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MissMaster_2 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

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Woah, there is a lot of new stuff...and a lot of pages. Can someone give me the new main evidence?

Omega has been announced for this fall.


Anything new with IT?

It's been confirmed.











Just kidding. However, it seems like we were right in predicting when these different DLCs would come out.


EDIT: Top!

Modifié par estebanus, 19 septembre 2012 - 08:49 .


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estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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I smell an Ashley Willams Mancer?
I went Liare>Tali>Liara

Ashley -> Miranda -> Miranda here. She locked out all the other romances in ME3 though. Posted Image Switched to Liara in ME1 for my Renegade playthrough. Tried Samara but she dumped me (or rather I dumped her). Posted Image


Liara on my first playthrough as male Shep and remained faithful all throughout. But then again I have always been smitten with her type of character, which can be seen in my past romance choices in Bioware games.

Garrus was my femshep romance and he is the funniest romance I have ever met in a Bioware game.

Alistair's was funnier, IMO.


Never did his romance i must admit :)

In general Dragon Age: Origins was a bit of an oddball to me when it came to the romances as I choose Morrigan for my male despite not usaly liking that type of character.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I smell an Ashley Willams Mancer?
I went Liare>Tali>Liara

Ashley -> Miranda -> Miranda here. She locked out all the other romances in ME3 though. Posted Image Switched to Liara in ME1 for my Renegade playthrough. Tried Samara but she dumped me (or rather I dumped her). Posted Image


Liara on my first playthrough as male Shep and remained faithful all throughout. But then again I have always been smitten with her type of character, which can be seen in my past romance choices in Bioware games.

Garrus was my femshep romance and he is the funniest romance I have ever met in a Bioware game.

Alistair's was funnier, IMO.


Never did his romance i must admit :)

In general Dragon Age: Origins was a bit of an oddball to me when it came to the romances as I choose Morrigan for my male despite not usaly liking that type of character.

You should romance him. his romance dialogues can be hilariously funny! Of course, Zevran comes in as a close second.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I smell an Ashley Willams Mancer?
I went Liare>Tali>Liara

Ashley -> Miranda -> Miranda here. She locked out all the other romances in ME3 though. Posted Image Switched to Liara in ME1 for my Renegade playthrough. Tried Samara but she dumped me (or rather I dumped her). Posted Image


Liara on my first playthrough as male Shep and remained faithful all throughout. But then again I have always been smitten with her type of character, which can be seen in my past romance choices in Bioware games.

Garrus was my femshep romance and he is the funniest romance I have ever met in a Bioware game.

Yeah, Liara had that charm in ME1 but then gradually lost it and became a bit intrusive in 3. Assuming direct control happened to her.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 08:59 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

I smell an Ashley Willams Mancer?
I went Liare>Tali>Liara

Ashley -> Miranda -> Miranda here. She locked out all the other romances in ME3 though. Posted Image Switched to Liara in ME1 for my Renegade playthrough. Tried Samara but she dumped me (or rather I dumped her). Posted Image


Liara on my first playthrough as male Shep and remained faithful all throughout. But then again I have always been smitten with her type of character, which can be seen in my past romance choices in Bioware games.

Garrus was my femshep romance and he is the funniest romance I have ever met in a Bioware game.

Alistair's was funnier, IMO.


Never did his romance i must admit :)

In general Dragon Age: Origins was a bit of an oddball to me when it came to the romances as I choose Morrigan for my male despite not usaly liking that type of character.

I went back and forth between morrigan and Leliana. Eventually settled with a hardened Leliana.

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Yawn... This thread has gone so much off topic its ridiculious

Modifié par WolfyZA, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:03 .


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WolfyZA wrote...

Yawn... This thread has gone so much off topic its ridiculious

Poor you.

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I haven't invested much time with Dragon Age (too much Mass Effect). How does one harden a character?

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Ugh. I just uninstalled ME3 while cleaning up. Now I have to re install it to do some flycam on that face.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

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Proof of IT

Posted Image
Posted Image

Posted Image


Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

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what about the guy sat up against the rubble, behind the guy about to die? (2nd pic)

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paxxton wrote...

Yeah, Liara had that charm in ME1 but then gradually lost it and became a bit intrusive in 3. Assuming direct control happened to her.


I actually liked Liara´s development, she was less naive than what she was in ME1 true, but with her line of work she had to grow to the task.

One of my favorite moments is actaully during the Shadowbroker DLC as she is very focused on the task ahead, very much not like I remembered her and how it kinda reflected in the many Paragon interupts you could do to make her calm down and not rush ahead. It was a perfect reflection of what I wanted to at that moment. And then as the DLC wrapped up with the scene for those who had romanced her, god that was beatiful.

That was the scene where my Shepard promised her they would grow old together with alot of blue kids...:unsure:

Still the one I want in this game, why I keep holding on. I want a proper ending for my Shepard and Liara, I want to see those blue kids...IT offers me a chance at that.

Not that i dont believe the mountains of hints ;)

Anyway more on topic I hope our Colelctor base choice will be reflected more in the Omega DLC.

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Samtheman63 wrote...

what about the guy sat up against the rubble, behind the guy about to die? (2nd pic)

That guy has a face full of sparkles freckles, if I recall correct.
Doesn't match with that scientist assistant.

Modifié par Restrider, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:22 .


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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I haven't invested much time with Dragon Age (too much Mass Effect). How does one harden a character?


Choose the appropriate dialogue throughout the game and you can make leliana and alistar less idealistic and more cynical. Leliana embraces her dark path, and abandons her search for redemption. Alistar turns his back on his family.

This opens up new reactions with both of them. For example Leliana agrees to a four-some only if she is hardened. Leliana will also abandon you if you defile the sacred halls of the maker, ( you may even have to kill her), but if she's hardened and not in the party while you're doing this she lets it go.

Similar deal for Alistar. He more easily agrees to doing morally grey actions and has a different ending

How we went from all this depth to the shallow, copy paste rooms of dragons age 2 is a mystery
i really should go back and buy the DA origins expansion

Modifié par Dendio1, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:21 .


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@Epyon- I believe that was the guy who killed Dr. Bryson. Leviathan reduced him to a "vegetation" state. There is no way he would be fighting or doing anything. Edit: Unless something else happens to him that I am unaware of.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:23 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

It's not 'done' if its permanently left vague. That's not how it works.


I keep saying this too! IT is only every wrong if they directly contradict it, which wouldn't be that hard, especially since they're planning another game.

Would a boss fight with Harbinger, and an end to the war post breath scene be nice? Sure! I'd love that, but it is in no way required for IT.


paxxton wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Proof of IT

Posted Image
Posted Image

Posted Image


Resisting urge to grasp at straws here, but that definitely seems to be more proof that the entire ending is drawn from Shepard's memory.

Have you been meddling with those screenshots? Posted Image

Straight from the game
1 - Leviathan, indoc guy who shoots the doctor on the citadel
2 - beam
3 - EC

Sorry I was to quick to accuse you of meddling with it. I rewatched the Control ending (in my sig) and there seem to be similarities between the 2 people. Anyway, he uses a M-3 Predator.


That soldier was also added in EC, and I'm assuming Leviathan was fairly under development at that point. It's also worth noting that this scene is the only completely unrequired EC scene, there was no real reason to create it. And that in Destroy, the Marines do really well, but in Control/Synthesis they kinda fail. And the Predator has always been the anti-indoctrination gun. The Marines represent what Shepard is, himself, a soldier, and the husks represent the indoctrination that's trying to take over. Or something like that. At any rate, there's a lot of symbolism in that scene, like the ray of sunshine at the end.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:26 .


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paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Who knows...
Never underestimate a scientist, it could bite you in the butt.
Remember a certain Doctor in ME 1?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Yeah, Liara had that charm in ME1 but then gradually lost it and became a bit intrusive in 3. Assuming direct control happened to her.


I actually liked Liara´s development, she was less naive than what she was in ME1 true, but with her line of work she had to grow to the task.

One of my favorite moments is actaully during the Shadowbroker DLC as she is very focused on the task ahead, very much not like I remembered her and how it kinda reflected in the many Paragon interupts you could do to make her calm down and not rush ahead. It was a perfect reflection of what I wanted to at that moment. And then as the DLC wrapped up with the scene for those who had romanced her, god that was beatiful.

That was the scene where my Shepard promised her they would grow old together with alot of blue kids...:unsure:

Still the one I want in this game, why I keep holding on. I want a proper ending for my Shepard and Liara, I want to see those blue kids...IT offers me a chance at that.

Not that i dont believe the mountains of hints ;)

Anyway more on topic I hope our Colelctor base choice will be reflected more in the Omega DLC.




Agreed, liara had some excellent character development. RIP her innocence from  mass effect 1. Me3 shows she still has love for you, despite being quite a bit more mature in the ways of the world

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Restrider wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Who knows...
Never underestimate a scientist, it could bite you in the butt.
Remember a certain Doctor in ME 1?

Well, Liara is special, gifted. Posted Image

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Samtheman63 wrote...

what about the guy sat up against the rubble, behind the guy about to die? (2nd pic)


Yeah I thought about him. I don't see it.

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paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.


Unless that scientist has military training.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.


Unless that scientist has military training.

Even then he spends most of his time in a lab and his fighting abilities deteriorate.
 
Besides, Bryson's assistant wasn't in the best shape when C-Sec carried him out of Bryson's lab.

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paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Unless that scientist happens to be a nuclear physicist with awesome glasses and a crowbar;)

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BleedingUranium wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

It's not 'done' if its permanently left vague. That's not how it works.


I keep saying this too! IT is only every wrong if they directly contradict it, which wouldn't be that hard, especially since they're planning another game.

Would a boss fight with Harbinger, and an end to the war post breath scene be nice? Sure! I'd love that, but it is in no way required for IT.


paxxton wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

Proof of IT



*snip*


Resisting urge to grasp at straws here, but that definitely seems to be more proof that the entire ending is drawn from Shepard's memory.

Have you been meddling with those screenshots? Posted Image

Straight from the game
1 - Leviathan, indoc guy who shoots the doctor on the citadel
2 - beam
3 - EC

Sorry I was to quick to accuse you of meddling with it. I rewatched the Control ending (in my sig) and there seem to be similarities between the 2 people. Anyway, he uses a M-3 Predator.


That soldier was also added in EC, and I'm assuming Leviathan was fairly under development at that point. It's also worth noting that this scene is the only completely unrequired EC scene, there was no real reason to create it. And that in Destroy, the Marines do really well, but in Control/Synthesis they kinda fail. And the Predator has always been the anti-indoctrination gun. The Marines represent what Shepard is, himself, a soldier, and the husks represent the indoctrination that's trying to take over. Or something like that. At any rate, there's a lot of symbolism in that scene, like the ray of sunshine at the end.

Perhaps that guy is an inconsistency within Shepard's indoctrination. His purpose being to deliver a message from whatever part of Shepard's mind stayed free of indoc. That's why he uses a Predator.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:45 .