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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Rob Psyence

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The collectors are on Omega in the comic before Cerberus attacks. I'm pretty sure.

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While it would be cool to fight the Collectors again I think it’s more likely that the main enemies will be Cerberus troops and Adjutants.

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FFZero wrote...

While it would be cool to fight the Collectors again I think it’s more likely that the main enemies will be Cerberus troops and Adjutants.


I'd agree, the collectors would probably die in the initial cut scene lol

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We could get Adjutants and Collectors in multiplayer. A massive multiplayer update is what it needs :D
Although if collectors are back, do you guys actually want Harbinger yelling abuse at you every 5 seconds? I want more harbinger but that WAS kind of annoying...

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I'm half kidding, but they should add the Elcor and Volus races to multi-player lol

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Rob Psyence wrote...

I'm half kidding, but they should add the Elcor and Volus races to multi-player lol


Idd love to see Rachni in the MP.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I think it is strange that of you don't beat Arrival Shepard has the same vision as was described as a nightmare by one of the indoctrinated scientist on the ship.

This information is from Prettz Zell's video.

That's weird; I don't find it odd at all. Posted Image


This video is really good. It's kind of freaking me out tho.


What is the link again?

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I think it is strange that of you don't beat Arrival Shepard has the same vision as was described as a nightmare by one of the indoctrinated scientist on the ship.

This information is from Prettz Zell's video.

That's weird; I don't find it odd at all. Posted Image


This video is really good. It's kind of freaking me out tho.

How exactly is it freaking you out?:mellow:

Modifié par prettz, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .


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prettz wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I think it is strange that of you don't beat Arrival Shepard has the same vision as was described as a nightmare by one of the indoctrinated scientist on the ship.

This information is from Prettz Zell's video.

That's weird; I don't find it odd at all. Posted Image


This video is really good. It's kind of freaking me out tho.

How exactly is it freaking you out?:mellow:

No it's a good thing. It was all the creepy indoctrination noises...I was home alone in the dark so yeah. lol.

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Wall Of Text time! Posted Image

This is everything Leviathan says inside Shepard's head. It's sorted by which avatar he is using at the time, in response to Punny's post about the symbolism of the character's used.

I've found a few patterns, but for now I'll just post it and see what you all think of it.



Derek Hadley

*None have possessed the strength in past cycles. Your own species could be destroyed with a single thought.

*Before the cycles, our kind was the apex of life in the galaxy. The lesser species were in our thrall, serving our needs. We grew more powerful, and they were cared for. But we could not protect them from themselves. Over time, the species built machines that then destroyed them. Tribute does not flow from a dead race.

*You cannot conceive of a galaxy that bends to your will. Every creature, every nation, every planet we discovered became our tools. We were above the concerns of lesser species. The Intelligence was envisioned as simply another tool.

*There was no mistake. It still serves its purpose.

*To find a solution, it needed information—physical data drawn for organic life in the cosmos. It created an army of pawns that searched the galaxy, gathering this data. There was no warning, no reason given when they turned against us. Only slaughter. Only the harvest.

*We will fight. But not for you, or any lesser race. We were the first, the apex race. We will survive.



Alex Garneau (Fake)

*But you are different.

*I have witnessed your actions in this cycle: the destruction of Sovereign; the fall of the Collectors. The Reapers perceive you as a threat.

*In that instant, it betrayed us. It chose our kind as the first harvest. From our essence, the first Reaper was created. You call it Harbinger.

*Our extermination was not complete. Some survived and found refuge in the dark corners of the galaxy. I am their progeny. Over the cycles, the thrall races were controlled, removing traces of our existence as we directed them to. In this way, our survival was kept secret from the Reapers. Today, we reach out through the fragments and watch for discovery.

*They provide a window into the galaxy. Tools for exploring the events of this cycle from the safety of this world. Through them, we watch, we study, and remain in the shadows.

*(Shifty eyes) We have watched its construction before. It has never been completed. Those who have tried still fell victim to the harvest. Its outcome is unknown.

*It is clear why the Reapers perceive you as a threat. Your victories are more than a product of chance.



Ann Bryson

*Your mind belongs to me. Breathe.

*Your memories give voice to our words. Your nature will be revealed to us. Accept this.

*There is no war. There is only the harvest.

*And I must understand why.

*To solve this problem, we created an Intelligence with the mandate to preserve life at any cost. As the Intelligence evolved, it studied the development of civilizations. Its understanding grew until it found a solution.

*Each harvest ends with the birth of a Reaper. Perfect in its design. Each formed in Harbinger’s image. Our image. Each Reaper has the power to influence organics. Over countless cycles, this ability was refined, perfected, and gave rise to indoctrination.

*The Intelligence has one purpose: preservation of life. That purpose has not been fulfilled. It directed the Reapers to create the mass relays—to speed the time between cycles for greatest efficiency. The galaxy itself became an experiment. Evolution its tool.

*Unknown. Until the Intelligence finds what it is looking for, the harvest will continue.

*I have searched you mind. You are an anomaly—yet that is not enough.

*The cycle will continue.

*We will survive. You will remain here as a servant of our needs. The Reapers will harvest the rest.

*Nothing will change.

*Your confidence is singular.

*And the Reapers who trespass on this world will understand our power. They will become our slaves. Today, they pay their tribute in blood.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

prettz wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I think it is strange that of you don't beat Arrival Shepard has the same vision as was described as a nightmare by one of the indoctrinated scientist on the ship.

This information is from Prettz Zell's video.

That's weird; I don't find it odd at all. Posted Image


This video is really good. It's kind of freaking me out tho.

How exactly is it freaking you out?:mellow:

No it's a good thing. It was all the creepy indoctrination noises...I was home alone in the dark so yeah. lol.


:lol:I see, was just curious.
funny thing is some people find the illusive man from my coats vid to be funny but then they take a closer look at his photo and freak outB)

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prettz wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

prettz wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

I think it is strange that of you don't beat Arrival Shepard has the same vision as was described as a nightmare by one of the indoctrinated scientist on the ship.

This information is from Prettz Zell's video.

That's weird; I don't find it odd at all. Posted Image


This video is really good. It's kind of freaking me out tho.

How exactly is it freaking you out?:mellow:

No it's a good thing. It was all the creepy indoctrination noises...I was home alone in the dark so yeah. lol.


:lol:I see, was just curious.
funny thing is some people find the illusive man from my coats vid to be funny but then they take a closer look at his photo and freak outB)

 You gonna make a Leviathan video?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Wall Of Text time! Posted Image


Sweet, that's handy and enlightenin BU! Going to read it again. :o

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BleedingUranium wrote...

The Reapers perceive you as a threat.

And thus are going to let you choose their fate without any kind of funny business.

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Ace7 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wall Of Text time! Posted Image


Sweet, that's handy and enlightenin BU! Going to read it again. :o



I'll probably repost it sometime tomorrow as well, as there will always be people who miss it.

Except Banshee, who misses nothing Posted Image

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MissMaster_2 wrote...


 You gonna make a Leviathan video?

probably but it' will be difucult. lerning that Levi was the apex race that crated the AI devalued the Mass Effect universe for me:? hope they make  the AI interesting in finding out what it is searching for all this time. unless it's synthesis:sick: 

ah sleepy-_-
going to bed

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prettz wrote...
lerning that Levi was the apex race that crated the AI devalued the Mass Effect universe for me:?


Why? Posted Image

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Enemies become less frightening when you remove the mystery about them.

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Any of you have Prettz' IT video link please? cheers :)

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RavenEyry wrote...

Enemies become less frightening when you remove the mystery about them.


I suppose, but I've never liked mysterious enemies, unless the mystery is planned on being revealed at some point. More information is always good; that's something I think about any subject. If I was able to know everything about everything ever, I would want to. And to me, the Reapers are still pretty goddamn frightening!

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wall Of Text time! Posted Image


Sweet, that's handy and enlightenin BU! Going to read it again. :o



I'll probably repost it sometime tomorrow as well, as there will always be people who miss it.

Except Banshee, who misses nothing Posted Image


I'm curious as to the patterns you have observed in that conversation.

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Mass Effect 1
Reapers-Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you
touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. There
is a realm of existence, so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine
it. I, am beyond your comprehension. I, am Sovereign.

My kind transcends your very understanding, we are
each a nation, independent, free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp
the nature of our existence.
:o

Mass Effect 3
reapers-Just kidding.
:o

Jere85 wrote...

Any of you have Prettz' IT video link please? cheers :)

www.youtube.com/watch



wait, why am I still up:whistle:

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Ace7 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Ace7 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Wall Of Text time! Posted Image


Sweet, that's handy and enlightenin BU! Going to read it again. Posted Image



I'll probably repost it sometime tomorrow as well, as there will always be people who miss it.

Except Banshee, who misses nothing Posted Image


I'm curious as to the patterns you have observed in that conversation.


Well, Ann just seems to be Leviathan's standard avatar, he spends most of the time as her, and the dialogue is varied while being pretty normal.

Hadley, is used when talking about the Leviathans, their past empire, and their history, even the last line as Hadley fits this. This makes sense, given that he works in a lab, and studies ancient stuff.

The (fake!) Garneau is very interesting. First, in real life he was an imposter. Some guy that you thought was Garneau, it was a deception. That dishonesty fits nicely with what he talks about. I'll sum up what he says here:

*But you are different. *You're awesome and special!*

*I have witnessed your actions in this cycle: the destruction of Sovereign; the fall of the Collectors. The Reapers perceive you as a threat. *You're super awesome and special!*

*In that instant, it betrayed us. It chose our kind as the first harvest. From our essence, the first Reaper was created. You call it Harbinger. *Reminder about Harbinger. Note that this line does not say that the AI and Harbinger are seperate beings, and does mention them at the same time*

*Our extermination was not complete. Some survived and found refuge in the dark corners of the galaxy. I am their progeny. Over the cycles, the thrall races were controlled, removing traces of our existence as we directed them to. In this way, our survival was kept secret from the Reapers. Today, we reach out through the fragments and watch for discovery. *We have leet Assuming Direct Control balls*

*They provide a window into the galaxy. Tools for exploring the events of this cycle from the safety of this world. Through them, we watch, we study, and remain in the shadows. *We have more leet Assuming Direct Control balls*

*(Shifty eyes) We have watched its construction before. It has never been completed. Those who have tried still fell victim to the harvest. Its outcome is unknown. *The Crucible's totally legit! You can trust me, I'm a Leviathan!*

*It is clear why the Reapers perceive you as a threat. Your victories are more than a product of chance. *You're super awesome and special, with sprinkles!*

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Thanks man :)

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haha. Nice.