" line (lowered the pitch of Mark Meer's voice).

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:42 .


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paxxton wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Restrider wrote...
Here you go:
Legion Prime combat dialogue:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162159
No real video, but hints that there are dialogues of Jack/Zaeed/Grunt embedded in the files:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162346
You're welcome.

Since there are more people online/available right now, I wanted to repost this for clarification.
Has this been already been discussed (ie the cut combat dialogues found in the files)?
And if so, what is the conclusion on this?
Do you think BW is going to add/activate these files once the DLCs are all out?
In any case this kind of supports heavily the Puzzle Style theory.
Furthermore: Any thoughts on the announcements of today (ME 4, more DLC, new IP, the docs leaving)?
Edit: Corrected terrible grammar/punctuation.

I remember that. This is analogous to what BioWare did with the "So be IT" line (lowered the pitch of Mark Meer's voice).


Mark meer talks to himself...way to often :lol: