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[paxxton]

IsaacShep wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

lol changing your mind is not being recreated.

Of course, which is why it wouldn't make sense for him to say "I was first created" if Leviathans didn't recreate him

Maybe the Reapers did something to him, like installed shackles to prevent him from changing his mind, and the Crucible is an unshackling device.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Eryri wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


And going to a Citadel like structure in Dark Space could give us our means to defeat them as well. Arrival showed us what happens when you destroy a Mass Relay, the Citadel or something similar is just a large Mass Relay. Going to dark space and somehow overloading/smashing the Mass Relay there would destroy any Reapers there without harming the galaxy.

And that is where the Crucible could come in, a way to force the Citadel relay open and with the Reaper IFF we could also use it.

I like that idea for an ending. How would you deal with the other Reapers scattered around the galaxy though?

Well if we opened the Citadel Mass relay and headed through with the fleet I would imagine most of the Reaper at Earth would follow us.

Then two problems would be present. How to smash the Relay at the other end and how to get back through the Relay without letting the Reapers do the same. But if pulled off well enough (read high enough EMS) we might still have a fleet large enough to deal with the surviving Reapers or maybe they choose to retreat to the far corners of the galaxy, waiting and plotting.

I persoanlly would like a few Reapers to survive. Not to necesarily show up as main enemies in later games, but more so you dont loose the possibility of indoctrination and the general idea of their pressence.

[spotlessvoid]

IsaacShep wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

lol changing your mind is not being recreated.

Of course, which is why it wouldn't make sense for him to say "I was first created" if Leviathans didn't recreate him

Thats a huge leap of logic youre making.
"I was first created to do this thing but then as I evolved I started doing this other thing"
Tada! No need to be recreated!

[Eryri]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


And going to a Citadel like structure in Dark Space could give us our means to defeat them as well. Arrival showed us what happens when you destroy a Mass Relay, the Citadel or something similar is just a large Mass Relay. Going to dark space and somehow overloading/smashing the Mass Relay there would destroy any Reapers there without harming the galaxy.

And that is where the Crucible could come in, a way to force the Citadel relay open and with the Reaper IFF we could also use it.

I like that idea for an ending. How would you deal with the other Reapers scattered around the galaxy though?

Well if we opened the Citadel Mass relay and headed through with the fleet I would imagine most of the Reaper at Earth would follow us.

Then two problems would be present. How to smash the Relay at the other end and how to get back through the Relay without letting the Reapers do the same. But if pulled off well enough (read high enough EMS) we might still have a fleet large enough to deal with the surviving Reapers or maybe they choose to retreat to the far corners of the galaxy, waiting and plotting.

I persoanlly would like a few Reapers to survive. Not to necesarily show up as main enemies in later games, but more so you dont loose the possibility of indoctrination and the general idea of their pressence.

Me too. I like the idea of a few reapers surviving in dark corners of the galaxy as a scary legend.

The race back through the relay before it detonates could be an exciting finale too.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...


And going to a Citadel like structure in Dark Space could give us our means to defeat them as well. Arrival showed us what happens when you destroy a Mass Relay, the Citadel or something similar is just a large Mass Relay. Going to dark space and somehow overloading/smashing the Mass Relay there would destroy any Reapers there without harming the galaxy.

And that is where the Crucible could come in, a way to force the Citadel relay open and with the Reaper IFF we could also use it.

I like that idea for an ending. How would you deal with the other Reapers scattered around the galaxy though?

Well if we opened the Citadel Mass relay and headed through with the fleet I would imagine most of the Reaper at Earth would follow us.

Then two problems would be present. How to smash the Relay at the other end and how to get back through the Relay without letting the Reapers do the same. But if pulled off well enough (read high enough EMS) we might still have a fleet large enough to deal with the surviving Reapers or maybe they choose to retreat to the far corners of the galaxy, waiting and plotting.

I persoanlly would like a few Reapers to survive. Not to necesarily show up as main enemies in later games, but more so you dont loose the possibility of indoctrination and the general idea of their pressence.

A flight through the Citadel relay might be a one-way trip though.

Yes, if anything, some of the Reapers should survive into the post-war reality as an echo of the past in ME4.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

(snip)

paxxton wrote...

A flight through the Citadel relay might be a one-way trip though.

Yes, if anything, some of the Reapers should survive into the post-war reality as an echo of the past in ME4.

Thats what they said about the Omega-4 Relay as well

The difference is just we would need to get a fleet with us back again...and hopefully not the Reaper fleet.

Though even if the Reaper fleet gets back through with us they loose their safe heaven for resting those 50.000 years between cycles and possibly more. We never have gotten an answer to what kind of power source the Reapers use, maybe it is tied to their station in Dark Space?

Also now taht I think about it it would not be impossible to pull of a retreat where the Reapers are unable to follow. The Reapers ship size gives them one big weakness, they cant make sharp turns without drawing power away from their shields, making them vulnerable to far lower intensities of weaponry.

Shortly said if forced to turn quickly to escape through the relay they would be vulnerable.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 21 septembre 2012 - 08:23 .

[Eryri]

Did we ever find out what happened to the Consort? I'd be quite interested to see what she thought of Shepard's state of mind in future DLC. There seems to be more to her abilities than the bog-standard Asari mind-meld.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

(snip)

paxxton wrote...

A flight through the Citadel relay might be a one-way trip though.

Yes, if anything, some of the Reapers should survive into the post-war reality as an echo of the past in ME4.

Thats what they said about the Omega-4 Relay as well

The difference is just we would need to get a fleet with us back again...and hopefully not the Reaper fleet.

Though even if the Reaper fleet gets back through with us they loose their safe heaven for resting those 50.000 years between cycles and possibly more. We never have gotten an answer to what kind of power source the Reapers use, maybe it is tied to their station in Dark Space?

Also now taht I think about it it would not be impossible to pull of a retreat where the Reapers are unable to follow. The Reapers ship size gives them one big weakness, they cant make sharp turns without drawing power away from their shields, making them vulnerable to far lower intensities of weaponry.

Shortly said if forced to turn quickly to escape through the relay they would be vulnerable.

The Reapers enter a pro-longed state of low-power mode between the harvests. Since they don't do anything in that state, I suppose their cores are more than sufficient to sustain low-level functions (like scanning their immediate environment for possible dangers, the option to wake up on-demand).

[Dendio1]

Eryri wrote...

Did we ever find out what happened to the Consort? I'd be quite interested to see what she thought of Shepard's state of mind in future DLC. There seems to be more to her abilities than the bog-standard Asari mind-meld.

unfortunately she was forgotten

[Eryri]

Dendio1 wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Did we ever find out what happened to the Consort? I'd be quite interested to see what she thought of Shepard's state of mind in future DLC. There seems to be more to her abilities than the bog-standard Asari mind-meld.

unfortunately she was forgotten

That's a shame. She was quite a memorable character from ME1. Hopefully she'll turn up on Omega or the hypothesised Citadel DLC?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

(snip)

paxxton wrote...

A flight through the Citadel relay might be a one-way trip though.

Yes, if anything, some of the Reapers should survive into the post-war reality as an echo of the past in ME4.

Thats what they said about the Omega-4 Relay as well

The difference is just we would need to get a fleet with us back again...and hopefully not the Reaper fleet.

Though even if the Reaper fleet gets back through with us they loose their safe heaven for resting those 50.000 years between cycles and possibly more. We never have gotten an answer to what kind of power source the Reapers use, maybe it is tied to their station in Dark Space?

Also now taht I think about it it would not be impossible to pull of a retreat where the Reapers are unable to follow. The Reapers ship size gives them one big weakness, they cant make sharp turns without drawing power away from their shields, making them vulnerable to far lower intensities of weaponry.

Shortly said if forced to turn quickly to escape through the relay they would be vulnerable.

The Reapers enter a pro-longed state of low-power mode between the harvests. Since they don't do anything in that state, I suppose their cores are more than sufficient to sustain low-level functions (like scanning their immediate environment for possible dangers, the option to wake up on-demand).

That is theory, we havent actually ever seen a Reaper in its low-power mode have we? Though the mere fact that they need to enter a low power made means their energy is not limitless.

[Hrothdane]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

That is theory, we havent actually ever seen a Reaper in its low-power mode have we? Though the mere fact that they need to enter a low power made means their energy is not limitless.

I believe Vigil tells us that the Reapers hibernate in dark space in order to conserve energy.

Modifié par Hrothdane, 21 septembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Rifneno]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I hate the idea that a Reaper is the collective consciousness of the harvested race. I just refuse to believe Reaper paste is sentient. You break an organic down into slime and there's no mental processes continuing to occur. That's just impossibly ludicrous.
The fact that the Reaper Brain is repurposed as a computational device for the crucible implies Reapers have a synthetic minds. It may be a consensus of programs, but it isn't a collective consciousness of organic minds.

Legion: "Billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies."

This is how he describes the geth's interpretation of what Sovereign was when it was communicating with them. Now, if you have an accurate representation of the brain (which is theoretically possible after pasting) you can re-create the organic mind in a computer. Remember that story about the North American president having died and they uploaded his mind into a computer, causing a big legal fiasco over whether the synthetic with his mind was actually him? It's a lot like that, except more high tech. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the minds in those Reapers are the people that got pasted. They aren't. They're synthetic Reaper clones that are beyond corrupted. But I do believe the collective consciousness thing is true.

[Samtheman63]

he does, though that is just speculation on his part

[Arashi08]

So I was curious, did anyone, ITer or otherwise ever come up wth a reason why TIM's face while on Chronos Station looks normal after recieving the reaper tech well before the Alliance assaulted the base and yet only on the Citadel does his face look like it was being eaten away by the implants? I'm asking because if someone did I probably missed it.

Only decent one I can think off was that the tech began assimilating him more by the time the fleets arrived at Earth. I suppose this makes the most sense, but we also don't know exactly how long TIM had been implanted prior to conversing with Shepard on Chronos Station. I might have answered my own question but I wanted to see what others thought as well.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Hrothdane wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

That is theory, we havent actually ever seen a Reaper in its low-power mode have we? Though the mere fact that they need to enter a low power made means their energy is not limitless.

I believe Vigil tells us that the Reapers hibernate in dark space in order to conserve energy.

A hypothesis as Vigil also points out. He dosent actually have any way of knowing. But it is a qualified guess.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

Using a turian with a phaeston and a krysae just seems boring, RP or not.

Not that drastic. My Soldier is Garrus, who has a Phaeston (or Argus, can never decide) with a Mantis.

[BleedingUranium]

Arashi08 wrote...

So I was curious, did anyone, ITer or otherwise ever come up wth a reason why TIM's face while on Chronos Station looks normal after recieving the reaper tech well before the Alliance assaulted the base and yet only on the Citadel does his face look like it was being eaten away by the implants? I'm asking because if someone did I probably missed it.

Only decent one I can think off was that the tech began assimilating him more by the time the fleets arrived at Earth. I suppose this makes the most sense, but we also don't know exactly how long TIM had been implanted prior to conversing with Shepard on Chronos Station. I might have answered my own question but I wanted to see what others thought as well.

I always thought of it as, since Citadel TIM is made from Shep's mind, and Shepard knew TIM went under an implantation procedure, that's what Shep envisioned. I think, there's post breath DLC, when we see TIM he'll look like he always has.

[Hrothdane]

So I just finally watched the season premiere of Doctor Who, "Asylum of the Daleks." Besides drawing even MORE parallels between the Daleks and Reapers. Apparently, the Daleks can "indoctrinate" people using nanotechnology dispersed through the air and turn them into techno-organic zombies that glow blue....

The episode has some interesting parallels with IT as well. I highly recommend watching it if you are an IT fan.

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

(snip)

paxxton wrote...

A flight through the Citadel relay might be a one-way trip though.

Yes, if anything, some of the Reapers should survive into the post-war reality as an echo of the past in ME4.

Thats what they said about the Omega-4 Relay as well

The difference is just we would need to get a fleet with us back again...and hopefully not the Reaper fleet.

Though even if the Reaper fleet gets back through with us they loose their safe heaven for resting those 50.000 years between cycles and possibly more. We never have gotten an answer to what kind of power source the Reapers use, maybe it is tied to their station in Dark Space?

Also now taht I think about it it would not be impossible to pull of a retreat where the Reapers are unable to follow. The Reapers ship size gives them one big weakness, they cant make sharp turns without drawing power away from their shields, making them vulnerable to far lower intensities of weaponry.

Shortly said if forced to turn quickly to escape through the relay they would be vulnerable.

The Reapers enter a pro-longed state of low-power mode between the harvests. Since they don't do anything in that state, I suppose their cores are more than sufficient to sustain low-level functions (like scanning their immediate environment for possible dangers, the option to wake up on-demand).

That is theory, we havent actually ever seen a Reaper in its low-power mode have we? Though the mere fact that they need to enter a low power made means their energy is not limitless.

Yes, it's Vigil's theory but makes sense to me. Well, of course their energy reserves are finite. That's why they used to "consume entire stars".

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

(snip)

paxxton wrote...

A flight through the Citadel relay might be a one-way trip though.

Yes, if anything, some of the Reapers should survive into the post-war reality as an echo of the past in ME4.

Thats what they said about the Omega-4 Relay as well

The difference is just we would need to get a fleet with us back again...and hopefully not the Reaper fleet.

Though even if the Reaper fleet gets back through with us they loose their safe heaven for resting those 50.000 years between cycles and possibly more. We never have gotten an answer to what kind of power source the Reapers use, maybe it is tied to their station in Dark Space?

Also now taht I think about it it would not be impossible to pull of a retreat where the Reapers are unable to follow. The Reapers ship size gives them one big weakness, they cant make sharp turns without drawing power away from their shields, making them vulnerable to far lower intensities of weaponry.

Shortly said if forced to turn quickly to escape through the relay they would be vulnerable.

The Reapers enter a pro-longed state of low-power mode between the harvests. Since they don't do anything in that state, I suppose their cores are more than sufficient to sustain low-level functions (like scanning their immediate environment for possible dangers, the option to wake up on-demand).

That is theory, we havent actually ever seen a Reaper in its low-power mode have we? Though the mere fact that they need to enter a low power made means their energy is not limitless.

Yes, it's Vigil's theory but makes sense to me. Well, of course their energy reserves are finite. That's why they used to "consume entire stars".

I had an idea a while back, if the Crucible turns out not to be a trap, maybe it's a device that forces the Reapers into their vulnerable hibernation mode. That'd be pretty cool.

[Arashi08]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Arashi08 wrote...

So I was curious, did anyone, ITer or otherwise ever come up wth a reason why TIM's face while on Chronos Station looks normal after recieving the reaper tech well before the Alliance assaulted the base and yet only on the Citadel does his face look like it was being eaten away by the implants? I'm asking because if someone did I probably missed it.

Only decent one I can think off was that the tech began assimilating him more by the time the fleets arrived at Earth. I suppose this makes the most sense, but we also don't know exactly how long TIM had been implanted prior to conversing with Shepard on Chronos Station. I might have answered my own question but I wanted to see what others thought as well.

I always thought of it as, since Citadel TIM is made from Shep's mind, and Shepard knew TIM went under an implantation procedure, that's what Shep envisioned. I think, there's post breath DLC, when we see TIM he'll look like he always has.

Oops, sorry, I meant to say that I was asking from a literal perspective, a justification for this inconsistency in a literal ending.  if TIM is part of Shepard's dream than it does seem like his appearance would be altered, as people can sometiems look hodepodged in dreams especially when they are associated with something.

[Rifneno]

Man. This squad goal is a pain in the ass with PUGs.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

62 hours and 600,000 Atlas to go ... Let's do this.

Rifneno wrote...

Man. This squad goal is a pain in the ass with PUGs.

Need a hand? I've got all characters unlocked, only my soldier class is capped but if you can stand doing a bronze with the lower levels for the squad goal I'll pitch in. Razgriz280 on Origin I'll be on most of the day.

[dsl08002]

Would be fun if bioware arranged a competition for Me fans like:

Write a IT dlc , win a prize

i would on the same time LOL, but also find it interested