351 réponses à ce sujet

[BjornDaDwarf]

I guess I would say that it is a monstrous gun under the right circumstances. There's simply nothing else in the game that will single handedly melt an Atlas like it, at medium range, even on Platinum.

That said, my current Destroyer carries the Harrier as his primary weapon (since I finally unlocked it!). Playing U/U/G, I much prefer to have a long range weapon on me as my primary, with the Pirahna as a backup for specific situations, like melting bosses, storming spawns or running out of ammo on the Harrier.

It still has that very new and shiny feel to it though. I'd say another week or more to see what the data says about it's use. Do I see one in almost every match because it's new and effective, or simply because it's highly effective?

Oh, and as for the TSold, I can't hit the broad side of the barn when I try and use the Pirahna on him. Logically I understand how tight the pellet spread is. I know it's better to hip aim with that reticule. And I still really struggle on him with it. The Destroyer's spread on it is the sweet spot for me. Effective enough at medium range, vicious at short range.

[egueguen]

the problem is that if you nerf this gun so that people wont us it on the destroiyers or geth or turins then it will be less the usless on any other class, thats what has been happening with all the other guns and classes because usless players keep calling for usfull weapons and classes to get nerfed in the vaine, and misguides hope that it will somehow let them do better in a match and let them get more exp

what they continue to fail to understand is that theis nerfs just make that much harder for them to do well and most importantly, we all get the same dam exp and creidits as everyone else on the squad as long as you were in the match for the same amount of time nomater how much or little you killed in the 11 waves

now stop complaning that you suck compared to other people and getting bioware to ruin the game for other people
this isnt pvp, score and kills ultimately dont matter to how many credits or exp you get, it doesnt matter who kills what as long as its dead

your only saping the fun from other players by selfishly demanding bioware and EA to nerf weapons and classes so other people cant play the way they like to just because you and a few other players dont people playing that way

[DungeonHoek]

egueguen wrote...

the problem is that if you nerf this gun so that people wont us it on the destroiyers or geth or turins then it will be less the usless on any other class, thats what has been happening with all the other guns and classes because usless players keep calling for usfull weapons and classes to get nerfed in the vaine, and misguides hope that it will somehow let them do better in a match and let them get more exp

what they continue to fail to understand is that theis nerfs just make that much harder for them to do well and most importantly, we all get the same dam exp and creidits as everyone else on the squad as long as you were in the match for the same amount of time nomater how much or little you killed in the 11 waves

now stop complaning that you suck compared to other people and getting bioware to ruin the game for other people
this isnt pvp, score and kills ultimately dont matter to how many credits or exp you get, it doesnt matter who kills what as long as its dead

your only saping the fun from other players by selfishly demanding bioware and EA to nerf weapons and classes so other people cant play the way they like to just because you and a few other players dont people playing that way

I like this Quarian, he makes sense.

[Lord Rosario]

egueguen wrote...

the problem is that if you nerf this gun so that people wont us it on the destroiyers or geth or turins then it will be less the usless on any other class, thats what has been happening with all the other guns and classes because usless players keep calling for usfull weapons and classes to get nerfed in the vaine, and misguides hope that it will somehow let them do better in a match and let them get more exp

what they continue to fail to understand is that theis nerfs just make that much harder for them to do well and most importantly, we all get the same dam exp and creidits as everyone else on the squad as long as you were in the match for the same amount of time nomater how much or little you killed in the 11 waves

now stop complaning that you suck compared to other people and getting bioware to ruin the game for other people
this isnt pvp, score and kills ultimately dont matter to how many credits or exp you get, it doesnt matter who kills what as long as its dead

your only saping the fun from other players by selfishly demanding bioware and EA to nerf weapons and classes so other people cant play the way they like to just because you and a few other players dont people playing that way

A game without balance isn't a fun, it's a slaughter fest. Think of how fun Pokemon would be if all your pokemon started at lvl 100, or Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes. If you don't like balance, then cheat and stick to singleplayer or play with other friends. Otherwise, people generally don't like to play games that are rediculously easy for long or else everyone would be playing bronze where they are great with any character instead of the flock of players playing Platinum and gold.

[Blackguard82]

Lord Rosario wrote...

egueguen wrote...

the problem is that if you nerf this gun so that people wont us it on the destroiyers or geth or turins then it will be less the usless on any other class, thats what has been happening with all the other guns and classes because usless players keep calling for usfull weapons and classes to get nerfed in the vaine, and misguides hope that it will somehow let them do better in a match and let them get more exp

what they continue to fail to understand is that theis nerfs just make that much harder for them to do well and most importantly, we all get the same dam exp and creidits as everyone else on the squad as long as you were in the match for the same amount of time nomater how much or little you killed in the 11 waves

now stop complaning that you suck compared to other people and getting bioware to ruin the game for other people
this isnt pvp, score and kills ultimately dont matter to how many credits or exp you get, it doesnt matter who kills what as long as its dead

your only saping the fun from other players by selfishly demanding bioware and EA to nerf weapons and classes so other people cant play the way they like to just because you and a few other players dont people playing that way

A game without balance isn't a fun, it's a slaughter fest. Think of how fun Pokemon would be if all your pokemon started at lvl 100, or Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes. If you don't like balance, then cheat and stick to singleplayer or play with other friends. Otherwise, people generally don't like to play games that are rediculously easy for long or else everyone would be playing bronze where they are great with any character instead of the flock of players playing Platinum and gold.

Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes? Really you are compairing the Piranha with unlimited mini-nukes in Fallout 3? How about you all screaming for nerfs take a chill pill and just don't use weapons you don't like and leave us to play the game as we like to. It is really stupid having like 30 guns to choose from but most of them feel like pee shooters because of all the nerfs. LEAVE THE GUNS ALONE!!!

[kevchy]

OP speaks the truth..

Oh wait, I mean, common sense.

[Haloburner]

[Lord Rosario]

Blackguard82 wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

egueguen wrote...

the problem is that if you nerf this gun so that people wont us it on the destroiyers or geth or turins then it will be less the usless on any other class, thats what has been happening with all the other guns and classes because usless players keep calling for usfull weapons and classes to get nerfed in the vaine, and misguides hope that it will somehow let them do better in a match and let them get more exp

what they continue to fail to understand is that theis nerfs just make that much harder for them to do well and most importantly, we all get the same dam exp and creidits as everyone else on the squad as long as you were in the match for the same amount of time nomater how much or little you killed in the 11 waves

now stop complaning that you suck compared to other people and getting bioware to ruin the game for other people
this isnt pvp, score and kills ultimately dont matter to how many credits or exp you get, it doesnt matter who kills what as long as its dead

your only saping the fun from other players by selfishly demanding bioware and EA to nerf weapons and classes so other people cant play the way they like to just because you and a few other players dont people playing that way

A game without balance isn't a fun, it's a slaughter fest. Think of how fun Pokemon would be if all your pokemon started at lvl 100, or Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes. If you don't like balance, then cheat and stick to singleplayer or play with other friends. Otherwise, people generally don't like to play games that are rediculously easy for long or else everyone would be playing bronze where they are great with any character instead of the flock of players playing Platinum and gold.

Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes? Really you are compairing the Piranha with unlimited mini-nukes in Fallout 3? How about you all screaming for nerfs take a chill pill and just don't use weapons you don't like and leave us to play the game as we like to. It is really stupid having like 30 guns to choose from but most of them feel like pee shooters because of all the nerfs. LEAVE THE GUNS ALONE!!!

Go read some of my posts... go ahead. I'll wait, really.

Yeah, you see aaaaaall those posts about nerfing stuff? No? That's because there aren't any since the TC nerf. 

I was saying that there needs to be general balance for the game to be fun. Didn't say anything about the Piranha being op, needing a nerf, or any ability/class/gun being op. I just find people that say "It's a co-op game, there doesn't need to be balance" rather silly.

[DullahansXMark]

I made a similar thread earlier, but this one is definitely better. Sad too, because I had been planning mine since last night

Oh well, at least it got done, and well too! Thanks OP!

[ABjerre]

Lord Rosario wrote...
A game without balance isn't a fun, it's a slaughter fest.

That is your opinion, and it is much like religion: You are entitled to having your own, but forcing it on others is fukkin annoying.

Furthermore, would you please define "balance" in this case, and elaborate as to why it would cause a "slaughterfest"?

[Xaijin]

Anyone who says the piranha is overpowered hasn't actually used it.

There's a really easy really objective way to test it.

Make a private server with only you in it.

Pick the piranha with shredder and barrel. No amps, no gear.

Pick platinum reapers.

Have fun trying to kill banshees in under two minutes.

Still think it's overpowered?

Modifié par Xaijin, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[Hypertion]

try it on the Turian Soldier.

you can snipe with that shotgun on that character..

[nullgene]

Scrubs

[Xaijin]

2x

Modifié par Xaijin, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:36 .

[Blackguard82]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Blackguard82 wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

egueguen wrote...

the problem is that if you nerf this gun so that people wont us it on the destroiyers or geth or turins then it will be less the usless on any other class, thats what has been happening with all the other guns and classes because usless players keep calling for usfull weapons and classes to get nerfed in the vaine, and misguides hope that it will somehow let them do better in a match and let them get more exp

what they continue to fail to understand is that theis nerfs just make that much harder for them to do well and most importantly, we all get the same dam exp and creidits as everyone else on the squad as long as you were in the match for the same amount of time nomater how much or little you killed in the 11 waves

now stop complaning that you suck compared to other people and getting bioware to ruin the game for other people
this isnt pvp, score and kills ultimately dont matter to how many credits or exp you get, it doesnt matter who kills what as long as its dead

your only saping the fun from other players by selfishly demanding bioware and EA to nerf weapons and classes so other people cant play the way they like to just because you and a few other players dont people playing that way

A game without balance isn't a fun, it's a slaughter fest. Think of how fun Pokemon would be if all your pokemon started at lvl 100, or Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes. If you don't like balance, then cheat and stick to singleplayer or play with other friends. Otherwise, people generally don't like to play games that are rediculously easy for long or else everyone would be playing bronze where they are great with any character instead of the flock of players playing Platinum and gold.

Fallout with unlimited mini-nukes? Really you are compairing the Piranha with unlimited mini-nukes in Fallout 3? How about you all screaming for nerfs take a chill pill and just don't use weapons you don't like and leave us to play the game as we like to. It is really stupid having like 30 guns to choose from but most of them feel like pee shooters because of all the nerfs. LEAVE THE GUNS ALONE!!!

Go read some of my posts... go ahead. I'll wait, really.

Yeah, you see aaaaaall those posts about nerfing stuff? No? That's because there aren't any since the TC nerf. 

I was saying that there needs to be general balance for the game to be fun. Didn't say anything about the Piranha being op, needing a nerf, or any ability/class/gun being op. I just find people that say "It's a co-op game, there doesn't need to be balance" rather silly.

I really don't have the time to go through all your posts, I'll take your word for it. But your post leads to this assumption being on a nerf topic and all.  As for balance, I really don't see the point of all the nerfs from Bioware to be honest. Most of the weapons are useless now..
I just want to blow some enemies up with my friends, what is so wrong with that? This isn't a competitive multiplayer game where people will get pissed being killed by OP guns.

[ABjerre]

death_for_sale wrote...
30% of the miss on a boss size target, i missread his initial post. At the given range, it does damage equivalent to the Mattck X or Cerberus Harrier I.

Only 2 of the best AR's in the game, and only the Mattock X weighs the same. The Harrier weighs quite a bit more and has a limited clip and the Mattock is semi-auto.which means DPS is dependent on sustained RoF.

Yes, and the Vindicator is not bad either. I'm starting to get the feeling that you just dont like guns overall...

However, that doesn't change the fact that you are advocating a nerf on a gun that on the largest taget possible on fairly close range performs equally to a common assault rifle. Only the only problem here is that if the target is smaller, which quite a few of them are, as you took the largest unit in the game for your bench mark, that common assault rifle will pull significantly ahead.

Yes, nerfing the Piranha makes perfect sense.

Modifié par ABjerre, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .

[MurderHouse]

I love that godamn weapon.

[ABjerre]

Hypertion wrote...

try it on the Turian Soldier.

you can snipe with that shotgun on that character..

You get Tsols with Piranhas in all your lobbies too? I constantly get beaten, and end up at the bottom on the scoreboard to them. And often by people that are much less experienced than i am.

Except, i have yet to see a Tsol use it - in fact, the last time i a Tsol in any game was when i decided to play one for laughs with my reverant X several months ago, because the class sucks overall. Noone plays it.

Perhaps being good with the Piranha would bring it back to the game?

[smyss]

Xaijin wrote...

Anyone who says the piranha is overpowered hasn't actually used it.

There's a really easy really objective way to test it.

Make a private server with only you in it.

Pick the piranha with shredder and barrel. No amps, no gear.

Pick platinum reapers.

Have fun trying to kill banshees in under two minutes.

Still think it's overpowered?

haha ! seriously !!! +500

[Catastrophy]

ABjerre wrote...

A little quiz
To finish up here, would anyone like to guess how many shots it takes to kill that Pyro in
the second picture? All relevant info is in the post already.

It took 5,
(FIVE!) well aimed shots.

Five shots? I doubt that, I've never seen the Piranha that accurate on my uses.
To be honest, I haven't tried it out with Marksman and skills that improve accuracy, only with smart choke.
If that claim is true, it's not quite a Piranha issue but a dedicated build that uses the gun's strengths and (over) emphasizes on them.
As a 'normal' user of this shotgun I can say that it works as intended: Powerful at short range, so-so medium range, useless in the second picture.
I'd rather have nerfers concentrate on the skillset that makes things OP than on the things people have fun to use.

TL;DR: Not Piranha is OP, Marksman and Accuracy is OP
Suggestion: Make skills have no effect on pellet spread.

[joker_jack]

Lord Rosario wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

You can find additional numbers and videos here, OP.

Yup, saw that thread. Numbers point to the Piranha being about equal to the Claymore. While the Piranha has more sustained damage output than the Claymore, it still lacks in accuracy, range, and it leaves you far more open than the Claymore. Even with tons of accuracy mods [that could just be used towards damage on the Claymore instead to make it FAR more damaging than the Piranha] The Claymore is still more accurate. If the Piranha is so op in the hands of a good player, and the Claymore can do just as well [if not better in many cases] in the hands of anyone smarter than a fruit fly, why don't we balance both the Claymore and the Piranha?

People like that don't want balance. They only want what is best for them. New flash, you don't get to dictate how people play the game. You only get to play like the rest of us. 

[Lord Rosario]

ABjerre wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...
A game without balance isn't a fun, it's a slaughter fest.

That is your opinion, and it is much like religion: You are entitled to having your own, but forcing it on others is fukkin annoying.

Furthermore, would you please define "balance" in this case, and elaborate as to why it would cause a "slaughterfest"?

Balance, both sides being equal, in this case, the enemies vs the players. Without balance, either the players would plow through the enemies like a lawnmower through a field of flowers, or the enemies would tear through the players like tissue paper. Niether is fun and niether is a good thing in any sort of game, including co-op wich adds another layer to balance, partners.

As it is now, the game is fairly balanced for those that want to have fun and be stronger than one side by playing bronze, and the others that are either better at the game or just want a harder challenge can player higher and higher difficulties until they are having fun. In this way, no playstyle is forced on anyone unless they limit themselves to a certain dificulty.

I could go on and on about this, but I think you get the idea. Want to be stronger than the enemy? Play Bronze. Want to fight enemies that are far superior to you? Play Platinum. Want to play with powerful weapons and skills? Play single player. Want to play at a balanced level? Figure out your capabilities and play in that range of dificulty.

[Digitalis32]

I actually prefer the Revenant to the Piranha - it has a massive clip, slightly shorter re-load and it is excellent for ripping through troopers and husks especially with destroyer mode on it unleashes a torrent of bullets - the piranha I only really use for bosses and geth.

Modifié par Digitalis32, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[Lord Rosario]

Blackguard82 wrote...

I really don't have the time to go through all your posts, I'll take your word for it. But your post leads to this assumption being on a nerf topic and all.  As for balance, I really don't see the point of all the nerfs from Bioware to be honest. Most of the weapons are useless now..
I just want to blow some enemies up with my friends, what is so wrong with that? This isn't a competitive multiplayer game where people will get pissed being killed by OP guns.

I rock the Krysae on Platinum very effectively. It is not useless. Falcon is similar, but I just seem to go through it's ammo too fast, so I use the Krysae instead. Want to tear through things easily? Stick to a lower difficulty. I know when I just feel like blowing the hell out of enemies, I slip back down to bronze or silver for a while.

[Poison_Berrie]

Blackguard82 wrote...

As for balance, I really don't see the point of all the nerfs from Bioware to be honest. Most of the weapons are useless now.. 

Hyperbole much?