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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Super-secret ending video is coming along nicely. It should be done sometime tonight (where I am) after I eat. Posted Image


I'd pay you a bucket of gold to see it Posted Image

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starlitegirlx wrote...

IT is such a mind screw that I find it hard not to love. The only downside is that it leaves the destroy ending as the only one and we aren't sure when it became some kind of attempt at indoctrination.

I had an idea that if they implement IT it would only change destroy. You could have your pretty control and synthesis endings if you want, but this would have you wake up. This would also allow both the literal and IT interpretations to exist at the same time! The only downside is if you like destroy but not IT, which would be odd. Virtually the same thing would happen, just after another epic fight. You could even reuse the EC destroy monologue!!! Finally a good reason for it not to include Shepard!

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Edit: This was a failed attempt at a post that I will not recreate.:crying:

Modifié par 401 Kill, 22 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Super-secret ending video is coming along nicely. It should be done sometime tonight (where I am) after I eat. Posted Image


I'd pay you a bucket of gold to see it Posted Image


Aren't you guys brothers? :huh: It would be cool to have my bro on here.

edit - Anyway...gonna be off for a while. Going to play Halo Reach for a bit. ^_^

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 22 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .


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I still can't help but to feel, that after playing Leviathan, that it is leading up to and Omega will lead up to that final dlc being something major.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Super-secret ending video is coming along nicely. It should be done sometime tonight (where I am) after I eat. Posted Image


I'd pay you a bucket of gold to see it Posted Image


Aren't you guys brothers? :huh: It would be cool to have my bro on here.
edit - Anyway...gonna be off for a while. Going to play Halo Reach for a bit. ^_^

My brother claims that the IT isn't correct, his main argument: Shepard is dead and the breath scene is fake. Ugh.

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@Home Run

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this


Where is vancouver in the game. I don't remember anything like vancouver. These could just be maps they made for the MP or even for elements they didn't use in the game but had plans to use.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Home Run

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this


Where is vancouver in the game. I don't remember anything like vancouver. These could just be maps they made for the MP or even for elements they didn't use in the game but had plans to use.

You're in Vancouver in the game.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Home Run

The existence of Firebase Rio: I'll start here by explaining why I think the map's existence is important. All of the MP maps are based off sections of the SP we've played on with the apparent exception of 2: Firebase Hydra and, now, Firebase Rio. But I don't think Hydra is somewhere we didn't go. Let me explain. As far as we can tell, (credit to BleedingUranium here) Firebase Hydra is most likely the cut beginning of the Geth consensus mission. I'll list the evidence I can think of off the top of my head for this


Where is vancouver in the game. I don't remember anything like vancouver. These could just be maps they made for the MP or even for elements they didn't use in the game but had plans to use.

Vancouver is where you are when the reapers attack in sp (the first mission).

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My brother claims that the IT isn't correct, his main argument: Shepard is dead and the breath scene is fake. Ugh.

What the f...

Fake? If that's "fake" then what's stopping any other part of the end or entire game to be "fake"?

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401 Kill wrote...
My brother claims that the IT isn't correct, his main argument: Shepard is dead and the breath scene is fake. Ugh.

What the f...

Fake? If that's "fake" then what's stopping any other part of the end or entire game to be "fake"?

Exactly, we once spent two hours straight discussing the ending, I was for the IT and he was for "bad writing", it's disappointing, seeing as the only reason I've been playing Mass Effect games is because he played 1&2, and convinced me to try out ME2 first. It took me a year to complete it.

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Here's hoping the final dlc gives us some insight on mass effect 4

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
My brother claims that the IT isn't correct, his main argument: Shepard is dead and the breath scene is fake. Ugh.

What the f...

Fake? If that's "fake" then what's stopping any other part of the end or entire game to be "fake"?

Exactly, we once spent two hours straight discussing the ending, I was for the IT and he was for "bad writing", it's disappointing, seeing as the only reason I've been playing Mass Effect games is because he played 1&2, and convinced me to try out ME2 first. It took me a year to complete it.


Ah yes, the infamous: he was dead all along switcheroo

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I still can't help but to feel, that after playing Leviathan, that it is leading up to and Omega will lead up to that final dlc being something major.


I would merrily repurchase the game and the DLC parts if I ever found out that it it led to something major like a really great IT ending. But I think they really don't want to go that way because it's too savvy for most players. The idea that you just fell into a mind trap would ****** off some people. Egos and all that. They would be angry even though it's such a mindbending twist it would make them think. Not much out there these days that makes people think or delve deeper into stuff. Part of the reason I love IT is because it really does make you think.... like starbrat - he's the image of airplane toy kid, vent kid and dream kid as well as kid on shuttle that goes boom! Attempts at indoctrination after leaving shepard in the room unconscious with reaper tech for two days during arrival. Opens the door to it, but doesn't let it in completely.

Would be nice if they left a lot of other little hints. I think there's one with vega talking about a hum somewhere in the cargo or something. Could also explain the nightmares (which are the worst gameplay ever).

I pray they come out with something that makes IT more than a theory. Especially after leviathan and its abilities. Suddenly we are very much back with indoctrination when it was only fluffed over in ME3 in a few places until the ending, but you would also have to had played ME1 to really undestand it and I suspect a lot of people that love, love, love ME3 didn't play ME1 or at least get into it as someone like we did. Newcomers found ME1 too repetitive. I remember reading that in a lot of posts. They hated it. But all the repetitive stuff is IT. Like they are drilling it into your brain with a plan for it. So it's repetitive to those who just play to play. But for those that really get into the story part, we pay attention and figure this HAS to be important. Also, play ME1 enough times and IT is hard to not see in the ME3 ending. Three choices appear out of the clear blue and two of them are all pie in the sky perfect and just happen to work perfectly for reapers in that you don't destroy them and you die - you, who have been the biggest thorn in their side that they sent the collectors to kill you and then harbinger goes after you all through ME2 whenever you are in collector territory.

Just my 2 cents anyway. God I feel at home in this thread. Though I don't think the crucible was a trick of the reapers. I think it was truly a weapon and the catalyst was meant to be a person or people who made it into the citadel to stop the reapers.

Modifié par starlitegirlx, 22 septembre 2012 - 01:56 .


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Dendio1 wrote...

Here's hoping the final dlc gives us some insight on mass effect 4

I really do not like the idea of a mass effect 4 (this is just my opinion). ME was supposed to be a trilogy, and they could still wrap this up with a DLC/expansion. I would favor something along the lines of "Mass Effect 3 Part 2".

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[quote]starlitegirlx wrote...

[quote]Rob Psyence wrote...

Just my 2 cents anyway. God I feel at home in this thread. Though I don't think the crucible was a trick of the reapers. I think it was truly a weapon and the catalyst was meant to be a person or people who made it into the citadel to stop the reapers.

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I actually think there will be many hints on Omega, but we'll see. I've heard rumours and have done my own speculation about Collectors returning in it, and it seems very likely. Of so, Harbinger would also return. The possibilities are endless for hints there. This thread is full of people who are polite and accepting. That's why we understand the story, because we listen to each other and work together. :)

Also, the crucible could be a trap in IT, but it doesn't have to be.

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401 Kill wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Here's hoping the final dlc gives us some insight on mass effect 4

I really do not like the idea of a mass effect 4 (this is just my opinion). ME was supposed to be a trilogy, and they could still wrap this up with a DLC/expansion. I would favor something along the lines of "Mass Effect 3 Part 2".

I agree. From what I've heard Dragon Age had an expansion called "Awakening" that was like that. I've never played them, so just heard about it in this thread, but even just by name, it sounds similar Posted Image

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So, origin just decided that I should be doing something else mid-game.
What do you guys see as the most likely time for omega to be announced/released?

I figure we should be looking for an announcement at least for the MP DLC this next week.

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TSA_383 wrote...

So, origin just decided that I should be doing something else mid-game.
What do you guys see as the most likely time for omega to be announced/released?

I figure we should be looking for an announcement at least for the MP DLC this next week.

I agree on the last part. Maybe after we beat or lose the challenge? They'll probably try to release Omega before Halo 4.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

So, origin just decided that I should be doing something else mid-game.
What do you guys see as the most likely time for omega to be announced/released?

I figure we should be looking for an announcement at least for the MP DLC this next week.

I agree on the last part. Maybe after we beat or lose the challenge? They'll probably try to release Omega before Halo 4.

What is the release date for Halo 4?

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TSA_383 wrote...

So, origin just decided that I should be doing something else mid-game.
What do you guys see as the most likely time for omega to be announced/released?

I figure we should be looking for an announcement at least for the MP DLC this next week.

If the teaser pic ---> actual launch follows roughly the same timeframe as Leviathan did, October 30th/November 6th seems most likely. Anxious for more MP DLC in the meantime.

Edit: As Banshee said, it would be a bad idea to drop it the same day as Halo 4 (Nov 6th), so hopefully Oct. 30th.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .


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TSA_383 wrote...

I figure we should be looking for an announcement at least for the MP DLC this next week.


Has there even been a MP leak yet? Or did they finally figure out who was leaking and put a stop to it?

Modifié par byne, 22 septembre 2012 - 02:13 .


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Anybody got up to date Leviathan sales numbers?

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byne wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

I figure we should be looking for an announcement at least for the MP DLC this next week.


Has there even been a MP leak yet? Or did they finally figure out who was leaking and put a stop to it?


some poor guy in QA got dragon spiked

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starlitegirlx wrote...

Rob Psyence wrote...

I still can't help but to feel, that after playing Leviathan, that it is leading up to and Omega will lead up to that final dlc being something major.


I would merrily repurchase the game and the DLC parts if I ever found out that it it led to something major like a really great IT ending. But I think they really don't want to go that way because it's too savvy for most players. The idea that you just fell into a mind trap would ****** off some people. Egos and all that. They would be angry even though it's such a mindbending twist it would make them think. Not much out there these days that makes people think or delve deeper into stuff. Part of the reason I love IT is because it really does make you think.... like starbrat - he's the image of airplane toy kid, vent kid and dream kid as well as kid on shuttle that goes boom! Attempts at indoctrination after leaving shepard in the room unconscious with reaper tech for two days during arrival. Opens the door to it, but doesn't let it in completely.

Would be nice if they left a lot of other little hints. I think there's one with vega talking about a hum somewhere in the cargo or something. Could also explain the nightmares (which are the worst gameplay ever).

I pray they come out with something that makes IT more than a theory. Especially after leviathan and its abilities. Suddenly we are very much back with indoctrination when it was only fluffed over in ME3 in a few places until the ending, but you would also have to had played ME1 to really undestand it and I suspect a lot of people that love, love, love ME3 didn't play ME1 or at least get into it as someone like we did. Newcomers found ME1 too repetitive. I remember reading that in a lot of posts. They hated it. But all the repetitive stuff is IT. Like they are drilling it into your brain with a plan for it. So it's repetitive to those who just play to play. But for those that really get into the story part, we pay attention and figure this HAS to be important. Also, play ME1 enough times and IT is hard to not see in the ME3 ending. Three choices appear out of the clear blue and two of them are all pie in the sky perfect and just happen to work perfectly for reapers in that you don't destroy them and you die - you, who have been the biggest thorn in their side that they sent the collectors to kill you and then harbinger goes after you all through ME2 whenever you are in collector territory.

Just my 2 cents anyway. God I feel at home in this thread. Though I don't think the crucible was a trick of the reapers. I think it was truly a weapon and the catalyst was meant to be a person or people who made it into the citadel to stop the reapers.


I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't play me1 but I saw a playthrough of it and i started with me2. ME has consumed me, i've read most of the comics and the books. The image in my head of how Grayson was controlled by a reaper, even to the point of making him think he put in his shuttle navigation to fly away from Gillian when in fact they actually made him program it to go straight for her then made him fall asleep is so strong in my mind. It prooved to me how strong indoctrination can be.