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[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Especially now that DLC is coming out, that's "good writing" like the rest of ME3.

I've pretty much moved past any anger I've had towards Bioware and I'm strongly looking forward to Omega and any 1-2 more DLCs they come up with, especially if an outright ME4 is announced.

Because I think I know where they're going with this, and it may be glorious.

Mind sharing that knowledge with us?

Modifié par paxxton, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[Restrider]

If you try to design a plot, you usually start at the ending.
Addendum:
Imagine Mac and Casey really rushed the ending and delivered a turkey, hoping the community would swallow it?
After that sh!tstorm, new announced content and a viable (and after the original endings adopted by a majority of the community) work-around to fix all the plotholes with lore, do you really think they would not try to fix the ending and stick to the mess they left?

Modifié par Restrider, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

ME3 was already in early development when ME2 came out lol. Both ME2 and ME3 are the same larger story (of course taking material and inspiration from ME1, but ME1 is clearly its own separate thing).

It's only its own seperate thing in terms of the gameplay elements, and even then it's not drastically different. What makes Mass Effect such a great series is that is was planned to be a trilogy from the beginning, allowing for more indepth stories than most universes.

The Geth not being evil twist and the Genophage arc were very much foreshadowed in ME1, along with a lot of other themes, like aliens aren't really that different, and from that, galactic unity, like we have in ME3. Even a lot of IT elements are taken directly from ME1.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Ice Cold J wrote...

You are all right, it's NOT how a game is necessarily put together.

But, in this instance, I can see it being a very valid possibility. Especially given all the evidence I've seen regarding it.
The rest of the game is very well done, but the ending seems rushed and thrown together in a non-sensical way. Perhaps they were trying to minimize leaks at the company, so they saved all the designing for the ending for last. Maybe Mac and Casey just wrote an absolute turkey and thought it was going to satisfy the fanbase.
Is what I'm saying fact? No. But given some evidence I've seen, it is plausible.

Would you mind pointing us towards that evidence then?

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

ME3 was already in early development when ME2 came out lol. Both ME2 and ME3 are the same larger story (of course taking material and inspiration from ME1, but ME1 is clearly its own separate thing).

It's only its own seperate thing in terms of the gameplay elements, and even then it's not drastically different. What makes Mass Effect such a great series is that is was planned to be a trilogy from the beginning, allowing for more indepth stories than most universes.

The Geth not being evil twist and the Genophage arc were very much foreshadowed in ME1, along with a lot of other themes, like aliens aren't really that different, and from that, galactic unity, like we have in ME3. Even a lot of IT elements are taken directly from ME1.

I agree actually. What I mean is that ME1 seems like its own project without synergy with other projects. Once ME1 was done, THEN ME2 got greenlit, but also like ME3 as well.

I'm certainly aware of ME1's foreshadowing

Ah, sorry. We're on the same page then.

[spotlessvoid]

" Is what I'm saying fact? No. But given some evidence I've seen, it is plausible."

So does IT, but you don't see us telling you to drop your literal interpretation

[FFZero]

Ice Cold J wrote...

You are all right, it's NOT how a game is necessarily put together.

But, in this instance, I can see it being a very valid possibility. Especially given all the evidence I've seen regarding it.
The rest of the game is very well done, but the ending seems rushed and thrown together in a non-sensical way. Perhaps they were trying to minimize leaks at the company, so they saved all the designing for the ending for last. Maybe Mac and Casey just wrote an absolute turkey and thought it was going to satisfy the fanbase.
Is what I'm saying fact? No. But given some evidence I've seen, it is plausible.

Okay what is this evidence you speak of?

And have you by any chance read anything from the Final Hours app? There is a section that says Bioware were trying to implement a game mechanic where Shepard falls under full Reaper control. Right there in black and white it says Shepard is/was supposed to be indoctrinated, the only reason it isn’t in the game is because the mechanic they were toying with didn’t really blend well with the gameplay. It’s never said that they dropped that plot thread.

[BleedingUranium]

I think it's very interesting we have absolutly no idea what the third DLC is going to be. My theory is it's post breath scene and will be at the Rio facility, but we don't technically have any info on the DLC itself, like leaks, or game files, etc. If they keep this up until it launches or right before, it will be even more interesting, as my understanding is that every ME DLC ever has been leaked before it was released.

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Especially now that DLC is coming out, that's "good writing" like the rest of ME3.

I've pretty much moved past any anger I've had towards Bioware and I'm strongly looking forward to Omega and any 1-2 more DLCs they come up with, especially if an outright ME4 is announced.

Because I think I know where they're going with this, and it may be glorious.

Mind sharing that knowledge with us?

I already said.

-Omega
-Rio
-Mass Effect 4

ME4 would be focused on entering and destroying the Reapers in Dark Space. Just as consequences from ME1 sidequests were 'resolved' (via misc NPCs etc) in ME2, and larger plotlines are resolved in ME3, ME4 will be the culmination of all major decisions and relationships with characters, including the Crucible Decision.

ME1 starts Shepard's importance, ME2 develops his story, ME3 creates his legacy, ME4 would save the galaxy based on previous games. "ME3 is the game to join in" because ME3 decisions will still allow you to defeat the Reapers. ME2 decisions help and ME1 decisions are nice though.

Of course I could be wrong, completely wrong.

I like that but you forgot about DLC for Act 3.
 
Visiting Dark Space would be epic, almost like entering the Machine City in the Matrix Revolutions.

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think it's very interesting we have absolutly no idea what the third DLC is going to be. My theory is it's post breath scene and will be at the Rio facility, but we don't technically have any info on the DLC itself, like leaks, or game files, etc. If they keep this up until it launches or right before, it will be even more interesting, as my understanding is that every ME DLC ever has been leaked before it was released.

Honestly I think a post-breath DLC is possible for every ending with IT. Just... players might be a little shocked at how Synthesis-Shepard acts.

Yes! I certainly hope for a post breath DLC, though I'd be okay without one. However, if they do do one, I really want Synthesis and Control players to have to see exactly what they've done!

[FFZero]

Well there is the rumoured Citadel DLC which I’m more curious about the at this point than Omega DLC. I keep trying to think of what the plot behind it could be, with other DLC we’ve sort of been able to guess a little bit as to what’s going to happen, however with this Citadel DLC unless it’s tied to the Coup attempt I can’t see what kind of story they could have on the Citadel that isn’t to do with the ending.

[Dendio1]

IT doesn't have to live or die based on whether the ending was just a dream.

The endings could be real and shepard's dream sequences/other oddities centered around the kid could be the direct result of his series long exposure to reaper tech.

Both sides can co-exist

[paxxton]

SwobyJ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

And isn't it just possible that the ending was poorly done with a lot of plotholes?

And why only the ending? Why such a stark contrast to the rest of the game?

Especially now that DLC is coming out, that's "good writing" like the rest of ME3.

I've pretty much moved past any anger I've had towards Bioware and I'm strongly looking forward to Omega and any 1-2 more DLCs they come up with, especially if an outright ME4 is announced.

Because I think I know where they're going with this, and it may be glorious.

Mind sharing that knowledge with us?

I already said.

-Omega
-Rio
-Mass Effect 4

ME4 would be focused on entering and destroying the Reapers in Dark Space. Just as consequences from ME1 sidequests were 'resolved' (via misc NPCs etc) in ME2, and larger plotlines are resolved in ME3, ME4 will be the culmination of all major decisions and relationships with characters, including the Crucible Decision.

ME1 starts Shepard's importance, ME2 develops his story, ME3 creates his legacy, ME4 would save the galaxy based on previous games. "ME3 is the game to join in" because ME3 decisions will still allow you to defeat the Reapers. ME2 decisions help and ME1 decisions are nice though.

Of course I could be wrong, completely wrong.

I like that but you forgot about DLC for Act 3.
 
Visiting Dark Space would be epic, almost like entering the Machine City in the Matrix Revolutions.

I consider Rio to be the Act 3 one but who knows. It would be nice to get 2 more DLC after Omega

But it can't be because the fleets came to Earth and they hit London directly.

[Home run MF]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think it's very interesting we have absolutly no idea what the third DLC is going to be. My theory is it's post breath scene and will be at the Rio facility, but we don't technically have any info on the DLC itself, like leaks, or game files, etc. If they keep this up until it launches or right before, it will be even more interesting, as my understanding is that every ME DLC ever has been leaked before it was released.

Have you seen this thread?

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

I like that but you forgot about DLC for Act 3.

Act 2, actually. Leviathan can go anywhere, but the feeling of the DLC isn't very desperate. Doing Leviathan after Thessia (Act 3) would feel very strange. Also, because it's Reaper related, it fits best in Act 1. Though, I did it right before Thessia so I could have everyone.

Act 2 is the Geth arc, and we need a Geth related DLC, maybe that cut Xen Citadel encounter/Keepers DLC.

Act 3 is Omega for sure, as it's the Cerberus DLC, and Act 3 is the Cerberus arc (Thessia-Cronos). Also, taking back Omega and then immediately taking Cronos Station would be pretty awesome!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:12 .

[BleedingUranium]

Home run MF wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think it's very interesting we have absolutly no idea what the third DLC is going to be. My theory is it's post breath scene and will be at the Rio facility, but we don't technically have any info on the DLC itself, like leaks, or game files, etc. If they keep this up until it launches or right before, it will be even more interesting, as my understanding is that every ME DLC ever has been leaked before it was released.

Have you seen this thread?

Oh right. Hmm, maybe DLC 3 is that cut Xen/Keeper mission after all!

[paxxton]

Home run MF wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think it's very interesting we have absolutly no idea what the third DLC is going to be. My theory is it's post breath scene and will be at the Rio facility, but we don't technically have any info on the DLC itself, like leaks, or game files, etc. If they keep this up until it launches or right before, it will be even more interesting, as my understanding is that every ME DLC ever has been leaked before it was released.

Have you seen this thread?

As I understand the naming scheme, we'll get to visit Omega before the events of Leviathan DLC, possibly to witness Cerberus taking the station over (might involve a cool space battle cinematic ), and the main part will take place in Act 2, possibly depicting taking Omega back in an act of retaliation for the coup.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:18 .

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I think it's very interesting we have absolutly no idea what the third DLC is going to be. My theory is it's post breath scene and will be at the Rio facility, but we don't technically have any info on the DLC itself, like leaks, or game files, etc. If they keep this up until it launches or right before, it will be even more interesting, as my understanding is that every ME DLC ever has been leaked before it was released.

Have you seen this thread?

Oh right. Hmm, maybe DLC 3 is that cut Xen/Keeper mission after all!

Or Shepard using a ladder instead of falling off the Citadel Embassies floor into the world of low-res sprites.  

Modifié par paxxton, 20 septembre 2012 - 08:17 .