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[ABjerre]

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Why indeed would you deny that that's Platinum?

So why are there banshees, geth hunters, and atlasses at the same time in that video?

Cmon, be honest now.

Didnt notice the kill feed as i was watching the ammo spend. I corrected my post.

[Slayan_]

ABjerre wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...
Why indeed would you deny that that's Platinum?

So why are there banshees, geth hunters, and atlasses at the same time in that video?

Cmon, be honest now.

Didnt notice the kill feed as i was watching the ammo spend. I corrected my post.

you have a good par of eyes I hadn't noticed to xD i supose it was in wave 1

i repeat THIS IS NOT MY VIDEO I SEARCH IT IN YOUTUBE "piranha vs atlas" is the first video xD

[The Waffle Cat]

The stupidity of the nerfers is once again showed.

> wants nerfs
> uses the only 2 classes that can excell in using the weapon

Ow BSN, you never change

[Sovereign24]

I fully support a nerf for the lols.

I'm at the point where I don't really care anymore.

I just want to see the world burn.

[Prince Bubblegeth]

S. Shepard wrote...

BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...

You've proven the guns inaccurate at medium to long ranges. Have a cookie OP, that was already known.

Now, tell me what exactly prevents me from walking up to enemies into ideal range before I start shooting?

Unless the range is so short that you'd have to be within instakill/melee range - which you don't have to be - it doesn't really matter.

Uh, the fact that the enemies have guns too?  Just try that on platinum.

and flamethrowers that hit beyond what is shown by graphics 

and this: 

The Waffle Cat wrote...

The stupidity of the nerfers is once again showed.

> wants nerfs
> uses the only 2 classes that can excell in using the weapon

Ow BSN, you never change

 

won't let this get lost

Major Durza wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

darkblade wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Far be it from me to rain on your parade, OP, but there have been extensive tests and videos showing the accuracy of the Piranha when used correctly. However, I thought I would take some new ones on FBW, for perspective.

This is from the camp counter, in cover, with Marksman.



But, that is still pretty close right?

So I took these from cover at the big box near the LZ.

Marksman again...



and just for the heck of it, Destroyer in Devastator mode from the same distance....



4 shots on that one, I count 10 pellets outside of any boss hitbox in the game.

Oh, just in case you want a closer look, right click and choose view image. You can even zoom for full size 1080p.

/thread

So marksmen provides to large of a boost? 

Didn't realize the vast majority of players on here/in the community play Turian Soldiers? And with the Pranha only as well? Wow, that sounds terribly OP. I mean, this weapon needs nerfing because one character in the entire game has an ability that makes close-range assault shotguns function past 5 meters. Oh wait! It can't OSK non-bosses? Yet the Claymores and Wraiths can OSK non-bosses? IT'S SO IMBA GUYS!

Forgot to add this one in, but I have to add sarcasm.

Wow, look how ACCURATE this is with every possible accuracy bonus in the game! Better pack up this thread, This gun is overpowered because the Turian Soldier can give this gun full DPS at 30 meters, if we want to stop seeing Turian Soldiers with Piranhas filling up every lobby, a plague many times worse than the Missle Glitch, this gun must be nerfed so that it is roughly on the Scimitar's level with every buff in the game. I mean, you guys have stacks and stacks of shotgun amp III's and AP Ammo III's and IV's, why are you not using them? The idea that people could run out of these is absurd, and anyone who says otherwise is a troll, and I will brand them as such!

/end sarcasm.

 

Modifié par Prince Bubblegeth, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:05 .

[ABjerre]

Sovereign24 wrote...

I fully support a nerf for the lols.

I'm at the point where I don't really care anymore.

I just want to see the world burn.

If you really want to see the world burn, do things that are not "part of the plan".

I suggest buffing its accuracy by ~75%.

[greghorvath]

Slayan_ wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mGcs-N4Jogg

why a rare weapon that does this would need a nerf?

After my initial facepalming reaction I just had a flash of inspiration for one of my unusual solution suggestions: Nerf ammo and weapon mods instead of the weapon. Remove them altogether from the packs and give us URs instead. Or finally make a store system that you do not need to introduce stuff into that will eventually make your lives and as a result our lives more difficult.  Leave the guns be and make the game playable.

I have said it before and I will say it again: this notion of balancing is the most pathetic piece of garbage I have ever been fed. And working in the construction industry in Central-Europe I have been fed plenty of that...

[greghorvath]

@ deathforsale: Whenever I see you post I feel so grateful for not being a simpleton. Your axioms are just painful, man.

Modifié par greghorvath, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:41 .

[Rebel_Raven]

death_for_sale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Slayan_ wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mGcs-N4Jogg

why a rare weapon that does this would need a nerf?

First of all, i'm not quite sure that video is platinium. Why?

Why indeed would you deny that that's Platinum?

So why are there banshees, geth hunters, and atlasses at the same time in that video?

Cmon, be honest now.

They deny every shred of proof or try to twist it to suit their argument. Unfortunately there is a group of people that would rather have overpowered weapons that allow them to play higher difficulties than they would normally be able to play, instead of having a challenge.

The problem is that BW should never have given a credit incentive to play harder difficulties, or at least made it much smaller than it is. As it stands, I think some people feel they have to play harder difficulties to get more credits, not because they want to. Because of that, those people fight to keep the weapons, powers, and classes that allow them to be able to do the harder difficulties.

That's a bit hypocratical there, that first bit.

Not everyone has level V mods, and level IV consumeables to burn. We don't care if it's easy for the people that do coz they're probably in the minority. I don't have that sort of thing, AND I have reason not to abuse it.

Not everyone is going to be a geth infiltrator, destroyer, or Turian to abuse the pirahna/mods/high level consumeables used every match/class benefits to make it a death weapon.

Not everyone is done unlocking stuff buying nothing but JEPs to keep their consumeables up.

Further, if you want challenge, then challenge yourself. The game can't be balanced around -you-.

Further, it's not their fault that they need credits to get the gear you use to try and break a weapon.

Think about it, they need high level gear, and a specefic build to break a weapon... but they don't have the gear which is why they're trying to over reach their abilities.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:28 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Whoa, evidence that doesn't involve either a) shooting at a blank wall, or shooting at the largest enemy in the game??!?!?!

[robarcool]

death_for_sale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Slayan_ wrote...

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=mGcs-N4Jogg

why a rare weapon that does this would need a nerf?

First of all, i'm not quite sure that video is platinium. Why?

Why indeed would you deny that that's Platinum?

So why are there banshees, geth hunters, and atlasses at the same time in that video?

Cmon, be honest now.

They deny every shred of proof or try to twist it to suit their argument. Unfortunately there is a group of people that would rather have overpowered weapons that allow them to play higher difficulties than they would normally be able to play, instead of having a challenge.

The problem is that BW should never have given a credit incentive to play harder difficulties, or at least made it much smaller than it is. As it stands, I think some people feel they have to play harder difficulties to get more credits, not because they want to. Because of that, those people fight to keep the weapons, powers, and classes that allow them to be able to do the harder difficulties.

Elitists detected.

[Major Durza]

death_for_sale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Slayan_ wrote...



why a rare weapon that does this would need a nerf?

First of all, i'm not quite sure that video is platinium. Why?

Why indeed would you deny that that's Platinum?

So why are there banshees, geth hunters, and atlasses at the same time in that video?

Cmon, be honest now.

They deny every shred of proof or try to twist it to suit their argument. Unfortunately there is a group of people that would rather have overpowered weapons that allow them to play higher difficulties than they would normally be able to play, instead of having a challenge.

The problem is that BW should never have given a credit incentive to play harder difficulties, or at least made it much smaller than it is. As it stands, I think some people feel they have to play harder difficulties to get more credits, not because they want to. Because of that, those people fight to keep the weapons, powers, and classes that allow them to be able to do the harder difficulties.

And I suppose you branding every rational argument as "trolls" is acceptable behavior? We acknowlege all of your arguments that under ideal circumstances this gun devastates, we point out IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES and you say "Ummm, troll, troll! You deny the TRUTH, troll!"

http://cdn.memegener.../20454692.jpg  

Allow me to spell out to you what you are denying:
You are denying the idea that anyone can run out of shotgun amp III's and AP Ammo III's and IV's
You are denying the notion that anyone will pick a permanent gear slot other than Shotgun Amp V
You are denying the idea that there are people without shotgun amp V
You deny that the sustained DPS at range equals the Mattock or Harrier at 30m, and that both of those weapons can sustain that DPS at even longer ranges.

You are showing us that this gun's accuracy is not a problem by killing the easiest mooks of the easiest faction at point-blank range
You claim that this gun's accuracy is not a problem with bosses because it misses 30% of its pellets at 30m, when only the Atlas and Brute have that wide of a profile, WITH accuracy bonuses.

Furthermore, whereas we take apart every post you make you make feeble stabs at the weakest posts you can find.

/sarcasm
And yes, we just want our win buttons so people like you are forced to use these guns so that there is no challenge in the game for you
/end sarcasm

Modifié par Major Durza, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[heybigmoney]

I don't even use it on any of the 3 classes its OP on and I still think its way too good. If it remains as is I see no reason for my caster classes to use anything else.

[Kick In The Door]

Modifié par Kick In The Door, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:23 .

[Kick In The Door]

Major Durza wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

ABjerre wrote...

Slayan_ wrote...



why a rare weapon that does this would need a nerf?

First of all, i'm not quite sure that video is platinium. Why?

Why indeed would you deny that that's Platinum?

So why are there banshees, geth hunters, and atlasses at the same time in that video?

Cmon, be honest now.

They deny every shred of proof or try to twist it to suit their argument. Unfortunately there is a group of people that would rather have overpowered weapons that allow them to play higher difficulties than they would normally be able to play, instead of having a challenge.

The problem is that BW should never have given a credit incentive to play harder difficulties, or at least made it much smaller than it is. As it stands, I think some people feel they have to play harder difficulties to get more credits, not because they want to. Because of that, those people fight to keep the weapons, powers, and classes that allow them to be able to do the harder difficulties.

I forgot how to image on this forum, someone please tell me how, because this is appropriate:
http://cdn.memegener...0x/20454692.jpg

     [ img ] [ /img]

insert the link between the img tags. get rid of the space between the brackets and the word "img" as well.

Modifié par Kick In The Door, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:25 .

[LeandroBraz]

Allelujah!! Someone with arguments!! See, people against nerfs, do it! Argument, show something, don't come here saying "OMG don't nerf my favorite weapon, it will be useless and ruin the game!! I will sue Bioware for false advertisement!! I hate everyone!!"

Arguments help, crying don't.

I agree, the piranha is like the reegar carbine, only effective at really close range. It's being used a lot as secondary weapon, because she have low weight. Even if they take out some of the damage or fire rate, I hope they at least take ou even more weight too, to compensate the losses.

Just for the record, I used the piranha for some matches to test it, but I'm not using right now, so I'm against because I think it isn't OP, not because it's my favorite weapon =) My favorite weapon is the Vindicator, and it only get buffs =D

[greghorvath]

Major Durza wrote...

*snip*

 you just go [ img]*insertyourlinkhere*[ /img]



see?

Modifié par greghorvath, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:47 .

[GodlessPaladin]

LeandroBraz wrote...

Allelujah!! Someone with arguments!! See, people against nerfs, do it! Argument, show something, don't come here saying "OMG don't nerf my favorite weapon, it will be useless and ruin the game!! I will sue Bioware for false advertisement!! I hate everyone!!"

Arguments help, crying don't.

  Indeed.  It's refreshing, even if I don't find the argument being given convincing (e.g. that lack of extreme effectiveness against a single small target down range discredits any case for the Piranha being too powerful... that bit just reads as hyperbole to me.   The simple fact that it's the primary weapon of choice for the world's fastest Platinum speedrun in addition to having the weight of a sidearm is a decent case on its own).

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:49 .

[greghorvath]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Allelujah!! Someone with arguments!! See, people against nerfs, do it! Argument, show something, don't come here saying "OMG don't nerf my favorite weapon, it will be useless and ruin the game!! I will sue Bioware for false advertisement!! I hate everyone!!"

Arguments help, crying don't.

  Indeed.  It's refreshing, even if I don't find the argument being given convincing (e.g. that lack of extreme effectiveness against a single small target down range discredits any case for the Piranha being overpowered... that bit just reads as hyperbole to me.   The simple fact that it's the primary weapon of choice for the world's fastest Platinum speedrun in addition to having the weight of a sidearm is a decent case on its own), but that doesn't change the fact that I respect an actual attempt at argument being given.

You are actually bringing up speedruns as an argument? So much for choosing basis for "balancing"...

[LeandroBraz]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Allelujah!! Someone with arguments!! See, people against nerfs, do it! Argument, show something, don't come here saying "OMG don't nerf my favorite weapon, it will be useless and ruin the game!! I will sue Bioware for false advertisement!! I hate everyone!!"

Arguments help, crying don't.

  Indeed.  It's refreshing, even if I don't find the argument being given convincing (e.g. that lack of extreme effectiveness against a single small target down range discredits any case for the Piranha being overpowered... that bit just reads as hyperbole to me.   The simple fact that it's the primary weapon of choice for the world's fastest Platinum speedrun in addition to having the weight of a sidearm is a decent case on its own).

 What bug me about nerfing it is that a lot of people use it as secondary weapon because of the weight, but how many can actually do a build to make it effective as this guys doing speedrun can do? I mean, I'm seeing her a lot on random lobbies, but I rarelly see someone "melting" a boss with it, or being better than other players. 

 When I think about balance, I try to think about how it work in the hand of the average player. you guys are just better than the rest of us, mortals  the majority can't make the piranha look so OP. It's the same case as the reegar carbine. I almost don't see it anymore, and when I see, it's no big deal.

[GodlessPaladin]

greghorvath wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Allelujah!! Someone with arguments!! See, people against nerfs, do it! Argument, show something, don't come here saying "OMG don't nerf my favorite weapon, it will be useless and ruin the game!! I will sue Bioware for false advertisement!! I hate everyone!!"

Arguments help, crying don't.

  Indeed.  It's refreshing, even if I don't find the argument being given convincing (e.g. that lack of extreme effectiveness against a single small target down range discredits any case for the Piranha being overpowered... that bit just reads as hyperbole to me.   The simple fact that it's the primary weapon of choice for the world's fastest Platinum speedrun in addition to having the weight of a sidearm is a decent case on its own), but that doesn't change the fact that I respect an actual attempt at argument being given.

You are actually bringing up speedruns as an argument? So much for choosing basis for "balancing"...

Uhm, what?

What's your point supposed to be here?  Are you disagreeing with the notion that achieving a world record is something that gets done with the top shelf options in a game? 

Incidentally, in said game, a number of the characters using Piranhas didn't have any accuracy bonuses.  And that's because you don't need them.  Seriously, you're still going to hit bosses, you're still going to hose crowds with its unique spread, and you're still going to do a whopping 887 DPS if you hit with only half the pellets.

The Piranha can outdamage the Reegar Carbine and it can do so at greater range and with less weight.  The OP's argument doesn't address that.  All it claims is that it loses effectiveness after... a longer range than the Reegar Carbine cuts off, and only against a small target, not against bosses or groups. 

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:08 .

[LeandroBraz]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

greghorvath wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Allelujah!! Someone with arguments!! See, people against nerfs, do it! Argument, show something, don't come here saying "OMG don't nerf my favorite weapon, it will be useless and ruin the game!! I will sue Bioware for false advertisement!! I hate everyone!!"

Arguments help, crying don't.

  Indeed.  It's refreshing, even if I don't find the argument being given convincing (e.g. that lack of extreme effectiveness against a single small target down range discredits any case for the Piranha being overpowered... that bit just reads as hyperbole to me.   The simple fact that it's the primary weapon of choice for the world's fastest Platinum speedrun in addition to having the weight of a sidearm is a decent case on its own), but that doesn't change the fact that I respect an actual attempt at argument being given.

You are actually bringing up speedruns as an argument? So much for choosing basis for "balancing"...

Uhm, what?

What's your point supposed to be here?  Are you disagreeing with the notion that achieving a world record is something that gets done with the top shelf options in a game? 

Incidentally, in said game, a number of the characters using Piranhas didn't have any accuracy bonuses.  And that's because you don't need them.

The Piranha can outdamage the Reegar Carbine and it can do so at greater range and with less weight.  The OP's argument doesn't address that.  All it claims is that it loses effectiveness after... a much longer range than the Reegar Carbine goes, and only against a small target, not against bosses.

I think what he mean is that speedruns is something just a few players actually can do it. Plus, you guys do it on glacier, right? Well, how I gonna judge a low range weapon only in one environment where range isn't almost needed? You need to consider the average player using it, in close areas, but in open areas as well.

[BlackoutOmega]

Great post OP.
+5