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[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Unless that scientist happens to be a nuclear physicist with awesome glasses and a crowbar;)

ICWYDT.

[Restrider]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Unless that scientist happens to be a nuclear physicist with awesome glasses and a crowbar;)

ICWYDT.

Actually, I had a physics teacher in school. He was one of the strictest teachers I ever had (like smashing the knowledge into his students' head with a crowbar), but he was a good teacher. The fun part is, he looked like an older version of Dr. Freeman.

[smokingotter1]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Might be more representative of Levianthan's presence, he is dieing in water which could be a hint. You know when Leviathan was inside Shepard's head he was in a cold dark wet place.

Leviathan trying to compete with the reapers for control of Shepard at the end but too weak or far away to do anything meaningful.

[paxxton]

Shepard is really messed up in this walkthrough.
http://www.youtube.c...XwgwoF5H0#t=89s

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[Samtheman63]

paxxton wrote...

Shepard is really messed up in this walkthrough.
http://www.youtube.c...XwgwoF5H0#t=89s

haha

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Unless that scientist happens to be a nuclear physicist with awesome glasses and a crowbar;)

ICWYDT.

Actually, I had a physics teacher in school. He was one of the strictest teachers I ever had (like smashing the knowledge into his students' head with a crowbar), but he was a good teacher. The fun part is, he looked like an older version of Dr. Freeman.

You had a RL Half-Life then.  But at least he cared that his students learn physics, which is a squarely positive thing.

[paxxton]

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Ok guy on the ground looks similar but it isn't him. His jaw is way to long and he's missing certain facial features. The guy in the third picture looks the closest, however, it is not impossible for him to be there. After Shepard's report on Leviathan, having him on the field could only help, since Leviathan is a good guy. Doesn't violate anything.

I don't think a scientist would have an adequate training for a battlefield where the fight is the fiercest.

Might be more representative of Levianthan's presence, he is dieing in water which could be a hint. You know when Leviathan was inside Shepard's head he was in a cold dark wet place.

Leviathan trying to compete with the reapers for control of Shepard at the end but too weak or far away to do anything meaningful.

Interesting.

[Restrider]

I wonder...
Now that a new Mass Effect game has been confirmed, and many are implying it should be a sequel, there are a lot of threads that question, if it is possible to do a sequel.
I hear on a regular basis that:
a) Destroy should be canonical
Leviathans are the new threat
c) It is not possible to do a sequel
d) Elephant Theory should be used
e) Lunatic propositions in general (pun intended or not)
I do not see anyone suggesting IT, though I suppose it was quite popular after the original endings and previous to EC and has become something like common knowledge?
I cannot understand why such an elegant way to extend the series with Shepard is ignored by the vast majority, especially since you do not really have to alter that much, everything is right in the game/codex/books/comics?!

[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

I wonder...
Now that a new Mass Effect game has been confirmed, and many are implying it should be a sequel, there are a lot of threads that question, if it is possible to do a sequel.
I hear on a regular basis that:
a) Destroy should be canonical
Leviathans are the new threat
c) It is not possible to do a sequel
d) Elephant Theory should be used
e) Lunatic propositions in general (pun intended or not)
I do not see anyone suggesting IT, though I suppose it was quite popular after the original endings and previous to EC and has become something like common knowledge?
I cannot understand why such an elegant way to extend the series with Shepard is ignored by the vast majority, especially since you do not really have to alter that much, everything is right in the game/codex/books/comics?!

As I understand, the "golden age" of the ITwas between the original endings and the release of the EC. Indeed, my brother told me that over half of BSN believed in it at that point.
I just assumed that after the release of the EC and BioWare's recent statements about not changing the endings, most lost hope.

[Skillz1986]

Dr. Bryson's assistantname is hadley, right?
I wonder whether he's got anything to do with crewman hadley from me 2. The one sitting in on the bridge, whose brother was abducted by the collectors when they hit ferris fields (only referred to by talking npc's, never shown or anything)

[Restrider]

Anyways:
I am off.
With indoctrinated greetings,
your fellow IT-supporter.

[paxxton]

Skillz1986 wrote...

Dr. Bryson's assistantname is hadley, right?
I wonder whether he's got anything to do with crewman hadley from me 2. The one sitting in on the bridge, whose brother was abducted by the collectors when they hit ferris fields (only referred to by talking npc's, never shown or anything)

Could you provide a link to a video?

[Skillz1986]

Nope..i'm just playing it right now and have noticed the name amongst other things (the fact that me 2 is a lot harder than me 3 for instance)...but you can find it on wikipedia.
Crewman Richard HadleyStationed on the command deck and is often chatting with his portside counterpart, Crewman Matthews. Hadley's brother is a colonist on Ferris Fields and, after the attack, a prisoner of the Collectors. He was attacked by a Praetorian when the Collectors launched an attack on the Normandy SR-2. During this time, he constantly yells at Joker, if the player stands idle, to run while battling the Praetorian. If rescued, he will than
k Shepard for coming to get him and the crew.

And here's the link to the wiki

[Skillz1986]

http://masseffect.wi...i/Normandy_SR-2

Sorry

[paxxton]

I don't know. People usually don't return when the Collectors capture them.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[Skillz1986]

Well..i didn't say they do .
Just wondering if they're somehow related. There are not that many name reocurrences throughout the series as far as i remember (but i have not paid any specific attention to it). I just saw the name and wondered...

[smokingotter1]

Some thoughts on religious symbolism, and indoctrination.

Mass Effect borrows heavily from  Christian mythology. Jesus Christ is viewed as a Shepard who guides
Christians. Shepard died and came back to life just like Jesus did. In ME2 Shepard has 12  disciples. Moving on-

I was wondering what the heck the Ilusive Man/Indoctrinated eyes represent. Thinking about religious iconography I came to a conclusion. The reaper indoctrinated eyes are a reference to the holy trinity (and if so indoctrination is similar to that of being a "true believer"). Don't believe me google image search holy trinity, or the son god, and the holy spirit, it's you can even see it represented in a lot of the paintings.







Here is where Bioware turns the story on its head. Its the reapers who view themselves as God like. Indoctrination has the effect of making those under the reapers power view them with "supersititious awe." When TIM was hit with a reaper artifact he gained the "holy trinity" eyes. As the storyline progressed he started to have faith in the reapers, he was getting holy spirt (at least from the reapers point of view).



Here's an interesting take. Shepard's renegade eyes are similar, but the writers choose to make his eyes upside down. What does a upside down Cross represent in Chrisian iconography? The anti-Christ. The twist is the hero is the anti-Christ in this analogy... or the anti-reaper.


Notice Shepard's renegade eyes, the holy trinity symbol is upside down.

Think about it. The reapers are trying to save organics from their sins. The sin is the creation of synthetic life. In order to save them they have to help organics "accend" to reaper form. In order for them to do that they have to have faith in the reapers (indoctrination). The reapers have motivations that they claim are simply "beyond" our comprehension, much like how god works in mysterious ways.

Shepard is trying to undo that. Shepard allied him/herself with one of the seven princes of hell: a beast from the sea Leviathan (as described in Job and Isiah). Shepard carries the mark of the beast (Cerberus). He spreads destructive heresies (at least according to the reapers and indoctrinated agents) that the reapers can be fought if the galaxy unites. Shepard represents Chaos to the Reapers order.  When Shepard chooses the renegade path his synthentic parts that show the upside down trinity burn brighter. Even the destroy choice at the very end of ME3 is renegade. It's not the choice of a true believer.

Shepard is the anti-reaper. Do not believe his heresies.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[smokingotter1]

Extra credit:

Geth worshiping the reapers. A sign of reaper influence/indoctrionation.




and Shepard:

[BleedingUranium]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Some thoughts on religious symbolism, and indoctrination.

Mass Effect borrows heavily from  Christian mythology. Jesus Christ is viewed as a Shepard who guides
Christians. Shepard died and came back to life just like Jesus did. In ME2 Shepard has 12  disciples. Moving on-

I was wondering what the heck the Ilusive Man/Indoctrinated eyes represent. Thinking about religious iconography I came to a conclusion. The reaper indoctrinated eyes are a reference to the holy trinity (and if so indoctrination is similar to that of being a "true believer"). Don't believe me google image search holy trinity, or the son god, and the holy spirit, it's you can even see it represented in a lot of the paintings.







Here is where Bioware turns the story on its head. Its the reapers who view themselves as God like. Indoctrination has the effect of making those under the reapers power view them with "supersititious awe." When TIM was hit with a reaper artifact he gained the "holy trinity" eyes. As the storyline progressed he started to have faith in the reapers, he was getting holy spirt (at least from the reapers point of view).



Here's an interesting take. Shepard's renegade eyes are similar, but the writers choose to make his eyes upside down. What does a upside down Cross represent in Chrisian iconography? The anti-Christ. The twist is the hero is the anti-Christ in this analogy... or the anti-reaper.


Notice Shepard's renegade eyes, the holy trinity symbol is upside down.

Think about it. The reapers are trying to save organics from their sins. The sin is the creation of synthetic life. In order to save them they have to help organics "accend" to reaper form. In order for them to do that they have to have faith in the reapers (indoctrination). The reapers have motivations that they claim are simply "beyond" our comprehension, much like how god works in mysterious ways.

Shepard is trying to undo that. Shepard allied him/herself with one of the seven princes of hell: a beast from the sea Leviathan (as described in Job and Isiah). Shepard carries the mark of the beast (Cerberus). He spreads destructive heresies (at least according to the reapers and indoctrinated agents) that the reapers can be fought if the galaxy unites. Shepard represents Chaos to the Reapers order.  When Shepard chooses the renegade path his synthentic parts that show the upside down trinity burn brighter. Even the destroy choice at the very end of ME3 is renegade. It's not the choice of a true believer.

Shepard is the anti-reaper. Do not believe his heresies.

I'm not religious, but that's really cool!

[smokingotter1]

One last post and I'm done. Notice the Geth are worshiping what looks like fingers digging into the ground- a giant hand.




Look at the control choice, the right you have fingers and you can see the giant tube thumb to the left. The hand of god perhaps?  Bioware you rock! you're alright...

Modifié par smokingotter1, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Some thoughts on religious symbolism, and indoctrination.

Mass Effect borrows heavily from  Christian mythology. Jesus Christ is viewed as a Shepard who guides
Christians. Shepard died and came back to life just like Jesus did. In ME2 Shepard has 12  disciples. Moving on-

I was wondering what the heck the Ilusive Man/Indoctrinated eyes represent. Thinking about religious iconography I came to a conclusion. The reaper indoctrinated eyes are a reference to the holy trinity (and if so indoctrination is similar to that of being a "true believer"). Don't believe me google image search holy trinity, or the son god, and the holy spirit, it's you can even see it represented in a lot of the paintings.







Here is where Bioware turns the story on its head. Its the reapers who view themselves as God like. Indoctrination has the effect of making those under the reapers power view them with "supersititious awe." When TIM was hit with a reaper artifact he gained the "holy trinity" eyes. As the storyline progressed he started to have faith in the reapers, he was getting holy spirt (at least from the reapers point of view).



Here's an interesting take. Shepard's renegade eyes are similar, but the writers choose to make his eyes upside down. What does a upside down Cross represent in Chrisian iconography? The anti-Christ. The twist is the hero is the anti-Christ in this analogy... or the anti-reaper.


Notice Shepard's renegade eyes, the holy trinity symbol is upside down.

Think about it. The reapers are trying to save organics from their sins. The sin is the creation of synthetic life. In order to save them they have to help organics "accend" to reaper form. In order for them to do that they have to have faith in the reapers (indoctrination). The reapers have motivations that they claim are simply "beyond" our comprehension, much like how god works in mysterious ways.

Shepard is trying to undo that. Shepard allied him/herself with one of the seven princes of hell: a beast from the sea Leviathan (as described in Job and Isiah). Shepard carries the mark of the beast (Cerberus). He spreads destructive heresies (at least according to the reapers and indoctrinated agents) that the reapers can be fought if the galaxy unites. Shepard represents Chaos to the Reapers order.  When Shepard chooses the renegade path his synthentic parts that show the upside down trinity burn brighter. Even the destroy choice at the very end of ME3 is renegade. It's not the choice of a true believer.

Shepard is the anti-reaper. Do not believe his heresies.

I'm not religious, but that's really cool!

It has to do with how the writers of Mass Effect came up with such a compelling story. They used a well-known lore and symbolism (quite common to most cultures on Earth) and wrapped it up in technological goodness. That way the "old stuff" is still there but is not consciously perceived by most players. On a subconscious level, it makes the brain act as if it was dealing with something familiar (hence most people's opinion on ME is higher than it would be otherwise).

Modifié par paxxton, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[Bill Casey]

And Shepard has TIM's eyes in two of the endings...
He is now a true believer...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Skillz1986]

There have been several religious interpretations concerning mass effect...and i favoured none of them. But this one is admittedly solid. Nice one!

[Dwailing]

Wow, pretty deep stuff right now. You know, ME really isn't THAT original. Have any of you seen the trope pages for ANY of the ME games? It's power is in its execution of all these elements.

[demersel]

Aslo the fact that the anti-crist will rise out of eternal sea. In the movie Omen III it is enterpreted as the world of politics. Which is what shapard was - a political pawn - a poster boy.