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[paxxton]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Although I LOVE the idea of Indoctrination Theory...
can we all just accept that
it is NOT the case, it is not and SHOULD not happen, and move on with
ME3 as it is?

Thank you.

I honestly applaud all the
effort, thought, and imagination put into it, but I think at this point
it's quite obvious it was NOT Bioware/EA's intention and that they are
not going to change it now for the sake of saving face.

Again, a GREAT idea, but it just isn't the case.

And you are right. ME3 is complete. IT has been left for the future games. But you must see that there's some big mind****ing going on in ME3. It's just improbable for it to be a sheer coincidence.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Ice Cold J]

Ithurael wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Although I LOVE the idea of Indoctrination Theory...
can we all just accept that
it is NOT the case, it is not and SHOULD not happen, and move on with
ME3 as it is?

Thank you.

I honestly applaud all the
effort, thought, and imagination put into it, but I think at this point
it's quite obvious it was NOT Bioware/EA's intention and that they are
not going to change it now for the sake of saving face.

Again, a GREAT idea, but it just isn't the case.

There is more to IT than just IT dream.

A few sects belive that the ending did happen but it was all a con, some go for a waking nightmare. I do wonder how many people still believe that the ending was all in sheps head and he was dreaming though. That would be interesting.

Maybe I'm not following you...

...but haven't pretty much EVERYONE at BW/EA said taht the ending will remain the same, no matter what we come up with?

I'm all for headcanon, but the people who wrote the game have the final say in how it ends, IMO.

[BleedingUranium]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Although I LOVE the idea of Indoctrination Theory...
can we all just accept that
it is NOT the case, it is not and SHOULD not happen, and move on with
ME3 as it is?

Thank you.

I honestly applaud all the
effort, thought, and imagination put into it, but I think at this point
it's quite obvious it was NOT Bioware/EA's intention and that they are
not going to change it now for the sake of saving face.

Again, a GREAT idea, but it just isn't the case.

Well, since IT has been stated to be equally as valid as the literal interpretation...

EDIT: Wow, I got super 'd!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:29 .

[Ice Cold J]

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

[Ithurael]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Although I LOVE the idea of Indoctrination Theory...
can we all just accept that
it is NOT the case, it is not and SHOULD not happen, and move on with
ME3 as it is?

Thank you.

I honestly applaud all the
effort, thought, and imagination put into it, but I think at this point
it's quite obvious it was NOT Bioware/EA's intention and that they are
not going to change it now for the sake of saving face.

Again, a GREAT idea, but it just isn't the case.

There is more to IT than just IT dream.

A few sects belive that the ending did happen but it was all a con, some go for a waking nightmare. I do wonder how many people still believe that the ending was all in sheps head and he was dreaming though. That would be interesting.

Maybe I'm not following you...

...but haven't pretty much EVERYONE at BW/EA said taht the ending will remain the same, no matter what we come up with?

I'm all for headcanon, but the people who wrote the game have the final say in how it ends, IMO.

The devs and writers do have a say, but that doesn't mean that someone's interpretation is wrong or they should let it go. Some variants of IT are very plausible. Some maybe not so much. But I don't think that people should give up on an interpretation.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Maybe I'm not following you...

...but haven't pretty much EVERYONE at BW/EA said taht the ending will remain the same, no matter what we come up with?

I'm all for headcanon, but the people who wrote the game have the final say in how it ends, IMO.

They said the ending wouldnt change...and then slapped on refuse changing the ending...or if you wanna get technical added a new ending.

[Lakeshow1986]

Is it safe to assume that the conduit on earth at the end of the final push is a reaper artifact? Replaying through ME1&2 it just seems to follow suit of the bright lights and protective arms. Also it makes that weird artifact noise just as your about to be shot by Harby.

[Ice Cold J]

SwobyJ wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

Yeah but I've never seen a Bioware game with such huge number of glaring plotholes. Even DAII and ME2 made a ton more sense.

...and that's where EA comes in.

Just my opinion, though.

[paxxton]

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

[BleedingUranium]

EpyonX3 wrote...


So those who believe that SHepard can be indoctrinated by small contact with reapers over the course of two to three years might be wrong.

In reponse to your comment about Leviathan indoctrination, it's not indoctrination. It's ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. The two things are almost entirely unrelated, and we have no evidence to suggest Leviathans can indoctrinate people.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

Yes...

But then it is the biggest concentration of plot holes in an ending I have ever seen, especially considering the ending is one of the most important things to a storydriven game.

Also by complete coincedence all those plotholes can be easily explained off by a known Mind Control effect used by the enemy of the series. Said Mind Control effect also causes a number of side effects in its victim which are present in Shepard and the game...

[Ice Cold J]

Ithurael wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Although I LOVE the idea of Indoctrination Theory...
can we all just accept that
it is NOT the case, it is not and SHOULD not happen, and move on with
ME3 as it is?

Thank you.

I honestly applaud all the
effort, thought, and imagination put into it, but I think at this point
it's quite obvious it was NOT Bioware/EA's intention and that they are
not going to change it now for the sake of saving face.

Again, a GREAT idea, but it just isn't the case.

There is more to IT than just IT dream.

A few sects belive that the ending did happen but it was all a con, some go for a waking nightmare. I do wonder how many people still believe that the ending was all in sheps head and he was dreaming though. That would be interesting.

Maybe I'm not following you...

...but haven't pretty much EVERYONE at BW/EA said taht the ending will remain the same, no matter what we come up with?

I'm all for headcanon, but the people who wrote the game have the final say in how it ends, IMO.

The devs and writers do have a say, but that doesn't mean that someone's interpretation is wrong or they should let it go. Some variants of IT are very plausible. Some maybe not so much. But I don't think that people should give up on an interpretation.

Interpretation is one thing, but we're saying taht the ending isn't really the ending... doesn't make sense to me.

If a musician wrote a piece of music, but people felt it didn't end "properly," does that mean that the interpretation of the listener should supercede the act of the artist?

[Ice Cold J]

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Rushed to meet deadlines, IMO...

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Especially now that DLC is coming out, that's "good writing" like the rest of ME3.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Ice Cold J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Rushed to meet deadlines, IMO...

A game is not made in a linear fashion, they dont work from the begnning towards the end. If anything if deadlines are drawing close content is cut from the middle of the game, not the end.

[BleedingUranium]

Ice Cold J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Rushed to meet deadlines, IMO...

Except that's not at all how stories are written or put together.

Blah 'd

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[paxxton]

Ice Cold J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Rushed to meet deadlines, IMO...

Nah. They designed the game beforehand. It's not like they wrote a book, from start to finish. They could've worked on the ending simultaneously with the main part.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:40 .

[Ice Cold J]

You are all right, it's NOT how a game is necessarily put together.

But, in this instance, I can see it being a very valid possibility. Especially given all the evidence I've seen regarding it.
The rest of the game is very well done, but the ending seems rushed and thrown together in a non-sensical way. Perhaps they were trying to minimize leaks at the company, so they saved all the designing for the ending for last. Maybe Mac and Casey just wrote an absolute turkey and thought it was going to satisfy the fanbase.
Is what I'm saying fact? No. But given some evidence I've seen, it is plausible.