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[Restrider]

Dendio1 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

I'll put my two cents in, since I was in the first IT topic lol.

The whole game the Illusive Man and Cerberus is trying to sabotage everything the alliance does and if you look in the codex it mentions rumors about him being allied to the reapers. TIM has been huskifying innocents in Sanctuary, has the prothean VI corrupted, tips off the reapers about the citadel being the catalyst, makes you shoot Anderson. Yet with all of that he is used to demonstrate the apparent blue paragon ending. But anderson is depicted as demonstrating the destroy, renegade ending. Then the catalyst AI tells you the destroy ending is bad lol.

With the reapers gaining control of the citadel, which is their technology to begin with, who's to say the reapers didn't rewrite the AI's programming, like they did to the geth, to take the form of the child Shepard saw and also rewriting it to lie about the effects of each of the "manual input conduits" The Ai child is not something that originated from the Crucible, it originates from reaper tech.

I want to see the scene showing us how TIM wa able to contact the reapers. I also want to see how he got aboard the citadel and how/when those implants that rip up his face happened.

Isn't it at least a common hypothesis that the third DLC will take place on the Citadel (thought that some dataminers found out about that)?
It always bugged me that the Citadel was gone.... like that.
I guess it would fit to see a last battle on the Citadel, before it is captured. Or to see what happens to the presumed 20 Millions of Citadel citizens/refugees while it is orbiting Earth.
On a side note:
If the Citadel is still rotating, while it opens to emit the blast of space magic, can you even imagine what force the poor bastards at the far end would perceive?
Physicist mode online
... calculating...
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[Rob Psyence]

Restrider wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

I'll put my two cents in, since I was in the first IT topic lol.

The whole game the Illusive Man and Cerberus is trying to sabotage everything the alliance does and if you look in the codex it mentions rumors about him being allied to the reapers. TIM has been huskifying innocents in Sanctuary, has the prothean VI corrupted, tips off the reapers about the citadel being the catalyst, makes you shoot Anderson. Yet with all of that he is used to demonstrate the apparent blue paragon ending. But anderson is depicted as demonstrating the destroy, renegade ending. Then the catalyst AI tells you the destroy ending is bad lol.

With the reapers gaining control of the citadel, which is their technology to begin with, who's to say the reapers didn't rewrite the AI's programming, like they did to the geth, to take the form of the child Shepard saw and also rewriting it to lie about the effects of each of the "manual input conduits" The Ai child is not something that originated from the Crucible, it originates from reaper tech.

Dafuq just happened? I just saw your post/avatar and the introduction to it and thought it was me posting rogue .

I wanted to add the following:
The whole Sanctuary mission felt odd.
I assume that at that point, TIM was not under the control of the reapers, why else would the reapers attack Sanctuary to get rid of the whole controling research that was done there?
If TIM was not indoctrinated previous to Sanctuary, why did he sabotage the whole Alliance campaign? He tried to stop krogan-turian peace (ie bomb on Tuchanka/attack on Sur'Kesh facility).
The other missions you fight Cerberus you could say they are trying to gain more importance/strength. But in the end (non-indoctrinated) TIM's goal would be to use/steal the Crucible and control the reapers with it. Why does TIM then sabotage the Crucible project in the first place (before he is indoctrinated)?

If he is under reaper control previous to Sanctuary, why did the reapers attack that facility?

My theory would be because they knew Shepard was there and they  used it as a trap. The reapers knew about Cerberus' research already as read in, I forgot, either in retribution or ascension.

[paxxton]

Dendio1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Restrider wrote...
Here you go:
Legion Prime combat dialogue:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162159
No real video, but hints that there are dialogues of Jack/Zaeed/Grunt embedded in the files:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13414717/940#14162346
You're welcome.

Since there are more people online/available right now, I wanted to repost this for clarification.
Has this been already been discussed (ie the cut combat dialogues found in the files)?
And if so, what is the conclusion on this?
Do you think BW is going to add/activate these files once the DLCs are all out?
In any case this kind of supports heavily the Puzzle Style theory.
Furthermore: Any thoughts on the announcements of today (ME 4, more DLC, new IP, the docs leaving)?
Edit: Corrected terrible grammar/punctuation.

I remember that. This is analogous to what BioWare did with the "So be IT" line (lowered the pitch of Mark Meer's voice).

Mark meer talks to himself...way to often

Maybe he's indoctrinated.

[byne]

Dendio1 wrote...


I want to see the scene showing us how TIM wa able to contact the reapers. I also want to see how he got aboard the citadel and how/when those implants that rip up his face happened.

There was no reason for Tim to warn the reapers. Attaching the crucible to the citadel was necessary for control

It'd be cool if omega expanded on TIM's story

I always kind of figured that those implants were slowly messing up his face over the course of the game, but that the hologram hid them.

His face looks kind of odd here.

It could just be weird shadowing, though.

[Iconoclaste]

Restrider wrote...

Are you implying that the DLCs in ME 3 are somehow changing ME 1/2 files on Steam?
I think that would have to be a coincidence.

I don't know, I though it may cause conflicts with the game engine, which is "common" to most of ME2 and ME3, but the fact is that I also played ME2 before the DLC installed in ME3 and had no such problem.

[Dendio1]

Restrider wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

I'll put my two cents in, since I was in the first IT topic lol.

The whole game the Illusive Man and Cerberus is trying to sabotage everything the alliance does and if you look in the codex it mentions rumors about him being allied to the reapers. TIM has been huskifying innocents in Sanctuary, has the prothean VI corrupted, tips off the reapers about the citadel being the catalyst, makes you shoot Anderson. Yet with all of that he is used to demonstrate the apparent blue paragon ending. But anderson is depicted as demonstrating the destroy, renegade ending. Then the catalyst AI tells you the destroy ending is bad lol.

With the reapers gaining control of the citadel, which is their technology to begin with, who's to say the reapers didn't rewrite the AI's programming, like they did to the geth, to take the form of the child Shepard saw and also rewriting it to lie about the effects of each of the "manual input conduits" The Ai child is not something that originated from the Crucible, it originates from reaper tech.

I want to see the scene showing us how TIM wa able to contact the reapers. I also want to see how he got aboard the citadel and how/when those implants that rip up his face happened.

Isn't it at least a common hypothesis that the third DLC will take place on the Citadel (thought that some dataminers found out about that)?
It always bugged me that the Citadel was gone.... like that.
I guess it would fit to see a last battle on the Citadel, before it is captured. Or to see what happens to the presumed 20 Millions of Citadel citizens/refugees while it is orbiting Earth.
On a side note:
If the Citadel is still rotating, while it opens to emit the blast of space magic, can you even imagine what force the poor bastards at the far end would perceive?
Physicist mode online
... calculating...
...
...
...
...

Yea..expanded info on Tim would be very cool. Need more Martin Sheen!

[paxxton]

But if Shepard talks to himself in the Catalyst's Chamber, it means there's no one else there and hence it must be in Shepard's mind.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

But if Shepard talks to himself in the Catalyst's Chamber, it means there's no one else there and hence it must be in Shepard's mind.

No, see, thats how voice actors work. They can be two people at once!

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But if Shepard talks to himself in the Catalyst's Chamber, it means there's no one else there and hence it must be in Shepard's mind.

No, see, thats how voice actors work. They can be two people at once!

Amazing!

Feeling better?

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But if Shepard talks to himself in the Catalyst's Chamber, it means there's no one else there and hence it must be in Shepard's mind.

No, see, thats how voice actors work. They can be two people at once!

Amazing!

Its movie magic!

Almost as good as space magic!

[Home run MF]

smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

[Dendio1]

byne wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...


I want to see the scene showing us how TIM wa able to contact the reapers. I also want to see how he got aboard the citadel and how/when those implants that rip up his face happened.

There was no reason for Tim to warn the reapers. Attaching the crucible to the citadel was necessary for control

It'd be cool if omega expanded on TIM's story

I always kind of figured that those implants were slowly messing up his face over the course of the game, but that the hologram hid them.

His face looks kind of odd here.

It could just be weird shadowing, though.

Looks like a solid texture swap. My only thing is the dramatic change from when we saw him get his implants at priority cerberus....but then that vids not dated right?

I only remember TIM referring to the implants at thessia

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[RavenEyry]

Home run MF wrote...


I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

Wasn't there some kind of tentacled robot ship that said similar things?

[Dendio1]

Home run MF wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

The vid byne posted about the first confrontation had TIM express his desire to ascend humanity through reaper tech way back at mars

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Rob Psyence]

Home run MF wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

There's a ton of evidence that TIM is indoctorinated and that convo a good implication lol

[Iconoclaste]

RavenEyry wrote...

Wasn't there some kind of tentacled robot ship that said similar things?

That's... amazing! You really got something there, cuckoo!

(for Byne : the cuckoo pops his head from time to time, get it?)

I'm off. Relax now.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[RavenEyry]

Iconoclaste wrote...

That's... amazing! You really got something there, cuckoo!

(for Byne : the cuckoo pops his head from time to time, get it?)

I'm off. Relax now.

Bad comparison since I never left.

[Dwailing]

You know, if Iconoclaste is like this in real life, I REALLY feel sorry for his son. Anyway, I see the gang's all here, so I figure I should pop by just to see if there have been any major developments.

[spotlessvoid]

Phew I was so tense, to the point of having a panic attack. It's good to know I can relax now. My tiny emotions couldn't take it anymore

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

But if Shepard talks to himself in the Catalyst's Chamber, it means there's no one else there and hence it must be in Shepard's mind.

No, see, thats how voice actors work. They can be two people at once!

Amazing!

Its movie magic!

Almost as good as space magic!

LOL. Can't really understand why they did such a mediocre ending (compared to the EC). BioWare must have realized that it wouldn't live up to the quality of the series. Since they are smart people (cause dumb people don't create such games), the only explanation that I can come up with atm is that there's more to it than many think.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[Home run MF]

Dendio1 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

The vid byne posted about the first confrontation had TIM express his desire to ascend humanity through reaper tech way back at mars

So the fact that the previous antagonists viewed themselves as saviours of humanity and more lifes than have ever existed had been indoctrinated and thus this goals where not strictly their own has nothing to do with the ending where your three game goal gets put aside at last moment and, oh what a coincidence, the indoctrinated pals goals are now good?
And the "Synthesis is the final evolution of life" vs "We are the pinnacle of evolution and existence" is just a coincidence too?

Modifié par Home run MF, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

You know, if Iconoclaste is like this in real life, I REALLY feel sorry for his son. Anyway, I see the gang's all here, so I figure I should pop by just to see if there have been any major developments.

Be sure to check out the Holy Page 945.

[RavenEyry]

Home run MF wrote...

So the fact that the previous antagonists viewed themselves as saviours of humanity and more lifes than have ever existed had been indoctrinated and thus this goals where not strictly their own has nothing to do with the ending where your three game goal gets put aside at last moment and, oh what a coincidence, the indoctrinated pals goals are now good?
And the "Synthesis is the final evolution of life" vs "We are the pinnacle of evolution and existence" is just a coincidence too?

I agree. Indoctrinated individuals want what the reapers want, even if they aren't aware of it.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

RavenEyry wrote...

Home run MF wrote...


I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

Wasn't there some kind of tentacled robot ship that said similar things?

And wasent there a certain Spectre, the councils best if i recall who started saying similar things after beeing in close contacc with said tentacled ship?

Edit: Seems people allready mentioned that.

But anyway the fact that the two antagonists choices are now beeing presented as the good choices, antagonists who we know were Indoctrinated, combined with the way similarities between the Reapers words about "pinnacle of evolution" and the Catalyst describtion of Synthesis should be enough to make the alarms bells ringa t full strength in regards to Control and Synthesis.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:18 .

[Dendio1]

Home run MF wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

You know something that always bothered me and I'm not sure I brought it up- when you encounter TIM/Anderson at a certain point TIM will say "...I saved humanity!"

"I saved humanity" Anyone see a problem with that?

I SAVED humanity. The reapers are still around, even indoctrinated TIM knows he hasn't controlled the reapers yet. He could have said "I'm saving humanity" or "I'm going to save humanity" Instead he decided to say it in past tense, as if it already happened. I wonder if he saw the same wonderful things you see if you choose control and synthesis and was living in a fantasy land.

Always bugged me.

I think the whole conversation deserves posting 

TIM: No! I... I saved humanity.
Shep: No, you sacrificed us for you own selfish wants, your lust for control! 
TIM: No. No!
Shep: You were supposed to protect us. And you failed.
TIM: No! I am the savior of humanity! I am the pinnacle of our species!

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the last line?   

The vid byne posted about the first confrontation had TIM express his desire to ascend humanity through reaper tech way back at mars

So the fact that the previous antagonists viewed themselves as saviours of humanity and more lifes than have ever existed had been indoctrinated and thus this goals where not strictly their own has nothing to do with the ending where your three game goal gets put aside at last moment and, oh what a coincidence, the indoctrinated pals goals are now good?
And the "Synthesis is the final evolution of life" vs "We are the pinnacle of evolution and existence" is just a coincidence too?

TIM's bid to control the reapers had some legitimacy, however the problem was that TIM already succumbed to indoctrination before he could finish the job. Shepard can ultimately to chose control the reapers in TIM's place by sacrificing his life in order to reprogram the catalyst to his own ideals.

Why does shepard have to die in order to reprogram the catalyst? Well, why did legion have to die in order to reprogram the geth? 

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .