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[CelestJP]

I've been thinking about this ever since I moved away from playing human noble if i recruit Loghain and have him sacrifice him self I have no need to do the dark ritual in which case her child does not exist .... its kinda like having my cake and eating it too in the noble origin your kinda forced into the dark ritual regardless of gender well unless you want to sacrifice alistair i guess but who wants to that

which leads me to believe the whole child is largely irrelevent to the story it's just a plot device to get your self out of death as a noble origin

sorry if this has been brought up before it just occurred me while i was replaying Origin so i could have a Amell Female Mage for DA 2 import

[The Jackal]

CelestJP wrote...

I've been thinking about this ever since I moved away from playing human noble if i recruit Loghain and have him sacrifice him self I have no need to do the dark ritual in which case her child does not exist .... its kinda like having my cake and eating it too in the noble origin your kinda forced into the dark ritual regardless of gender well unless you want to sacrifice alistair i guess but who wants to that

which leads me to believe the whole child is largely irrelevent to the story it's just a plot device to get your self out of death as a noble origin

sorry if this has been brought up before it just occurred me while i was replaying Origin so i could have a Amell Female Mage for DA 2 import

LelianaWith her if you do not do her personal side quest. You never discover that woman from her past is out to kill her. If you choose not to do her mission then at the end of DA: Orgins, when they tell you what happens to everyone. They claim she just vainished.

That heavily hint's at she could been killed.

Yet she show's up in DA:2 at the very end. Also that Elf guy the assassion. I picked a pre selected history but if you kill him in Orgins. He showed up regardless on one of the missions.

Either way if you have the child or not. Morrgian does live on. They should expand her story line no matter if it's about the child or not. If it's not make it least convincing.

[Dintonta]

During the few first PT I did, I was actually thinking like you (My first PT was a DN and he was very shocked by the DR's idea).
But the more I replayed through DA:O, the more I was inclined to push Alistair through the DR just for the sake of it.
I've played mostly mages and I've seen their sympathy toward Morrigan grow up after each PT (I've never played her romance however, so I don't know if it could have toned down their friendship, if I did.)
My mages agreed with her when she said that to revive an Ancient God free from the Taint was a worthy goal in itself.
Besides I never felt very compelled to save Alistair or Loghain, excepted during my first PT, when my DN couldn't imagine another end but to sacrifice himself. (I mean, a sweet boy who can betray the wardens and the whole world facing a Blight if he is disallowed to take his bloody vengeance without delay, and a man who has proven himself to be a tyrant and a slaver... Why care for them at all?)

Now, will the OGB really count in next developments? Why wouldn't he? (At least as an alternative starting setting.)

[CelestJP]

well for me Alistair is the rightful king, Anora's legitimacy is very rocky even married to a male cousland sure unharden alistair may not be the best ruler but harden alistair does a great job though married to Female Cousland alistair seems to do a good job both unharden and harden Alistair is by Right of Sucession the True King and lets face it Anora may be good at governing but she's a politician as soon as the warden's become a inconvenience she'd stab you in the back

I personally can't do ultimate sacrifice I don't like losing and ultimate sacrifice is not victory it's a game over you lost and ultimately the arch demon won so that's a achievement that will be forever out of my reach

[andocrack]

I get the feeling that if it does get addressed, it'll be painted over and made into a single item regardless of what you did for the sake of ease - similar to the Rachni queen in Mass Effect. I did a playthrough of a human noble who romanced Morrigan and did the deed, then followed her through the eluvian. I also have a human mage who romanced Leliana and refused the ritual. I expect that if we do meet Morrigan again, in noble playthrough she'll have lost track of the child for some reason related to the plot, then in mage playthrough, she'll be facing the same plot item despite not having the child. Maybe the Old God comes through the child in PT1 and comes through in some other means in PT2?

Just my speculation though.

[CelestJP]

well someone suggested that she would just find another gray warden to do the deed but I don't see how seeing how I got the impression that the Arch Demon's soul would simply be destroyed without a suitable host and since a warden is not a suitable host and i sacrifice that traitor to the arch demon that soul would be gone forever if they recon that ...... that would just be bad writing on par with Chris ..... "green jesus" metzen

[Vox Draco]

Well...I think that the Morrigan-Child has a lot of significane and story-potential, so Bioware should really consider to make it just canon that the Dark Ritual happened. Might not make the Loghain/Alistair/Warden-sacrificers happy, but ... you can't have everything ambigous and left open anyway...

And for me the Dark Ritual always happened, at least in my "canon"-playthroughs...Loghain msut die after the Landsmeet, I will never recruit him, Alistair is my favorite male char, and for my main female Warden the future husband and king...so he cannot die, and surely none of my own Wardens will ever choose to sacrifice themselves if there is a way out...they are already forced to join the Gray Warden against their will, they won't die for this stupid band of coldblooded murderes ... I spit on your grave, Duncan...you never were a hero...

[Arthur Cousland]

The ritual isn't just for the human noble origin. All origins are affected the same way. If you don't want to do the ritual and keep both Alistair and the warden alive, then Loghain must be recruited and sacrificed. Alistair forgives the warden in the end.

My personal favorite outcome is hardened Alistair married to Anora, with the warden as Chancellor. Alistair+Anora prove to be an effective pair ruling Ferelden, and Eamon returns home to spend quality time with Connor, who thrives as a mage. The ritual was performed.

[CelestJP]

My game is I recruit Loghain sacrifice him to the Arch Demon Do not do the dark ritual I don't trust Morrigan or her mother date Liliana and ye none of my characters expect Noble Female have ever been straight harden and marry alistair to anora free the circle laugh as cullen goes nuts in the rumor epilogue play Solona Amell because i wanted to tie the story into DA 2 and since Hawke and Human mage are Cousins that made sense i learned shape shifting from Morrigan because while the base shape shaping are limited there is a Mod that lets you learn Shapes based on mobs you can kill so Ultimately i can pull a Flemeth and turn into a High Dragon heh

[AbsoluteApril]

Only did the DR in a few PTs, child does not exist in my cannon.

Although I would like to see it addressed in the PTs where it matters. I wonder if they will just have an 'alternate' way she got the child if the DR was not done? eh..

JasonRocker wrote...

Also that Elf guy the assassion. I picked a pre selected history but if you kill him in Orgins. He showed up regardless on one of the missions.

that's a bug from what I understand.

[Dave of Canada]

The child has pretty huge implications, however I wouldn't expect more than a side-quest or maybe an alteration to a primary quest when it shows up.

[Darth Death]

Let's hope not. I want to see my kid!

[The h0bb1t]

I want to see this have so much effect in DA3, if you choose to do it or not.