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D.Sharrah wrote...

How's the Atlas smashing going for everyone? Any guesses on what the message from Hackett is going to be post op? I am hoping that it is going to foreshadow incoming DLC...Also, do you think that the op puts the MP timeline around the coup attempt?

I'm hoping it will be the announcement of DLC. It's been long enough.

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paxxton wrote...

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"What is my biding my master?"

So what have I misses d?

Hi. This http://blog.bioware....zeschuk-retire/ and a few speculations on possible continuations to ME3.


Is Bioware dispanding, or are we just going crazy?

Yet unknown. I'm curious to see where this is going. Anyway, they confirmed to be working on ME3 DLC, ME full game and a completely new franchise by the ME team.


You think it could be a cover up, or do you think they are trying to go rogue, and break away from EA?

It's strange they decided to leave right now when BioWare seems to be in a downfall. Even stranger that they decided to do it at the same time.


And what other Bioware people have left, and maybe we should try to connect the people that are/ retired from Bioware that were working on ME, or ME2 that left.

Patrick Weekes moved to the DA team. But it's too early to draw any conclusion about all those maneuvers.


What are they planing? Dragon age meets Mass Effect?

No idea. But change is coming to BioWare.


I don't think it's backlash over the endings.  If that was what it was, I get the feeling that Hudson and Walters would have "left."  You know, since they're the ones most blamed for this, and since I get the feeling that if this really WAS literal, that they would have been the ones responsible.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, anything new? Also, Age of Mythology kicks butt. I'd almost forgotten how awesome it was. Almost, but not quite. :)

You see my secret ending video?


Part of it.  I didn't watch the whole thing.

It's only like 3 minutes...


I can fall into this trope at times: 
http://tvtropes.org/...wersAreGoldfish 

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What are they planing? Dragon age meets Mass Effect?


Could be. I always wondered if the Maker was a Reaper. But then I thought, "Nah, the Reapers aren't that evil."

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Also, assuming CleverNoob's description of Project X is even true, it still doesn't explain what happens in regards to those who picked Control and Synthesis. I simply can't see BioWare disregarding those others choices just because one ending happens to have Shepard alive. It may sound fine on paper, but I really do not see how it would work from a practical point of view.

2 things could happen.

1. You have some cinematic and or interactive new section where with Shepard being indoctrinated and trying to kill her squadmates or LI or something. Maybe the LI has to kill her. That would be heartwrenching.

2. They leave those 2 endings as is, and allow players to have both a literal or IT ending. It would be interesting.

The first one could work, but it would make a lot of folks unhappy me thinks.

The second possibility, on the other hand, does sound interesting. In fact, I'd welcome that with open arms. Only thing is, they'd need to canonize one of the two paths at the end. It couldn't stay open forever.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...


You see my secret ending video?


I dont think I did.

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

So, anything new? Also, Age of Mythology kicks butt. I'd almost forgotten how awesome it was. Almost, but not quite. :)

You see my secret ending video?


Part of it.  I didn't watch the whole thing.

It's only like 3 minutes...


I can fall into this trope at times: 
http://tvtropes.org/...wersAreGoldfish 

That's funny, but you should cut the wall above you. Did you find any parts funny at all?

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Dwailing wrote...

snip..

I don't think it's backlash over the endings.  If that was what it was, I get the feeling that Hudson and Walters would have "left."  You know, since they're the ones most blamed for this, and since I get the feeling that if this really WAS literal, that they would have been the ones responsible.


If its game related (and you don't believe that they just felt it was time), I would think that the TOR would be more to blame than the controversy about the ME 3 endings - afterall even with the firestorm, ME 3 is considered a sucess...I don't think that they can say the same about TOR.

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


You see my secret ending video?


I dont think I did.

And here you go. Posted Image

Note: I'd appreciate some comments or constructive criticism from anyone.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 22 septembre 2012 - 07:23 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

How's the Atlas smashing going for everyone? Any guesses on what the message from Hackett is going to be post op? I am hoping that it is going to foreshadow incoming DLC...Also, do you think that the op puts the MP timeline around the coup attempt?

I'm hoping it will be the announcement of DLC. It's been long enough.

Top! Yeah! Where's Estebanus? Posted Image


I'm just hoping for any kind of story like content that seems to feed my ME addiction...

Top things I am hoping for:

1. DLC
2. A clue as to the timeline and how in ties into SP

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


You see my secret ending video?


I dont think I did.

And here you go. Posted Image

Note: I'd appreciate some comments or constructive criticism from anyone.


I like it!

My favorite video making fun of the endings is still the Space Magic one.

Partly because it syncs up so well (I mean, like one comment says, 2:06 is pretty amazing), but also partly because I made it.

;)

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@Banshee: The vid was ok. It makes me want to get the writers in a locked room and pry all of their thoughts behind the endings out of them...I get the feeling that although we may be close with IT - there's something that we just haven't figured out...

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[quote]Dwailing wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]masster blaster wrote...

"What is my biding my master?"

So what have I misses d?[/quote]
Hi. This http://blog.bioware....zeschuk-retire/ and a few speculations on possible continuations to ME3.[/quote]

Is Bioware dispanding, or are we just going crazy?

[/quote]
Yet unknown. I'm curious to see where this is going. Anyway, they confirmed to be working on ME3 DLC, ME full game and a completely new franchise by the ME team.[/quote]

You think it could be a cover up, or do you think they are trying to go rogue, and break away from EA?

[/quote]
It's strange they decided to leave right now when BioWare seems to be in a downfall. Even stranger that they decided to do it at the same time.[/quote]

And what other Bioware people have left, and maybe we should try to connect the people that are/ retired from Bioware that were working on ME, or ME2 that left.

[/quote]
Patrick Weekes moved to the DA team. But it's too early to draw any conclusion about all those maneuvers.[/quote]

What are they planing? Dragon age meets Mass Effect?

[/quote]
No idea. But change is coming to BioWare.[/quote]

I don't think it's backlash over the endings.  If that was what it was, I get the feeling that Hudson and Walters would have "left."  You know, since they're the ones most blamed for this, and since I get the feeling that if this really WAS literal, that they would have been the ones responsible.[/quote]
I don't know, maybe people are interpreting too much into their departure. They stated that they already accomplished all their goals in the gaming industry and wanted to try something new (I lol'd about the brewing tour :D ). It is not unusual to move on, when you think you've done everything in a specific field. It's never too late for a fresh start.
Edit: The pyramid is nearly finished. :devil:

Modifié par Restrider, 22 septembre 2012 - 07:35 .


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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...


You see my secret ending video?


I dont think I did.

And here you go. Posted Image

Note: I'd appreciate some comments or constructive criticism from anyone.


I like it!

My favorite video making fun of the endings is still the Space Magic one.

Partly because it syncs up so well (I mean, like one comment says, 2:06 is pretty amazing), but also partly because I made it.

;)


Scary. Posted Image

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D.Sharrah wrote...

@Banshee: The vid was ok. It makes me want to get the writers in a locked room and pry all of their thoughts behind the endings out of them...I get the feeling that although we may be close with IT - there's something that we just haven't figured out...

I know the feeling. I didn't really want to make that video make sense though. But really, I want to ask them what they were thinking. If it wasn't IT, what the hell is wrong with them? 5 minutes after Shepard convinces the control-advocating TIM he's wrong, Shepard can control the reapers? No. Especially not with all of the foreshadowing about tough decisions that aren't easy and require sacrifice.

I mean, this is basic writing stuff that all writers know how to do...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 22 septembre 2012 - 07:37 .


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D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

My favorite video making fun of the endings is still the Space Magic one.

Partly because it syncs up so well (I mean, like one comment says, 2:06 is pretty amazing), but also partly because I made it.

;)


Scary. Posted Image


It matches up so well its almost like they made the endings planning on having that music in the background. Its uncanny.

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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Also, assuming CleverNoob's description of Project X is even true, it still doesn't explain what happens in regards to those who picked Control and Synthesis. I simply can't see BioWare disregarding those others choices just because one ending happens to have Shepard alive. It may sound fine on paper, but I really do not see how it would work from a practical point of view.

2 things could happen.

1. You have some cinematic and or interactive new section where with Shepard being indoctrinated and trying to kill her squadmates or LI or something. Maybe the LI has to kill her. That would be heartwrenching.

2. They leave those 2 endings as is, and allow players to have both a literal or IT ending. It would be interesting.

The first one could work, but it would make a lot of folks unhappy me thinks.

The second possibility, on the other hand, does sound interesting. In fact, I'd welcome that with open arms. Only thing is, they'd need to canonize one of the two paths at the end. It couldn't stay open forever.


Or certain events can play into Shepards indoctrination even if chooses Control/Synthesis. Choices or characters who can save the player in his darkest (with drawbacks of course). This is an old theory brought up, my paticular favorite beeing the Rachni Queen.

Mac Walter said this: “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

A promise still unfulfilled. But think of what we know of the Rachni Queen. She can interact with the minds of living creatures and is resistant/immune to Indoctrination. The idea is that in case of Control/Synthesis the Rachni Queen if alive would interfere, linking with Shepards mind and giving him the resistance to break free, at least for a time. The cost to this could be the Rachni Queens death as it goes through the warzone to try and get close enough to Shepard.

This off course would not be the only of such possibilities down this route.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 22 septembre 2012 - 07:40 .


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byne wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

byne wrote...

My favorite video making fun of the endings is still the Space Magic one.

Partly because it syncs up so well (I mean, like one comment says, 2:06 is pretty amazing), but also partly because I made it.

;)


Scary. Posted Image


It matches up so well its almost like they made the endings planning on having that music in the background. Its uncanny.


No not uncanny...scary. Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Banshee: The vid was ok. It makes me want to get the writers in a locked room and pry all of their thoughts behind the endings out of them...I get the feeling that although we may be close with IT - there's something that we just haven't figured out...

I know the feeling. I didn't really want to make that video make sense though. But really, I want to ask them what they were thinking. If it wasn't IT, what the hell is wrong with them? 5 minutes after Shepard convinces the control-advocating TIM he's wrong, Shepard can control the reapers? No. Especially not with all of the foreshadowing about tough decisions that aren't easy and require sacrifice.

I mean, this is basic writing stuff that all writers know how to do...


I know, right?  And people say they just didn't know how to end it... BS.  That, too, is creative writing 101.  A decent writer already has the ending worked out in their head before they write the first word.

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Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Banshee: The vid was ok. It makes me want to get the writers in a locked room and pry all of their thoughts behind the endings out of them...I get the feeling that although we may be close with IT - there's something that we just haven't figured out...

I know the feeling. I didn't really want to make that video make sense though. But really, I want to ask them what they were thinking. If it wasn't IT, what the hell is wrong with them? 5 minutes after Shepard convinces the control-advocating TIM he's wrong, Shepard can control the reapers? No. Especially not with all of the foreshadowing about tough decisions that aren't easy and require sacrifice.

I mean, this is basic writing stuff that all writers know how to do...


I know, right?  And people say they just didn't know how to end it... BS.  That, too, is creative writing 101.  A decent writer already has the ending worked out in their head before they write the first word.


(Raises glass) Heard, heard :lol:

In my case I have 3 seperate, but connected stories with the ending worked out for all 3. And then another standalone story where i know what the ending will be...and a trilogy planned where I know the endings and start but still working out the plot.

And I am not a professional writer by any standards, it is just basic when you work out a story to know where youw ant it to go.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 22 septembre 2012 - 07:47 .


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Also, assuming CleverNoob's description of Project X is even true, it still doesn't explain what happens in regards to those who picked Control and Synthesis. I simply can't see BioWare disregarding those others choices just because one ending happens to have Shepard alive. It may sound fine on paper, but I really do not see how it would work from a practical point of view.

2 things could happen.

1. You have some cinematic and or interactive new section where with Shepard being indoctrinated and trying to kill her squadmates or LI or something. Maybe the LI has to kill her. That would be heartwrenching.

2. They leave those 2 endings as is, and allow players to have both a literal or IT ending. It would be interesting.

The first one could work, but it would make a lot of folks unhappy me thinks.

The second possibility, on the other hand, does sound interesting. In fact, I'd welcome that with open arms. Only thing is, they'd need to canonize one of the two paths at the end. It couldn't stay open forever.


Or certain events can play into Shepards indoctrination even if chooses Control/Synthesis. Choices or characters who can save the player in his darkest (with drawbacks of course). This is an old theory brought up, my paticular favorite beeing the Rachni Queen.

Mac Walter said this: “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

A promise still unfulfilled. But think of what we know of the Rachni Queen. She can interact with the minds of living creatures and is resistant/immune to Indoctrination. The idea is that in case of Control/Synthesis the Rachni Queen if alive would interfere, linking with Shepards mind and giving him the resistance to break free, at least for a time. The cost to this could be the Rachni Queens death as it goes through the warzone to try and get close enough to Shepard.

This off course would not be the only of such possibilities down this route.


Well, I suppose by the "Rachni decision" you mean the decision we make in ME 3.
This kind of makes sense in the following way:
Since some players, who played ME3 are able to play ME1 (PS3), and the default decision in ME2 was dead Rachni, it would kind of be depressing for these players to not be able to alter that decision (unless by using SaveEditors). Thus, they kind of repeated the decision in ME3, the important consequences remain yet to be observed.
On a side note: Do the PS3 ME2 players get the Genesis Comic for free? Would kind of make sense, imho.

Modifié par Restrider, 22 septembre 2012 - 07:51 .


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I just finished it Banshee. I like it.

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Restrider wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Also, assuming CleverNoob's description of Project X is even true, it still doesn't explain what happens in regards to those who picked Control and Synthesis. I simply can't see BioWare disregarding those others choices just because one ending happens to have Shepard alive. It may sound fine on paper, but I really do not see how it would work from a practical point of view.

2 things could happen.

1. You have some cinematic and or interactive new section where with Shepard being indoctrinated and trying to kill her squadmates or LI or something. Maybe the LI has to kill her. That would be heartwrenching.

2. They leave those 2 endings as is, and allow players to have both a literal or IT ending. It would be interesting.

The first one could work, but it would make a lot of folks unhappy me thinks.

The second possibility, on the other hand, does sound interesting. In fact, I'd welcome that with open arms. Only thing is, they'd need to canonize one of the two paths at the end. It couldn't stay open forever.


Or certain events can play into Shepards indoctrination even if chooses Control/Synthesis. Choices or characters who can save the player in his darkest (with drawbacks of course). This is an old theory brought up, my paticular favorite beeing the Rachni Queen.

Mac Walter said this: “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

A promise still unfulfilled. But think of what we know of the Rachni Queen. She can interact with the minds of living creatures and is resistant/immune to Indoctrination. The idea is that in case of Control/Synthesis the Rachni Queen if alive would interfere, linking with Shepards mind and giving him the resistance to break free, at least for a time. The cost to this could be the Rachni Queens death as it goes through the warzone to try and get close enough to Shepard.

This off course would not be the only of such possibilities down this route.


Well, I suppose by the "Rachni decision" you mean the decision we make in ME 3.
This kind of makes sense in the following way:
Since some players, who played ME3 are able to play ME1 (PS3), and the default decision in ME2 was dead Rachni, it would kind of be depressing for these players to not be able to alter that decision (unless by using SaveEditors). Thus, they kind of repeated the decision in ME3, the important consequences remain yet to be observed.
On a side note: Do the PS3 ME2 players get the Genesis Comic for free? Would kind of make sense, imho.


PS3 ME2 players get the Genesis Comic for free.  

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Rifneno wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

@Banshee: The vid was ok. It makes me want to get the writers in a locked room and pry all of their thoughts behind the endings out of them...I get the feeling that although we may be close with IT - there's something that we just haven't figured out...

I know the feeling. I didn't really want to make that video make sense though. But really, I want to ask them what they were thinking. If it wasn't IT, what the hell is wrong with them? 5 minutes after Shepard convinces the control-advocating TIM he's wrong, Shepard can control the reapers? No. Especially not with all of the foreshadowing about tough decisions that aren't easy and require sacrifice.

I mean, this is basic writing stuff that all writers know how to do...


I know, right?  And people say they just didn't know how to end it... BS.  That, too, is creative writing 101.  A decent writer already has the ending worked out in their head before they write the first word.


What I cant believe is that Bioware ever thought the pre-ec (and post too honestly) paletye swap endings would ever be anything remotely close to the same galaxy as acceptable if that truly was it for the endings

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I just finished it Banshee. I like it.

Thanks.