Samtheman63 wrote...
Shepard choosing synthesis, is like a police office bursting into a house with the intent to arrest aload of drug abusing gang members, but then he bumps into the leader who says, "no, dont arrest us, join in".
"ok" says the police officer
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Modifié par paxxton, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:32 .
That, and that the facility is a complete unknown are what sold me on the idea. The Rio forshadowing in a few places is nice too.401 Kill wrote...
I like the connection for "It's always darkest just before dawn" with London being the darkest and Rio being dawn. After London, it can only get better!
TJBartlemus wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
I agree, even if the Crucible's a trap, we could still find out a way to make it work in our favour. One of the most common ideas is that it's a massive indoctrination device, using the relays to pacify the entire galaxy. We could "reverse" it so it would be a mass anti-indoctrination device, unindoctrinating everyone. And if the theory I like about all the Reapers (except Harby/AI) being indoctrinated too turns out to be correct, we're left with a boss battle with Harby. Then the Reapers can go live in another galaxy or something, I dunno.Rankincountry wrote...
D.Sharrah wrote...
My only problem with IT is the fits of paranoia that seem to hit this thread every once in awhile...for me what makes IT so brillant is that it is simple and subtle. But some of things dreamed up in here get so complex that it is mind numbing...
You do realize, that if the Crucible is a trap - all it accomplishes is another plot hole that needs to be filled. Like it or not, the Crucible as a non-trap fills a very important role to the story - a way to defeat the reapers. If its a trap, now you have to come up with a new way to defeat the reapers...fine, but you just spent an entire game building to this point where all of a sudden you go - you did that for nothing.
I know that I am ranting and probably not making alot of sense...but the beauty of IT is that it does not need all the extra complexeties. For me anyways, its power is in its simplicity.
I guess the simplest resolution here would be to turn the crucible to our own ends - whether it's a trap or not, it gives access to the relay network and the ability to generate a vast amount of Dark Energy.
*snip because quoting lists doesn't seem to work*
I am more in favor for a Star Wars EU spin on the Harbinger relationship with the rest of the Reapers. In the EU in the Thrawn Trilogy (the first media that was canon by Lucas after the original trilogy was finished...before the prequels) it is explained that the Emperor has been guiding his troops / focusing them to preform better in combat by using the force. It's also a known fact that Casey Hudson has taken inspiration from scifi like Star Wars. So I think that Harbinger could be focusing his troops and in his death it disorganizes the Reapers. Thus making them easier to defeat.
Just an idea...
Yes, there was foreshadowing for it. With an e.BleedingUranium wrote...
That, and that the facility is a complete unknown are what sold me on the idea. The Rio forshadowing in a few places is nice too.401 Kill wrote...
I like the connection for "It's always darkest just before dawn" with London being the darkest and Rio being dawn. After London, it can only get better!
spotlessvoid wrote...
I think the crucible with destroy being the only option, and it overloading during firing only killing enough Reapers to cause a momentary retreat could really set up me4
Me4 starts with different factions trying to exert dominance in the aftermath until Leviathan come in and start trying to reclaim apex status. In the middle of all that the damned Reapers return
Modifié par BleedingUranium, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:36 .
Modifié par Big_Boss9, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:34 .
BleedingUranium wrote...
That, and that the facility is a complete unknown are what sold me on the idea. The Rio forshadowing in a few places is nice too.401 Kill wrote...
I like the connection for "It's always darkest just before dawn" with London being the darkest and Rio being dawn. After London, it can only get better!
frshdwnBansheeOwnage wrote...
Yes, there was foreshadowing for it. With an e.BleedingUranium wrote...
That, and that the facility is a complete unknown are what sold me on the idea. The Rio forshadowing in a few places is nice too.401 Kill wrote...
I like the connection for "It's always darkest just before dawn" with London being the darkest and Rio being dawn. After London, it can only get better!
Modifié par paxxton, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:37 .
Most of that was written a just after Earth came out, so there are bound to be a couple of things off. I am making a super-secret ending video now.Big_Boss9 wrote...
@BansheeOwnage
Interesting theory about Rio. Hope something comes out of it in future DLC. Also, not to nitpick, but there's nothing in the Earth DLC trailer to indicate that the fleets are arriving soon. Anderson merely says "Until the fleets arrive". His intention of staying behind on Earth was to direct a resistance to hold out ... until the fleets arrive. In fact, I went back and looked at all the Operation descriptions and after action reports and there's really nothing to pin it to a specific place in SP's timeline. Of course, one could be inclined to believe Hellish's theory that MP is but a simulator, but I need to see his theory actually laid out in the video (whenever that's coming) first.
Want another example of detail? Remember when Javik makes fun of the Salarians by saying "They use to eat flies."?Rankincountry wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
That, and that the facility is a complete unknown are what sold me on the idea. The Rio forshadowing in a few places is nice too.401 Kill wrote...
I like the connection for "It's always darkest just before dawn" with London being the darkest and Rio being dawn. After London, it can only get better!
+1 to that. Very interesting and compelling post by Banshee. It's going to be very interesting indeed to see what DLC the next six months or so brings. Could the facility be drilling under the seabed for something vital to the war effort? Would explain the heavy defences and the reapers wanting to hit it.
I think the level of foreshadowing uncovered in this thread pretty much blows the bad writing theory out of the water. The attention to detail in the ME trilogy verges on spectacular at times (though it does make its fair share of slips in some places) and the mix of obvious and subtle symbolism is, I think, really nicely done.
spotlessvoid wrote...
I meant more like merc gangs trying to get footholds while the galactic governments try to rebuild and get prepared for the inevitable return of the Reapers
And the crucible being a giant Reaper death gun is kind of what it's assumed to be.
BleedingUranium wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I think the crucible with destroy being the only option, and it overloading during firing only killing enough Reapers to cause a momentary retreat could really set up me4
Me4 starts with different factions trying to exert dominance in the aftermath until Leviathan come in and start trying to reclaim apex status. In the middle of all that the damned Reapers return
I have two problems with this. Assuming IT, there won't be "options" on the Crucible, it would look and function nothing like it did in Shepard's head. It's still a complete unknown.
The main one, though, is that after the huge theme of unity not only in ME3, but present throughout the series, having everyone fighting after the war would, while probably realistic, be thematically terrible. It'd be like if in Halo 4 they revealed that the Elites stopped being allies with us and we're all fighting again. Luckily, that's not the case.
EDIT: I'm not against there being some conflict, however. Maybe involving the Dalatrass, and we'd get to kill her!
Modifié par TJBartlemus, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:45 .
It's just as good, if not better than the rio analysis (and the rio analysis is one of my favorites). Just out of curiosity, how long does it take you to make posts like that?BansheeOwnage wrote...
Wow, a lot of great feedback. Thanks! What did everyone think of my Extended Cut Wall of Text?
you could even have a govt or two go rogue-Leviathan Indoc yay!BleedingUranium wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I meant more like merc gangs trying to get footholds while the galactic governments try to rebuild and get prepared for the inevitable return of the Reapers
And the crucible being a giant Reaper death gun is kind of what it's assumed to be.
Ah, yeah, that'd be fine
TJBartlemus wrote...
BleedingUranium wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
I think the crucible with destroy being the only option, and it overloading during firing only killing enough Reapers to cause a momentary retreat could really set up me4
Me4 starts with different factions trying to exert dominance in the aftermath until Leviathan come in and start trying to reclaim apex status. In the middle of all that the damned Reapers return
I have two problems with this. Assuming IT, there won't be "options" on the Crucible, it would look and function nothing like it did in Shepard's head. It's still a complete unknown.
The main one, though, is that after the huge theme of unity not only in ME3, but present throughout the series, having everyone fighting after the war would, while probably realistic, be thematically terrible. It'd be like if in Halo 4 they revealed that the Elites stopped being allies with us and we're all fighting again. Luckily, that's not the case.
EDIT: I'm not against there being some conflict, however. Maybe involving the Dalatrass, and we'd get to kill her!
Not to ruin it for ya...but you still are fighting the covenant...that includes elites...
Rankincountry wrote...
I'd also like to officially join the list of people confused about the timeline of Cronos Station and the Citadel moving to Earth. First up, when exactly did TIM get implanted, given that it doesn't show on any of the QEC conversations. Given the nature of QEC, would it even be feasible to send a false transmission, for example to disguise TIM's mutilated face?
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Very interested to know if I've missed or misinterpreted something here or if anyone has any idea how the timeline actually works.
It would be quite illuminatingTheConstantOne wrote...
Rankincountry wrote...
I'd also like to officially join the list of people confused about the timeline of Cronos Station and the Citadel moving to Earth. First up, when exactly did TIM get implanted, given that it doesn't show on any of the QEC conversations. Given the nature of QEC, would it even be feasible to send a false transmission, for example to disguise TIM's mutilated face?
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Very interested to know if I've missed or misinterpreted something here or if anyone has any idea how the timeline actually works.
I myself have been wondering about the exact time of TIM's implantation. We all know that indoctrination can be a subtle process but TIM is strong willed. I could see him making some Reaper inspired decisions but I don't see him going full Reaper pawn throughout ME 3 UNLESS he was implanted before or during the early events of the game.
Despite my vast disagreements with TIM's methods, I do respect the man's abilities so maybe my personal bias is at work here. Still, I think an exact idea of when he was implanted would shed a lot of light on the nature of Cerberus's activities
I usually write on spur of the moment. The Rio one took me probably 30min including finding the video links. The Great Wall (of Text) took me longer, more than a couple of hours straight. The closure section is proving much more difficult for me to write though. I need to plan it more - that's why I haven't posted all of that here yet.401 Kill wrote...
It's just as good, if not better than the rio analysis (and the rio analysis is one of my favorites). Just out of curiosity, how long does it take you to make posts like that?BansheeOwnage wrote...
Wow, a lot of great feedback. Thanks! What did everyone think of my Extended Cut Wall of Text?
Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 22 septembre 2012 - 12:48 .
BleedingUranium wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Not to ruin it for ya...but you still are fighting the covenant...that includes elites...
Lol, I'm well aware of that. You're fighting "Storm", a faction formed from those still loyal to the Covenant religion. Some Elites still follow that doctrine, most don't.
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