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The Twilight God wrote...

But people don't like the ending and would rather have nonsense endings that make them feel good vs. a plausible ending with only one real choice. As much as people rant about the "bad writing", the turth is they need it to be bad writing and make a conscious choice to believe it is so despite evidence to the contrary. This is a part of human nature.


Except the event as in the ending can only be literary identified as bad writing, unless you use speculative conjecture or headcannon to invent plot points that in reality aren't there, not saying it can't be true, but until further notice, it's bad writing.

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Fixers0 paraphrased...

The Twilight God wrote...

But people don't like the ending and would rather have nonsense endings that make them feel good vs. a plausible ending with only one real choice. As much as people rant about the "bad writing", the turth is they need it to be bad writing and make a conscious choice to believe it is so despite evidence to the contrary. This is a part of human nature.


I'm gonna make an assertion and offer no evidence whatsoever to support it. It's bad writing because I say so.


We've already been down this road Fixer0. Why don't you save yourself the time and embarasment and go tuck tail and run away now like we all know you will do. Feel free to address my thesis. I believe I suggested you make a formal rebuttal of one of them: destroy, synthesis, control or refuse. Go through one, jot down which parts you disagree with and explain why I'm wrong. Otherwise, you're just spewing hot air. Put up or shut up.

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Just something that I came to think of.
Why would losing mars mean that they would lose the entire system?
And what good would shepard and the Normandy alone do? Hackett is all like '' if we lose Mars we lose the entire system '' okay.... no troops, only shepard and the normandy against an army of reapers invading... what?
WHy not just say '' important artifact go get it ? '' xD.

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@Twighlight God: Here's a thought.

You state that area where you make the final game decision (Destroy/Control/Synthesis) and the devices used to make the choice (Control prongs/Destroy tube) are actually part of the Citadel, not the Crucible itself. This makes a lot of sense to me... but how did these mechanisms get on the Citadel in the first place?

My suggestion is the Illusive Man.

We KNOW for a fact that TIM was working on technology which he believed would help him take Control of the Reapers. So, if TIM was working on this technology, and TIM has been on the Citadel for an unknown lengh of time - possibly even before it was moved to Earth - it follows that TIM could well have been the one to install the Control prongs himself - and even the Destroy tube, which as you point out could well be acting as a safety catch that prevents the Crucible from firing.

This is supported of course by the vision you see of TIM using the prongs (which would be technology he had created, and knew how to use).

There is even more support for this idea when you look at your choice in the low EMS endings - if you handed the Collector base over to TIM, Control is your only option. The technology you handed to Cerberus has allowed TIM to improve the "Control" process.

If you Destroyed the Collector base, Destroy is your only option - TIM hasn't had the time or resources to fully implement the Control process, but has managed to install a mechanism which will prevent the Crucible from fulfilling it's purpose.

This probably needs some refinement, but any thoughts on the suggestion?

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megamacka wrote...

Just something that I came to think of.
Why would losing mars mean that they would lose the entire system?
And what good would shepard and the Normandy alone do? Hackett is all like '' if we lose Mars we lose the entire system '' okay.... no troops, only shepard and the normandy against an army of reapers invading... what?
WHy not just say '' important artifact go get it ? '' xD.


no no see it again. It says that they have to go to mars before they lose control of the entire system.

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You've been indoctrinated if you choose anything but destroy. The kid is a manifestation of shepard's guilt. The kid lies. The kid presents absurd options that deliver pie in the sky endings for either shepard or society which we've already seen to be NOT as the kid presents. Examples:

1. Saren was synthesis in the boss fight at the end of ME1 and look what he turned into - a laser spitting machine that was hell bent on killing and IIRC or if I heard correctly, it sounded like Harbinger. So that's what synthesis gets you.

2. It's utterly absurd to imagine or think that Reapers would ever ALLOW themselves to be controlled by an inferior species. No matter what logic you present, it will not fit with anything presented regarding the reapers to date. All they care about is harvesting organics which represent CHAOS to them and are nothing to them other than inferior tools to be used by them for their harvests. Also, they are the most advance intelligence known in the history of civilization. On what delusional plane of existence can one even possibly consider or imagine such an entity allowing itself to be controlled by an inferior life form? And don't say it's the crucible or the kid allowing it. That's spiked cool aid or better yet, INDOCTRINATION.

Also, on virmire (I think virmire but maybe just before the boss fight), Saren basically says something akin to the reapers seeing the value of shepard and wanting shepard to join them. Yes, join them and become One of them.  Saren joined them, and we see the results of that. Join them so you cannot warn of our impending destruction of all advanced civilization in the galaxy. Funny how they WANT shepard to join them or more accurately I'd say convenient since Shepard opposes them and aims to stop them and has seen they are coming in force and what happens when they arrive thanks to the beacons and cipher. And now, just as Shepard is about to destroy them we get this wonderful option to control the reapers. You are being indoctrinated if you can't even deduce that they will NEVER allow you to control them. There is nothing special about Shepard. It's delusional and part of the indoctrination process which happen in close proximity to reaper tech which at that moment shepard is inside reaper tech and it's deliberately making a hard push to indoctrinate shepard which would explain the headache shepard appeared to have while talking with Illusive Man. Intensified indoctrination can cause headaches as stated somewhere in all this lore. Drink the cool aid, buy what the starchild (who happens to sound like Harbinger if you choose refuse - do you need more difinitive proof at who starchild is than that?) says and become indoctrinated into believing you are making a fantastic decision for the sake of the galaxy.

Both pie in the sky options that are not destroy are there to prevent you from destroying the reapers. They are aiming to indoctrinate you so you won't destroy them. They will lie, manipulate, etc to get you to choose to not destroy them. They also want you to accept it willingly or do they need you to willingly choose? Not sure on that point or why but since refusal brings out Harbinger and then we're back at square one, I'm going to say that indoctrination cannot happen unless you allow it to happen and refusal is you not allowing it to happen. It dooms the galaxy, but it does not get shepard to become its servant, which it seems was what it wanted back on Virmire as said by saren. Another indoctrinated spectre? Win for the reapers.

People can believe what they want, which is the point of the whole trilogy. You choose and your choices shape what happens. Look at how many people throughout history and even currently believe things that are false or damaging or just plain old lies. But you have a choice to not believe these things. You can reject them. You can see them for what they are. If you'd prefer to believe some magical pie in the sky option exists then so be it. If it makes you feel better, believe it. Just remember that just because you believe it doesn't make it true. Also, anything that seems to good to be true, particularly when presented to you under diress as an option just before you are about to destroy it is probably NOT TRUE. There is an agenda here. The reapers want to survive which is why they want to destroy the leviathans since they are reaper killers. But you, as Shepard, get to have power over them via control or bettter yet reshape all species into what they want but they make it look so good it's hard to not choose it if you haven't paid attention. No need to harvest in cycles anymore when you can transform the entire galaxy in one swift moment to the advantage of the reapers while turning all 'lesser' life into their slaves (Remember the collector ship when they discover that the collector was once a prothean? Does anyone actually imagine that synthesis is anything but that sort of transformation?). That is synthesis though it looks nice and pie in the sky, doesn't it?

If it looks too good to be true, it is. More accurately, if it looks too good to be true it is indoctrination in action and a form of hallucination or delusion or something of the like. Destroy is the only option where you know for sure organics are not going to be destroyed and reapers are. Also, it was the original intent to destroy them as soon as shepard learned of them and what they do. But at the last moment when shepard has the ability to do that here come these picture perfect options where nobody gets destroyed? And let's not forget that the starchild resembles the child shepard feels guilt over and that whomever died on virmire haunts his/her dreams where this starchild keeps appearing. Reapers are using guilt to indoctrinate. Pick the pretty blue or green options and no blood is shed, all is well and you get to live in a fairytale until you become a mindless husk.

BW will never admit it, but they just pulled the most massive mind screw in the history of gaming or even media. As much as many hate the ending because it wasn't traditional with the big boss fight and epic hero depending on what magic pill you swallow (blue, green, red), they just indoctrinated the majority of their players and proved how easily such a thing can be done. More amusing, how hard the indoctrinated will push against the reality that they have been indoctrinated just as it has always been. People will fight for their beliefs even when they make no sense.

Modifié par starlitegirlx, 30 septembre 2012 - 03:14 .


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The Twilight God wrote...

We've already been down this road Fixer0. Why don't you save yourself the time and embarasment and go tuck tail and run away now like we all know you will do. Feel free to address my thesis. I believe I suggested you make a formal rebuttal of one of them: destroy, synthesis, control or refuse. Go through one, jot down which parts you disagree with and explain why I'm wrong. Otherwise, you're just spewing hot air. Put up or shut up.



I don't necessarily disagree with your thesis, though i do find it more conjecture then truth, i disgree that you disagree that the endings were poorly written, which there is plenty of evidence off, such as this.

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twilight god did well by changing the topic into deception because as I said in other threads is deception not hallucination.

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@Twighlight God: Here's a thought.

You state that area where you make the final game decision (Destroy/Control/Synthesis) and the devices used to make the choice (Control prongs/Destroy tube) are actually part of the Citadel, not the Crucible itself. This makes a lot of sense to me... but how did these mechanisms get on the Citadel in the first place?

My suggestion is the Illusive Man.

We KNOW for a fact that TIM was working on technology which he believed would help him take Control of the Reapers. So, if TIM was working on this technology, and TIM has been on the Citadel for an unknown lengh of time - possibly even before it was moved to Earth - it follows that TIM could well have been the one to install the Control prongs himself - and even the Destroy tube, which as you point out could well be acting as a safety catch that prevents the Crucible from firing.

This is supported of course by the vision you see of TIM using the prongs (which would be technology he had created, and knew how to use).

There is even more support for this idea when you look at your choice in the low EMS endings - if you handed the Collector base over to TIM, Control is your only option. The technology you handed to Cerberus has allowed TIM to improve the "Control" process.

If you Destroyed the Collector base, Destroy is your only option - TIM hasn't had the time or resources to fully implement the Control process, but has managed to install a mechanism which will prevent the Crucible from fulfilling it's purpose.

This probably needs some refinement, but any thoughts on the suggestion?


Interesting thoughts.

I figured the devices where built by the keepers in case such an actuality occurred. Remember in ME2 how Anderson said the keepers were these heavy lifters who would fix things and make them look pretty in no time and how they helped with the rebuilding? I'd venture to say that at some point in time, perhaps even going back to the protheans during their fight against the reapers or even predating that, the reapers deduced there would come a time when they might have to have an out that would keep them from being destroyed. To no present a destroy option would automatically trigger disbelief by the one about to destroy them. So they created all three options, two of which suit their purposes or wants and one of which is present and an option but will be belittled and diminished by the starchild.

As for the starchild, if you refuse, you hear harbinger's voice. So I am also convinced that starchild is either an indoctrination technique or some kind of AI the reapers created to manipulate the situation should it ever come to pass. Draw attention from the destroy option though it has to be theres otherwise you'd know instantly something is wrong since anyone who gets that far is aiming to destroy them. Then present the other options and shine them up so they look all perfect and pretty and so they are easier to choose than destroy.

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Fedi.St wrote...

twilight god did well by changing the topic into deception because as I said in other threads is deception not hallucination.


Actually, yes. I'd go with this but still say it's IT. I'm now thinking based on my reply to a previous post that the devices to choose the outcome were built by the keepers and then they created an AI to manipulate whomever made it that far so they would not choose destroy. The most intelligent beings in the galaxy are probably NOT going to dismiss the possibility that one could find a way to destroy them or at least try to do so. Planning for it would be the most intelligent option.

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exactly.

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Fixers0 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

But people don't like the ending and would rather have nonsense endings that make them feel good vs. a plausible ending with only one real choice. As much as people rant about the "bad writing", the turth is they need it to be bad writing and make a conscious choice to believe it is so despite evidence to the contrary. This is a part of human nature.


Except the event as in the ending can only be literary identified as bad writing, unless you use speculative conjecture or headcannon to invent plot points that in reality aren't there, not saying it can't be true, but until further notice, it's bad writing.


Bad writing only if you did not pay attention to all the events from ME1 and ME2. Excellent writing ending wise if you look at the trilogy as a whole and make sense of it rather than just play it like any other game. That's why there are so many that refuse to accept or believe IT. They play games to play games and want a boss fight at the end because they've been trained that way. However, ME was a story. Maybe it wasn't a perfectly written story and had some weaker areas, but IT holds and actually, given that the other two games had boss fights at the end but the final part of the trilogy didn't, it's more logical to conclude there was a specific reason why which had NOTHING to do with bad writing. This was a multiyear development and in ME1 indoctrination is shoved down our throat in pretty much every major mission barring picking up Liara though even that is there only less so.

Some say ME1 is repetitive and that makes it bad writing, but when you set out with a trilogy, generally you have an outline and know where it's going to end. But in order for it to end that way and hold merit there need to be clues along the way to support that ending if it is something beyond the typical boss fight. The set up for this ending began with a very strong push in ME1. It was drilled into our heads. ME2 then added elements to expand upon ME1 while prepping for ME3. It also very shrewdly plays to the indoctrination aspect as we learn that the protheans became collectors and though it's not stated directly as far as I can remember, on some level that implies indoctrination. It's brought back into the picture peripherally because the BW is about to pull the biggest mind screw ever on all its gamers. And in order to do so, it needs to not be direct in presentation because then you would see it coming and the ending would be predicted. So if you are about to brainwash the majority of your gamers without them knowing or realizing it unless they've been playing it beyond the gaming aspect and paying attention to specific information given, most especially some of the most subtle information, you need to be very careful in how you disseminate that information. Problem is people want a certain kind of ending and a certain kind of game. They don't want to think. They don't want to do anything but play their game and have that certain ending they've been trained to expect via movies, TV and games. Anything else will be rejected except by the few who paid close attention to the small details, almost detective like, and wasn't just playing a game but rather following the story and all the developments along the way.

People are free to believe what they want, but the fact that ME3's ending deviates so vastly from the two previous ones should make it pretty clear that we're not in typical game land anymore and the major deviation was for a reason which would be hard for most to grasp because they've already been brainwashed to expect certain things in TV, movies and games. They want everything to fit into that mold and when it doesn't they force it to do so, even when it's blatantly obvious that such a major deviation in the end of the trilogy makes no sense other than there was a grand plan at play here.

How hard would it have been to write a big old boss fight? To do something like ME2 with some cool suicide mission variation? But they didn't go that way. Why? Blame bad writing all you want but fact is there was a template in place and it would have been easy to follow it. The most horribly stupid and untalented writers can follow such a template. Big boss fight for finale? Check! But they didn't. They deviated so drastically that fans lost it. Why? Because they wanted to show how indoctrination is a slow process that people rarely even know is taking place. Guess what? They succeeded. And indoctrinated people stay lost or enslaved to that until something snaps them out of it as witnessed by Leviathan DLC where people come out of it after 10 years.

IT is ingenious and devious, and it worked on most of the gamers. And BW just proved how easy it is to brainwash a group of people (or indoctrinate them) over time if you do it indirectly EVEN when they've been given all the information they need in the very beginning to be on guard against such a thing. The more you argue against IT, the more you show yourself to be the perfect example of what happens to someone who has been indoctrinated. But hey, it's only a game, except indoctrination happens everyday across the planet and the effects are generally negative for societies, for nations, and for people on whole.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

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You should really try literary analysis.

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Fixers0 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

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You should really try literary analysis.


You just love playing the 'I'm oh so superior' role, don't you? It always comes back to that with you. I've read your posts in this thread and have to wonder why you continute to come here and poke and jab at others. If you don't believe it, just move on to another thread. But that's not how you function.

Does it give your ego the boost it needs to judge others and imply or tell them directly or indirectly that they are not intelligent or that they don't understand literary analysis or whatever other comment you have to post? Most mature people who don't need to troll or make digs at others stay out of threads that they aren't in line with belief wise or intellectually. Yet, you come and poke and make your comments. Why is that? What need are you filling? It can't be a healthy one. Healthy, mature people don't poke at others or their beliefs or ideas at least not as I have seen you do in this thread.

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starlitegirlx wrote...

You just love playing the 'I'm oh so superior' role, don't you? It always comes back to that with you. I've read your posts in this thread and have to wonder why you continute to come here and poke and jab at others. If you don't believe it, just move on to another thread. But that's not how you function. 

Does it give your ego the boost it needs to judge others and imply or tell them directly or indirectly that they are not intelligent or that they don't understand literary analysis or whatever other comment you have to post? Most mature people who don't need to troll or make digs at others stay out of threads that they aren't in line with belief wise or intellectually. Yet, you come and poke and make your comments. Why is that? What need are you filling? It can't be a healthy one. Healthy, mature people don't poke at others or their beliefs or ideas at least not as I have seen you do in this thread.


I'm just providing you a mere tool to accept the hard truth that comes with the Mass Effect 3 endings, nothing more, nothing less.

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Fixers0 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

You just love playing the 'I'm oh so superior' role, don't you? It always comes back to that with you. I've read your posts in this thread and have to wonder why you continute to come here and poke and jab at others. If you don't believe it, just move on to another thread. But that's not how you function. 

Does it give your ego the boost it needs to judge others and imply or tell them directly or indirectly that they are not intelligent or that they don't understand literary analysis or whatever other comment you have to post? Most mature people who don't need to troll or make digs at others stay out of threads that they aren't in line with belief wise or intellectually. Yet, you come and poke and make your comments. Why is that? What need are you filling? It can't be a healthy one. Healthy, mature people don't poke at others or their beliefs or ideas at least not as I have seen you do in this thread.


I'm just providing you a mere tool to accept the hard truth that comes with the Mass Effect 3 endings, nothing more, nothing less.


So the truth is what you say and only that? 
Oh how I love the interwebs. '' I am the only one that is correct even if the developers themselves said that interpretation and what is canon is up to the individual, I don't care because surely I can never be wrong and everyone whom says otherwise is a bad person and deserves a horrific death by kittens ''....... Get over yourself. This thread is about TWGs interpretation. If you don't like it, would it really kill you to ignore it and move on?

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Fixers0 wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

You just love playing the 'I'm oh so superior' role, don't you? It always comes back to that with you. I've read your posts in this thread and have to wonder why you continute to come here and poke and jab at others. If you don't believe it, just move on to another thread. But that's not how you function. 

Does it give your ego the boost it needs to judge others and imply or tell them directly or indirectly that they are not intelligent or that they don't understand literary analysis or whatever other comment you have to post? Most mature people who don't need to troll or make digs at others stay out of threads that they aren't in line with belief wise or intellectually. Yet, you come and poke and make your comments. Why is that? What need are you filling? It can't be a healthy one. Healthy, mature people don't poke at others or their beliefs or ideas at least not as I have seen you do in this thread.


I'm just providing you a mere tool to accept the hard truth that comes with the Mass Effect 3 endings, nothing more, nothing less.


I CHOOSE to not accept that tool. Thanks for the offer though. Just because you believe it to be the hard truth doesn't mean other people wish to follow that line of thought. In fact, delving into other possibilities is rather amusing and interesting. Personally, I love the idea of IT given most of what is out there is pure garbage geared to an audience of mindless drones who like to watch things go boom and see lots of half naked people.

I will say that you seem to be intelligent and probably versed in literature and writing based on some of your comments. College educated quite likely or smart in general. If too young to be in college then intelligent for you age. All that said, I have to ask why you can't appreciate that others might just come to this thread to speculate and ponder things because they enjoy it and it keeps their minds working in ways that other things don't. Why can't you just allow them to do that instead of needing to keep shoving back how it's bad writing and we're wrong, etc.?

People's minds don't get enough work these days. Too much reality TV, poorly written movies and books. So some of us take what we can find where we find it. We toy with it and bounce it around because it beats the alternative of becoming a mindless drone. If you don't agree, fine. But let people like me and others in this thread amuse ourselves and imagine that there's something more fascinating going on in the ME3 ending because such an opportunity is rarely provided. I'm sure you can appreciate that, can't you? Just let us be and have fun with the idea that maybe there was a bigger picture here that was much more interesting than ending in a boss fight. Surely you can appreciate that. Surely you can appreciate that even it was bad writing, the idea of IT is, at the very least, interesting and we like to work with it like it's a mystery to solve. Doesn't matter if doesn't hold up completely. It does matter that it gives us something to ponder. You can appreciate that, can't you? Minds in search of something more intelligent that most of what is out there. Let us be in peace. Let us enjoy ourselves whether you agree or not.

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So the truth is what you say and only that? 
Oh how I love the interwebs. '' I am the only one that is correct even if the developers themselves said that interpretation and what is canon is up to the individual, I don't care because surely I can never be wrong and everyone whom says otherwise is a bad person and deserves a horrific death by kittens ''....... Get over yourself. This thread is about TWGs interpretation. If you don't like it, would it really kill you to ignore it and move on?


What i'm saying is irrelvant, facts matters, opinions don't.

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Fixers0 wrote...
I'm just providing you a mere tool to accept the hard truth that comes with the Mass Effect 3 endings, nothing more, nothing less.

Actually, what you're doing is trolling.  And there's nothing intellectual about that.

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I CHOOSE to not accept that tool. Thanks for the offer though. Just because you believe it to be the hard truth doesn't mean other people wish to follow that line of thought. In fact, delving into other possibilities is rather amusing and interesting. Personally, I love the idea of IT given most of what is out there is pure garbage geared to an audience of mindless drones who like to watch things go boom and see lots of half naked people.

I will say that you seem to be intelligent and probably versed in literature and writing based on some of your comments. College educated quite likely or smart in general. If too young to be in college then intelligent for you age. All that said, I have to ask why you can't appreciate that others might just come to this thread to speculate and ponder things because they enjoy it and it keeps their minds working in ways that other things don't. Why can't you just allow them to do that instead of needing to keep shoving back how it's bad writing and we're wrong, etc.?

People's minds don't get enough work these days. Too much reality TV, poorly written movies and books. So some of us take what we can find where we find it. We toy with it and bounce it around because it beats the alternative of becoming a mindless drone. If you don't agree, fine. But let people like me and others in this thread amuse ourselves and imagine that there's something more fascinating going on in the ME3 ending because such an opportunity is rarely provided. I'm sure you can appreciate that, can't you? Just let us be and have fun with the idea that maybe there was a bigger picture here that was much more interesting than ending in a boss fight. Surely you can appreciate that. Surely you can appreciate that even it was bad writing, the idea of IT is, at the very least, interesting and we like to work with it like it's a mystery to solve. Doesn't matter if doesn't hold up completely. It does matter that it gives us something to ponder. You can appreciate that, can't you? Minds in search of something more intelligent that most of what is out there. Let us be in peace. Let us enjoy ourselves whether you agree or not.



You're free to believe to IT or DT, as the narrative doesn't interfere with them, I am however trying to concivce you lot that elements as present in the ending can be identified as bad writing.

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

Actually, what you're doing is trolling.  And there's nothing intellectual about that.


You're the troll here, as you've yet to add substational comments.

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Fixers0 wrote...

megamacka wrote...

So the truth is what you say and only that? 
Oh how I love the interwebs. '' I am the only one that is correct even if the developers themselves said that interpretation and what is canon is up to the individual, I don't care because surely I can never be wrong and everyone whom says otherwise is a bad person and deserves a horrific death by kittens ''....... Get over yourself. This thread is about TWGs interpretation. If you don't like it, would it really kill you to ignore it and move on?


What i'm saying is irrelvant, facts matters, opinions don't.

 

Present your facts then. And if you bring up something that TWG has already answered then for the love of god.... Just get OUT of here. People keep bringing up arguements that is answered in the OP. I would not be surprised one bit if you have not even read the OP.

  Just because something comes out of your mouth ( fingers ) doesn't make it a fact. I don't claim anything to be fact because there is none atm. And it has already been stated here on the forums and said at panels that what occured in the ending is up to the individuals interpretation. Are you really that baffled by your own horrific interpretation that you can in no way allow anyone else to have their own? 

You're free to believe to IT or DT, as the narrative doesn't interfere with them, I am however trying to concivce you lot that elements as present in the ending can be identified as bad writing.


Even if they come out and say '' lolz it was bad writing ''. Why the heck would it matter to you or anyone for that matter? TWG managed to '' fix '' it if that's the case.They've already said that the individuals interpretation is canon so ....... Is it really such a bad thing to you that someone took '' bad writing '' and made it into something fantastic? 

Modifié par megamacka, 30 septembre 2012 - 06:14 .


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Fixers0 wrote...
You're the troll here, as you've yet to add substational comments.


Take a look above.  I've added suggestions and ideas to the actual subject of this topic.  What have you done, apart from whine about "bad writing" and sneer at people?

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 30 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .


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megamacka wrote...

Present your facts then. And if you bring up something that TWG has already answered then for the love of god.... Just get OUT of here. People keep bringing up arguements that is answered in the OP. I would not be surprised one bit if you have not even read the OP.

  Just because something comes out of your mouth ( fingers ) doesn't make it a fact. I don't claim anything to be fact because there is none atm. And it has already been stated here on the forums and said at panels that what occured in the ending is up to the individuals interpretation. Are you really that baffled by your own horrific interpretation that you can in no way allow anyone else to have their own? 


Welcome to Fixers' quick analysis to discover signs of bad writing:

Subject: Anderons problamatic Location
Catagory: Contradiction/inconsistancy.

Observed Fact A: Anderson is nowhere to be seen at the Conduit acces in London
Observed Fact B: Anderson claims to have followed Shepard us second after s/he arrives on the citadel

Conclusion: Anderson is clearly not at the conduit base in London though the narrative does claim that he enters the conduit just after Shepard.

Result: contradiction within the narrative.

Modifié par Fixers0, 30 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .


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People doing all they can in order to ruin someones day...... Mind = blown.