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Cheviot wrote...

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A typical counter to this is, "But the Extended Cut disproves anything and everything involving indoctrination. Everything turns out great. In fact, things turn out better in the Control and Synthesis endings than they do in Destroy. All Praise the Reapers for his truth and honesty!”
 


Well, ignoring the EC, the post-credits Stargazer scene and the fact that post-game text tells the player that Shepard has defeated the Reaper threat prove that the Catalyst's offer was legitimate.


No, it doesn't.

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If Control and Synthesis ended like the Refusal Ending or had a Critical Failure message at the end it would invalidate them for the player. The player must believe in them or else everyone would simply reload and pick Destroy. Shepard falling prey to indoctrination, although not the ideal conclusion, is still a narratively sound outcome. And in this way the writers keep those endings valid by having the epilogue continue from the indoctrinated perspective. Who would pick an indoctrinated ending otherwise? Not many.


In order to preserve the indoctrination Bioware cannot indicate in any way that your choice was "bad". You have to believe you saved the galaxy after you've put the game to away. Otherwise, you would simply pick Destroy.

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Sajuro wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
 
A typical counter to this is, "But the Extended Cut disproves anything and everything involving indoctrination. Everything turns out great. In fact, things turn out better in the Control and Synthesis endings than they do in Destroy. All Praise the Reapers for his truth and honesty!”
 


Well, ignoring the EC, the post-credits Stargazer scene and the fact that post-game text tells the player that Shepard has defeated the Reaper threat prove that the Catalyst's offer was legitimate.

Unless the Stargazer is part of a pre space flight civilization that only knows what he does from Liara's records. Also the post game text is meta and could fall under "they didn't want people to just reload and pick destroy"


Oh, yeah,  "they didn't want people to just reload and pick destroy".  That makes literally no sense.  So they spent months writing, designing, storyboarding, animating and coding an ending that they wanted people to never pick?  What? 

As for the Stargazer scene, the Refuse ending makes clear that if the Reapers destroyed the current Cycle, the next cycle would use the info in Liara's beacons to defeat the Reapers.  Plus, they know about the defeat of the Reapers, which they wouldn't if the Reapers weren't defeated.

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If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.

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Playing devil's advocate here.

The ending sequence with the Catalyst doesn't have to be a hallucination for it to be an indoctrination attempt.

You can't "break" an indoctrination attempt. You can only resist. Shepard choosing destroy could be his moment of resistance. As a result, the Crucible disabled the Reapers and their control over Shepard.

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Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.

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Cheviot wrote...

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A typical counter to this is, "But the Extended Cut disproves anything and everything involving indoctrination. Everything turns out great. In fact, things turn out better in the Control and Synthesis endings than they do in Destroy. All Praise the Reapers for his truth and honesty!”
 


Well, ignoring the EC, the post-credits Stargazer scene and the fact that post-game text tells the player that Shepard has defeated the Reaper threat prove that the Catalyst's offer was legitimate.


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So then what happened to Earth and the rest of the galaxy? Did the crucible just failed, and we're all dead?

Why are you trying to make this worse by making things all doom and gloom? We don't want to feel the same way when I see the endings for the first time.

Leave the endings be. If you are trying THIS hard to make sense something that even the developers themselves were caught off guard, you're obsessed. Besides, the extended cut proved it wrong, so please, don't bring back that dreadful explanation for the endings.

The reapers had no idea that people would successfully defeat them. They are just single minded-machines. They were caught off guard by the Crucible, that's why they tried to secure the Citadel in the last minute.

The previous cycles may have thought of three ways of defeating the reapers: Destroy, synthesis, and control. So maybe that is why they're there.

At the final hours the Catalyst had no choice as Shepard made it. But then he realize that maybe these choices aren't so bad. And who are you to say the Catalyst is, infact, smart and cunning? Maybe he was just another single-minded Reaper.

You're just thinking too hard. I can live with what I see. Why are things NEVER clear these days?


I've often wondered why anyone would/could think the catalyst is smart/or cunning. It speaks in short sentences and mostly in absolutes, just the later cause it can. I can understand the IT'ers commitment to the theory tho, as the game is loath to explain stuff, just leaves too much to the imagination. They just don't seem to trust the game its self much,Probably because the whole trilogy is too all encompassing, hard to slap all that data in itty bitty video game.. Imagination can be constructive, but also a thing of nightmares..Posted Image

edit: forgot to mention, that if this were a book, we'd just set it down grumbling, but since it's a video game with interactivy and immersion, as well as a dedicated web site to voice complaint/suggestions.. Posted Image

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destroy was the only option we had in the beginning...crucible changed that...and No, I am not indoctrinated...you damn ITers...that $h!t isnt real...


Yeah, it was real. You really were indoctrinated at that last moment. It's a perfectly understandable ending and believable given the ME lore. There is nothing inconsistent with an indoctrinated endings. It's actually pretty clever as the indoctrinated endings are satisfying regardless of the circumstances.

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Interesting read. I don't agree with this interpretation, but OP did bring up a number of good points. At least it's a fairly well thought-out and written argument.

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gorezeelar wrote...

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If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.


Even basic machines can perform a lie of omission. The Geth, who aren't even true AI's are capable of doing so. The Catalyst is the most advanced intellect in the galaxy. If it chose not to lie, I'd say it had no motive for lying in the first place.

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Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.


Even basic machines can perform a lie of omission. The Geth, who aren't even true AI's are capable of doing so. The Catalyst is the most advanced intellect in the galaxy. If it chose not to lie, I'd say it had no motive for lying in the first place.


I wouldn't say it lie. But it's a Reaper. Have you seen Sovereign and Harbinger, the tactical minds behind the Reaper invasion?:

"CIVILIZATION. DESTROY. COMPLETE CYCLE. HYBERNATE."

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Very nice arguments here, well written post, great to see someone else thinking the same thing I do. Its not that everything is indoctrination because of something in the enviroment, its because the starchild seems way contradicting and devious!

We wouldn't had so much to debate about this ending if we didn't had a new character in the last 5 minutes of the game. Lets be honest if it was a prothean instead of the kid, we wouldn't have so much confusion, it would only say, creating the crucible gave us possibilities for a change in the galaxy, now choose.

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RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Interesting read. I don't agree with this interpretation, but OP did bring up a number of good points. At least it's a fairly well thought-out and written argument.


too bad about the more baseless stuff to mire the hard work providing more baseless stuff...

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Cheviot wrote...

1) There is literally no reason for them to indoctrinate Shepard.  He's already dying from bloodloss.


He seemed OK to me. I didn't get the impression he was in any imminent threat from blood loss.

Either indoctrinate him into commiting suicide to further their agenda or take the chance that he figures out that there are some funky devices on the Citadel that look like they were designed in anticipation of the Crucible. Shepard already knows somethings wrong cause Hackett told him as much. All he'd have to do is eventually start shooting stuff in frustration.

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gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.


Even basic machines can perform a lie of omission. The Geth, who aren't even true AI's are capable of doing so. The Catalyst is the most advanced intellect in the galaxy. If it chose not to lie, I'd say it had no motive for lying in the first place.


I wouldn't say it lie. But it's a Reaper. Have you seen Sovereign and Harbinger, the tactical minds behind the Reaper invasion?:

"CIVILIZATION. DESTROY. COMPLETE CYCLE. HYBERNATE."


Harbinger can actually be pretty longwinded, sometimes. Sovereign was a moron.

But given that we have very little contact with them, and that they consider organics to be two teirs beneath them in terms of intellectual capacity, I'd say that they speak with such blunt simplicity because they assume we're all imbeciles, incapable of understanding their motives.

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The Geth were NOT destroyed with the Reapers


Let us put to rest any idea that Destroy compromises with the Reapers in any way.

1. The demise of the Reapers does not in any way, shape or form compromise with the Kid.
2. The demise of the Intelligence does not in any way, shape or form compromise with the Kid.
3. The end of the Cycle of Extinction does not in any way, shape or form compromise with the Kid.
4. The freedom to self-determinate does not any way, shape or form compromise with the Kid.
5. The continued coexistence of synthetics and organics does not in any way, shape or form compromise with the Kid.

Many people erroneously assume that #5 is false. However, the Destroy ending never depicts the destruction of the Geth. There is, in fact, more evidence that the Geth survived the Crucible than there is evidence that they perished. Technically, there is no evidence that they perished.

The Kid says, "But be warned: others will be destroyed as well. The Crucible will not discriminate. All synthetics will be targeted. Even you are partly synthetic..."

At no point does it ever say the Geth will be eradicated along with the Reapers. It heavily implies it. Just as it never says Shepard will be killed by the Crucible. It heavily implies it. At the end of the day, the only thing it actually says is "all synthetics will be targeted". Not that all synthetics will be destroyed.

When asked for details the Kid goes on to state that, "the effects of the blast will not be constrained to the Reapers. Technology you rely on will be effected, but those who survive should have little difficulty repairing the damage."

So now all we really know is that all synthetics (i.e. technology) will be targeted and affected. The affect on non-reaper synthetics is never elaborated upon.

It ends by saying, "There will still be losses, but no more than what has already been lost."

Once again it is ambiguous. I would personally consider the loss of an entire species to be more than what has already been lost. But that's just me.

Any form of machinery is synthetic. In that regard there is no difference between a mech, an omni-tool, an alliance cruiser or a geth platform. The fact that all synthetics, which would include all those ships cruising past that broken relay, the Quarian's cybernetics and Shepard's implants, were not destroyed or disabled indicates that the Crucible was not a sawed-off shotgun after all. Tali's suit and cybernetics didn't seem to give her any trouble. Shepard can survive and his spine is synthetic in three places which were severed: the second vertebrae above the pelvis, the vertebrae right below the rib cage and his neck. If these synthetic parts failed the breathe scene would not be possible. It's not so farfetched that the Kid's implications of technological ruin, along with its claim that others (plural) would be destroyed, were false considering the Kid doesn't want you to choose Destroy. It was a plausible outcome (which made it a good lie), but ultimately misleading. When all is said and done, synthetics in general have not been destroyed or rendered inert by the Crucible.

So the next argument in favor of the idea that the Geth perished under the Crucible's blast wave is the idea that they contain reaper tech as much as EDI contains reaper tech. And therefore it would stand to reason that anything targeting the Reapers and EDI would target the Geth as well. This is an erroneous association. EDI's death is confirmed. Her name is on the Normandy's memorial wall. But it makes absolute since that the Crucible would annihilate EDI. EDI's blue box is physically composed of reaper technology; of parts that are distinctly of reaper origin, taken directly from the wreckage of Sovereign. EDI is technically a "reaper program" as her blue box is built with actual reaper parts.

However, this is not the case when it comes to the Geth. The Geth do not have parts. The Geth are software. There is nothing specifically for the Crucible to target in regards to the Geth. Tali states that Geth were loading into the cybernetics of the suits of Quarian volunteers in an effort to hasten the development of the Quarian's immune system. They are still the same software-only life forms they have always been. Yet there are still people who believe even a program can be targeted. Does the Geth's code upgrade constitute "reaper tech"? I put forth that the only things that are "reaper tech" are things that either indoctrinate, function as an extension of the Reaper's will or bear distinctive markers of the Reapers. Things that, as EDI might put it, have "reaper signatures". Otherwise, there would be no critieria for the Crucible to discriminate against and prevent the destruction of all synthetics (ships, omni-tools, display screens, Kasumi's grey box, Shepard's cybernetics, etc.)

Yet there are still people who believe even a program can be targeted. People assert that the Geth have "Reaper Code" and that this constitutes "reaper tech", but this isn't necessarily true. As far as "Reaper Code" is concerned, it's just a convenient terminology which is taken out of context. The Geth simply have a code that a single reaper destroyer designed to improve their efficiency, but it doesn't make that code distinctively reaper in essence. For instance, say a reaper was an architect and designed a house of greater sophistication and comfort than those of organic architects. The Crucible blast would not level the Reaper House, while sparing the organic designed houses, just because a reaper designed it. The house isn't "reaper tech". The term "Reaper House" is just quick and convenient jargon. The Geth remain programs distinguished from the Reapers. Legion doesn't say it was the code that allowed them to be controlled. The code was simply something that improved their efficiency. It had nothing to do with the actual control the Reapers had over them. If that was the case Legion would have turned on Shepard.

Regardless, a string of code is not something that a blast of energy can defect as it will vary based on the affiliated hardware/storage medium. A program is representation of ones and zeros (or twos, threes. fours, etc. in the future) within a medium. No standard configuration, no standard hardware and no standard matter. There is no way to isolate such a general concept as it has no definitive qualities even on an atomic level. It would have to attack either all technology or a specific hardware configuration. Otherwise, the energy blast itself would require the inteligence, the speed of discernment and conscious awareness to be able to point out and disciminate in real-time on a case by case basis. That would be reaching and downright ridiculous.

Just like the "epilogues", Bioware expected the player to make quick emotionally charged assumptions and ignore the plain facts. They needed to tempt players away from Destroy and it would be harder to do so if only EDI, a single individual, was the only thing at stake. Going back to the subject of the epilogue narration, I think a mention of the Geth's destruction would be warranted. Hackett says nothing about any such loss.

So in conclusion, Destroy is not one of the Kid's options. It is merely a possibility that the Kid points out. Destroy is the only option available that runs completely counter to the Kid's desires.


Part I: Destroy Analysis - Addendum: Low EMS Destroy-Only Scenario
Part II: Control Analysis
Part III: Synthesis Analysis
Part IV: Refuse Analysis
Part V: The Catalyst's Deceptions
Part VI: The Implications of the Leviathans

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Playing devil's advocate here.

The ending sequence with the Catalyst doesn't have to be a hallucination for it to be an indoctrination attempt.

You can't "break" an indoctrination attempt. You can only resist. Shepard choosing destroy could be his moment of resistance. As a result, the Crucible disabled the Reapers and their control over Shepard.


Now that's a way to look at it, and I'm not an ITer.

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Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.


Even basic machines can perform a lie of omission. The Geth, who aren't even true AI's are capable of doing so. The Catalyst is the most advanced intellect in the galaxy. If it chose not to lie, I'd say it had no motive for lying in the first place.


a lie of ommission from a machine is an error, not an idea. The geth are sentient, about to gain sapience once Legion, tunes them up, with dreaded reaper tech. I agree with the 'lie' thing, the catalyst not only has no reason to lie, it has no programming to lie. The crucible, apparently, instilled other choices, it had to follow those.

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The Twilight God wrote...

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1) There is literally no reason for them to indoctrinate Shepard.  He's already dying from bloodloss.


He seemed OK to me. I didn't get the impression he was in any imminent threat from blood loss.


You missed the bit where he looked down at his blood-drenched arm, couldn't get back to his feet, lost consciousness and was in obvious pain.

Either indoctrinate him into commiting suicide to further their agenda or take the chance that he figures out that there are some funky devices on the Citadel that look like they were designed in anticipation of the Crucible. Shepard already knows somethings wrong cause Hackett told him as much. All he'd have to do is eventually start shooting stuff in frustration.


There's no reason to do that.  Even if he regained consciousness, all the Catalyst has to do is shut down that console and Shepard would be powerless.  Where could he go?  What could he do?

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Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.


Even basic machines can perform a lie of omission. The Geth, who aren't even true AI's are capable of doing so. The Catalyst is the most advanced intellect in the galaxy. If it chose not to lie, I'd say it had no motive for lying in the first place.


I wouldn't say it lie. But it's a Reaper. Have you seen Sovereign and Harbinger, the tactical minds behind the Reaper invasion?:

"CIVILIZATION. DESTROY. COMPLETE CYCLE. HYBERNATE."


Harbinger can actually be pretty longwinded, sometimes. Sovereign was a moron.

But given that we have very little contact with them, and that they consider organics to be two teirs beneath them in terms of intellectual capacity, I'd say that they speak with such blunt simplicity because they assume we're all imbeciles, incapable of understanding their motives.


I recall the Catalyst said that the "Creators" made themselves into the first Reapers to prevent synthesis from taking over organics. And I'm pretty sure after a couple cycles they would just become obsessed with the whole idea.

For the Reapers, it's just basic, simple non-negotiable galactic annihilation. But they had no idea what to do when they are presented with choices (ending choices), so they do what they do best: Explain things to any random chums who made it up there

They are machines. They don't feel, they don't love, they don't sympathize, they aren't greedy, they don't worry about their future. All they know is kill. They have only one purpose. That's why they don't lie, and they definitely don't plot and scheme.

Is this concept maybe too simple to understand for you all savants?

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D24O wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Playing devil's advocate here.

The ending sequence with the Catalyst doesn't have to be a hallucination for it to be an indoctrination attempt.

You can't "break" an indoctrination attempt. You can only resist. Shepard choosing destroy could be his moment of resistance. As a result, the Crucible disabled the Reapers and their control over Shepard.


Now that's a way to look at it, and I'm not an ITer.


but on what do they pose that premise on? Saren shot himself, that broke indoctrination, just by Shep giving him a pep talk. The same happened with the Illusive man, if spoken to correctly,enough "command voice", blew the indoctrination right out of the equation. Shep resisted or became immune or adjusted to indoctrination to be able to communicate with  the catalyst in the end and the headish reapers in the mid game.. that theory essay lacks fortitude.

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Wayning_Star wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

gorezeelar wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

If the Catalyst is truly trying to deceive Shepard, then why should we believe that any of the options work? If the Catalyst's ultimate desire is Synthesis and will do everything in its power to achieve it, then why explain the other options?

Secondly, you assume that the Reapers are inherently evil, even though there's no indication that they even operate on the same set of morals. You're trying to apply organic concepts to a hyper-advanced mind.


He is a Reaper. He is a single-minded machine of destruction. He is not smart and cunning as people think he is.


Even basic machines can perform a lie of omission. The Geth, who aren't even true AI's are capable of doing so. The Catalyst is the most advanced intellect in the galaxy. If it chose not to lie, I'd say it had no motive for lying in the first place.


a lie of ommission from a machine is an error, not an idea. The geth are sentient, about to gain sapience once Legion, tunes them up, with dreaded reaper tech. I agree with the 'lie' thing, the catalyst not only has no reason to lie, it has no programming to lie. The crucible, apparently, instilled other choices, it had to follow those.


Actually, EDi is shown to be capable of lying, as are the Geth, with their whole extranet-meme trick. Also, for the Geth to be of tactical value, they needed the code to save them from the crippling damage the Quarians inflicted on their collective intelligence. A neccesary evil, if you will.

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In order to preserve the indoctrination Bioware cannot indicate in any way that your choice was "bad". You have to believe you saved the galaxy after you've put the game to away. Otherwise, you would simply pick Destroy.


What?  So they create an ending that they don't want people to see, and, when it's offered, there's a cutaway showing Anderson - a character who had been with you since the start of the series, helped you and offered you encouragement, and had a few minutes earlier just died in quite an emotional scene - carrying out this option that Bioware were apparently desperate for you to ignore?  

Also, could please explain why the Catalyst needs to use Shepard in this way?

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Wayning_Star wrote...

D24O wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Playing devil's advocate here.

The ending sequence with the Catalyst doesn't have to be a hallucination for it to be an indoctrination attempt.

You can't "break" an indoctrination attempt. You can only resist. Shepard choosing destroy could be his moment of resistance. As a result, the Crucible disabled the Reapers and their control over Shepard.


Now that's a way to look at it, and I'm not an ITer.


but on what do they pose that premise on? Saren shot himself, that broke indoctrination, just by Shep giving him a pep talk. The same happened with the Illusive man, if spoken to correctly,enough "command voice", blew the indoctrination right out of the equation. Shep resisted or became immune or adjusted to indoctrination to be able to communicate with  the catalyst in the end and the headish reapers in the mid game.. that theory essay lacks fortitude.


Neither Saren or TIM broke indoctrination. They resisted for a few seconds in order to kill themselves.

Shepard could resist indoctrination as well. The only reason he didn't kill himself is because he saw a means to end the Reaper threat.