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[Xamufam]

[The Heretic of Time]

The Twilight God; the indoctrinated forum member.

[megamacka]

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

Modifié par megamacka, 26 août 2012 - 01:24 .

[MegaSovereign]

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

That was touching. I loved it.

[Hrothdane]

MegaSovereign wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

That was touching. I loved it.

Loved it. I feel like a goddamn idiot for not saving that the first time I saw it.

[megamacka]

Sometimes there are masterpieces in the storm of facebook spam.
99% - I am sad, plz comment I need attention. But then there is that 1 %..... That 1 awesome % ^^.

[Reptilian Rob]

MegaSovereign wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

That was touching. I loved it.

Not just touching, it's the truth.

It's what you came to do, no compromise, no wavering. 

[Steelcan]

This idea of yours Twilight is everything ive been thinking of and speculating about but never put down into writing, now I don't have to.

Modifié par Steelcan, 26 août 2012 - 02:34 .

[megamacka]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

That was touching. I loved it.

Not just touching, it's the truth.

It's what you came to do, no compromise, no wavering. 

How do you compromise with something monstrous that has been trying to annihilate your very existence and harvested cycle upon cycle for thousand upon thousands of years. It's not about revenge, there is no compromise. They are machines, they calculate but some things cannot be calculated ( like the salarians '' calculated '' about the genophage '' ). If the writers truly wanted us to believe in the reapers and feel sorry for them and apologize to them for being '' human '' and submit to them by joining them ( synthesis is basically joining them, you can tell yourself otherwise if you wish.... Mr/ Miss Disney  ). Then no.... NO NO NO NO NO whomever wrote the ending.... You are a silly silly man, a very silly man. That deserves a good spanking..... With a nailbat..... 

   '' Darkness sings a violent song yet our hope can still rise up, Nightmares come where shadows grow ''
Indeed Guild wars 2 you got it right..... Nightmares comes where shadows grow but I preservered through their silly indoctrination attempts. Hard rock hallelujah! 


  Bit late to try and '' compromise '' the last five minutes in the series rofl. Right after you've just killed countless of innocent lives <_<....
Sorry, but I was listening to that GW2 song and I came to think of shepards dreams when I heard it and I got all emotional ^^.

Modifié par megamacka, 26 août 2012 - 03:04 .

[Reptilian Rob]

megamacka wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

That was touching. I loved it.

Not just touching, it's the truth.

It's what you came to do, no compromise, no wavering. 

How do you compromise with something monstrous that has been trying to annihilate your very existence and harvested cycle upon cycle for thousand upon thousands of years. It's not about revenge, there is no compromise. They are machines, they calculate but some things cannot be calculated ( like the salarians '' calculated '' about the genophage '' ). If the writers truly wanted us to believe in the reapers and feel sorry for them and apologize to them for being '' human '' and submit to them by joining them ( synthesis is basically joining them, you can tell yourself otherwise if you wish.... Mr/ Miss Disney  ). Then no.... NO NO NO NO NO whomever wrote the ending.... You are a silly silly man, a very silly man. That deserves a good spanking..... With a nailbat..... 

   '' Darkness sings a violent song yet our hope can still rise up, Nightmares come where shadows grow ''
Indeed Guild wars 2 you got it right..... Nightmares comes where shadows grow but I preservered through their silly indoctrination attempts. Hard rock hallelujah! 


  Bit late to try and '' compromise '' the last five minutes in the series rofl. Right after you've just killed countless of innocent lives <_<....
Sorry, but I was listening to that GW2 song and I came to think of shepards dreams when I heard it and I got all emotional ^^.

Hell yes! 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

Yep, the blind leading the blind is very poignant indeed. 

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 26 août 2012 - 06:12 .

[megamacka]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

Yep, the blind leading the blind is very poignant indeed. 

Can you elaborate?

[The Twilight God]

Fixers0 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
 The only thing it can control is the reaper device in the docking chamber

And the Crucible itself, to be correct.

It can draw power from it. If it could control the Crucible there would be no way to initiate destory as it could just keep it from firing or shut it down.

If you disagree. Fine. If you want to argue the point go to my destroy post and argue against my evidence point by point. If you cannot rebute my reasoning and are simply going to say the Kid controls the Crucible just because you say so, I'm going to ignore you. I'm done talking in circles with people. 

Fixers0 wrote...

I have to ask: why the difference.

And wouldn't it be a much more easier conclusion that  the endings we're just really lousy written and that the Concepts of Control and synthesis don't make any sense on  a basic level.

Wouldn't it be easier to ignore how rainbows appear and just say god did it? 

No, that would require me to skip over the most logical in-game conclusion to come to an illogical conclusion (ignoring the story, lore, events, dialog, etc.) that amounts to "god did it". You can't logically jump to bad writting until you've exhausted the possibilities. As everything makes sense and is narratively and thematically consistent, bad writting isn't a valid theory.

You are welcome to believe in the Bad Writting Theory and hold on to your sunshine and butterflies if that makes you happy. 

Fixers0 wrote...

And one other question, with Control and synthesis is that  you claim that Shepard has no prior data that  grabbing the control prongs/jumping into the beam will do nothing but kill him, and i have to ask, isn't the same applicable to destroy?, you shoot the tube, explosion follows, Shepard dead, Reapers continue. 

No, shooting some tubes does not require him to suicide himself leaving no one behind to save the galaxy if it failed.
Destroy is a known possibility before you arrive. Control and synthesis are not.
The control prongs and synthesis array ar ebuilt into the Citadel. There is no "console" for Destroy.

Why would shooting tubes in and of itself kill Shepard? Shepard has no need to walk up to the tubes (he has a gun). The player has to walk up to it for the sake of cinematic vision.

[megamacka]

[Steelcan]

megamacka wrote...

I think your missing the point of that meme

[Fixers0]

The Twilight God wrote...

It can draw power from it. If it could control the Crucible there would be no way to initiate destory as it could just keep it from firing or shut it down.

So, who shuts of the the Beam in refuse? And i don't think it's Shepard.

The Twilight God wrote...
Wouldn't it be easier to ignore how rainbows appear and just say god did it? 

No, that would require me to skip over the most logical in-game conclusion to come to an illogical conclusion (ignoring the story, lore, events, dialog, etc.) that amounts to "god did it". You can't logically jump to bad writting until you've exhausted the possibilities. As everything makes sense and is narratively and thematically consistent, bad writting isn't a valid theory.

You are welcome to believe in the Bad Writting Theory and hold on to your sunshine and butterflies if that makes you happy.

When Elements within the story are in conflict with it's own established lore, plot holes star arrise due to illogical events, Retcons are appearing and contrived plot devices are called for and then handwaved, isn't it safe to say that the endings were indeed veru poorly written.

The Twilight God wrote...
No, shooting some tubes does not require him to suicide himself leaving no one behind to save the galaxy if it failed.
Destroy is a known possibility before you arrive. Control and synthesis are not.

Shepard has as much evidence that grabbing the Control prongs will kill him as shooting the Destroy conduit will kill him

The Twilight God wrote...
The control prongs and synthesis array ar ebuilt into the Citadel. There is no "console" for Destroy.

Incorrect, here's some visual evidence:

[megamacka]

ajb314 wrote...

I haven't posted in a while, but I just watched the "extended cut documentary" that has been making its way around the BSN (created by clevernoob). I watched the whole thing (although I barely made it through) and must say that within 5 minutes I realized once again how much better this thesis is than the IT proper (meaning the "it was all a dream" theory). If the narrator said the words "maybe", "might be", "perhaps" or "possibly" one more time I was going to scream. He also continues to use the word "plausible", despite the fact that in most cases there are possibly hundreds of plausible explanations for what is happening. He offers very little hard evidence and makes too many guesses. There was so much speculation and so much concern for what the developers intended, the narrator completely ignores the deductive process. While there was some good examination (that might actually support this thesis) I truly feel that the main IT theory is so contrived and worries far too much about what MIGHT have happened instead of examining what ACTUALLY happened. So I must reiterate my support for this theory (and thus give it a *bump*). Once again...Well done Twilight God.

What I've been saying for a long time. Clevernoob is an arrogant douche whom talk too much ****.
I think it's sad how much views / support his getting.

  I am watching it right now though, want to give him a chance at the very least. But his so called '' evidence '' are not evidence at all.... It's just laziness ( for example the corpse piles on the citadel ). He claimed something about the corpses wearing the same armor as ashley in ME1 being evidence or something lol...

  '' Harbringers beam starts from BEHIND the squad members in the low EMS instead of IN FRONT of them to avoid killing shepard ''  .... No clevernoob..... It's simply a cinematic view choice *facepalm... Beam in front of squad = wont see the squad die / reaction --> no emotion --> mad fans.

Modifié par megamacka, 27 août 2012 - 12:42 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

megamacka wrote...

[megamacka]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

megamacka wrote...

I am not the one whom made the meme. Mr sour puss.
Why are you still wasting your time here though? You've already made it clear that you don't support this.

Modifié par megamacka, 27 août 2012 - 02:12 .

[The Twilight God]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
 The only thing it can control is the reaper device in the docking chamber

And the Crucible itself, to be correct.

The Twilight God wrote...
The final battle is against indoctrination. It is a battle of will and conviction. Some of us won. Some of you lost.

I have to ask: why the difference.

And wouldn't it be a much more easier conclusion that  the endings we're just really lousy written and that the Concepts of Control and synthesis don't make any sense on  a basic level.

And one other question, with Control and synthesis is that  you claim that Shepard has no prior data that  grabbing the control prongs/jumping into the beam will do nothing but kill him, and i have to ask, isn't the same applicable to destroy?, you shoot the tube, explosion follows, Shepard dead, Reapers continue. 

1. the docking chamber is part of the crucible.
2.Control makes sense. It's a mass rewrite of the reapers and catalyst systems.
Added you need to understand that the catalystis forced to help Shepard. The catalyst is not lieing.

1.No it isn't.. You see exactly where the Crucible begins and ends in the docking cutscene. Nothing at eye level is part of the Crucible. They contraption at eye level is physically hardwired into the Citadel.

2. Control makes absolutely no sense. The Reapers build a device for the purpose of letting someone else take control of them? That is absurd in and of itself.

And the Kid isn't forced to do anything. In fact, the entire time it's stalling chatting you up the Reapers continue to engage Sword and Shield. Why won't it make the Reapers stand down if it's forced to help Shepard? Why do the Reapers destroy the Crucible if Shepard dallies for too long? If the Kid cannot control the Reapers and make then stop fighting how is Shepard going to stop them by taking it's place? It's wholly absurd. It is an narrative impossibility for anything good to come of Control.

[Fixers0]

1.No it isn't.. You see exactly where the Crucible begins and ends in the docking cutscene. Nothing at eye level is part of the Crucible. They contraption at eye level is physically hardwired into the Citadel.

Look closely at the picture, and pay attention to the descriptions.

Modifié par Fixers0, 27 août 2012 - 04:16 .

[Fat Head]

Fixers0 wrote...

1.No it isn't.. You see exactly where the Crucible begins and ends in the docking cutscene. Nothing at eye level is part of the Crucible. They contraption at eye level is physically hardwired into the Citadel.

Look closely at the picture, and pay attention to the descriptions.

He talked about this very same image almost 2 weeks ago.  Please go back and read the thread.  It's not that long and also has already countered a lot of the things you're asking, and are probably going to ask.

The Twilight God wrote...

Fedi.St wrote...

twilight god. It may seems that we were both wrong.

http://dl.dropbox.co...ation_small.png 

 
Doesn't seem that way to me.
 
Couple of problems:

1. Whatever it is it is small enough to fit within the "grasp" of the Crucible dock fingers. There is no possible way all that stuff could fit into a shape that thin. My guess is that it eventually breaks off like those other parts we see.
2. Those contraptions have cables running into the Citadel. It isn't something that just laying on top of the Citadel. Follow the cables on both the Control and Power Junction and see where they lead.
3. There are no bendable parts. All the canitlevers are solid steel or finished concrete. No joints.
4. If you look to your right past the power junction you'll notice some of the parts that would be the extended "legs" of this proposed nubbin extend underneath parts that are definitively the Citadel (looks like a walkway for 2 addtional future endings). Which means it would have to slide in vs. extending over and setting down on top.
5. The rings of solar panel looking parts on the inside of the cantilevers have no breaks for folding even if it was possible for the rest of the contraption to fold. 
6. Pic #6 in the photo doesn't even match up with the actual contraption on the Citadel or the nubbin. Somebody pulled that model out of their ass. It completely ignores entire sections of the thing and look nothing like it is presented in pic #1 (which is clearly a cylinder).
7. There is still the issue of the walkway that forks into three paths (I think this is more Bioware presenting a conversation wheel so I'm willing to ignore it)

Conclusion: It is physically impossible for that object to to be the contraption in question.  

 

The most important thing in the counter argument is #6.  Actually have done some 3D modelling myself AND having two friends that work in the field professionally, I can tell you that is no trick of the eye, or low-resolution mis-judgement.  That image in #6 in no way is the same piece of equipment modelled in any of the other picture.  It was definitely made by someone, likely with an agenda to try and debunk some theory.  It even clearly states that it's a "mockup" meaning that it was not grabbed from any original source but recreated in an attempt to give it clarity.

Modifié par Fat Head, 27 août 2012 - 04:35 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

megamacka wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

Yep, the blind leading the blind is very poignant indeed. 

Can you elaborate?

'Pic is out-of-touch with reality, and thus, is very sad in what it's showing.

There is a big decision to be made and Shepard is being lead like a lost little sheep rather than being strong and doing what she thinks is best for the galaxy as she's always done.

Apart from no longer being a leader, but a follower, they're choosing what benefits them the least. Not saying Destroy is bad or invalid, but Control and Synthesis easily do much more good. But that's not even being considered, instead it's purely an emotionally-charged (thus irrational) decision.

Some of the squadmates being shown there are laughable as well. EDI and Legion will both die. Legion rather obviously foreshadowed synthesis in the Rannoch arc when he sacrifices himself...

"Don't forget orders" only further re-affirms that follower-not-leader theme going on as well. As for "come back alive" ... kinda hard to do when you're standing on the Citadel while it's exploding over the sky.

Pure shock-value pic. Sad... and not in a very good way.

[megamacka]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

megamacka wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

megamacka wrote...

Picture too big for posting lol.

http://imgur.com/Pxij4 

That pic says it all.
No.... I have not forgotten :´(

Yep, the blind leading the blind is very poignant indeed. 

Can you elaborate?

'Pic is out-of-touch with reality, and thus, is very sad in what it's showing.

There is a big decision to be made and Shepard is being lead like a lost little sheep rather than being strong and doing what she thinks is best for the galaxy as she's always done.

Apart from no longer being a leader, but a follower, they're choosing what benefits them the least. Not saying Destroy is bad or invalid, but Control and Synthesis easily do much more good. But that's not even being considered, instead it's purely an emotionally-charged (thus irrational) decision.

Some of the squadmates being shown there are laughable as well. EDI and Legion will both die. Legion rather obviously foreshadowed synthesis in the Rannoch arc when he sacrifices himself...

"Don't forget orders" only further re-affirms that follower-not-leader theme going on as well. As for "come back alive" ... kinda hard to do when you're standing on the Citadel while it's exploding over the sky.

Pure shock-value pic. Sad... and not in a very good way.

Some of us don't believe in the random reaper starbrat that appears out of nowhere and is supposed to change our entire view of them and the galaxy in the last two minutes tho :-). I think it's a nice pic that speaks for us whom believe in this thesis. '' Don't trust in the voices in your head nor the reapers '' aka indoctrination. But I see what you mean from your interpretation.

   I want to believe in space magic, rainbows and sunshine... I really do.... But no. Just no .

Modifié par megamacka, 27 août 2012 - 04:45 .