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[dreman9999]

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

*codex entries and overused Reapers Arrival's pic*

What I wanted to say is that if the Galaxy didn't reacted so stupidly after Sovereign' attack and instead of denying it ever happened, began to build warships en masse, using all their resources to achieve it, we could have had a chance against the Reapers. See what I mean ?

The whole problem is that we had some effective offensive upgrades (defensive too, see the Normandy in the suicide mission, but bizarrely they were ignored from the writers in ME3) against the Reapers but not enough warships. I assume that turning the galaxy's economy and industry into war-mode during the three last years would have been enough to take on the Reapers when they finally came. Even if at (very) high costs.

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

[o Ventus]

Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't think so. I believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin the beautiful ending concept.

Que?

I only saw a horrible mish-mash of ideas done better elsewhere that ended up as an abomination in ME3.

Then I'm afraid you didn't understand the ending's concept correctly yet. I can suggest you to read all endings support threads. They are quite interesting, and may help you

No. The endings are bad, both pre- and post-EC. 

And the Normandy crash scene is not taking place during a test launch.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
The science we have now don't and can't make the anti-matter in mass the way we need for this war. The older way would not make enough to even  be worth a proper source.

It took forever to refine Uranium and Plutonium in the 40's to. Given enough time, oh about, 160 years give or take, the production of antimatter would surely get much better and faster, especially since we would be able to use orbital facilities to do so.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't think so. I believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin the beautiful ending concept.

Que?

I only saw a horrible mish-mash of ideas done better elsewhere that ended up as an abomination in ME3.

Then I'm afraid you didn't understand the ending's concept correctly yet. I can suggest you to read all endings support threads. They are quite interesting, and may help you

No. The endings are bad, both pre- and post-EC. 

And the Normandy crash scene is not taking place during a test launch.

There isn't anything to understand.

They will always be bad. Even having to forumulate theories about what MAY have happened in such a large capacity tells you how badly Bioware messed up.

The original vanilla endings didn't even resemble a narrative type I've seen before.

It still isn't a test flight either.

[WestLakeDragon]

So I was just reading up on a few things and, as someone said earlier that Reapers are affected by radiation. Well, why not make microwave cannons? We already have the ability to fire microwaves, as evidenced by the US weapon, the 'Pain Ray'. Now that one doesn't fire radioactive waves, but, the fact that it uses microwaves means it could be.

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...
Then I'm afraid you didn't understand the ending's concept correctly yet. I can suggest you to read all endings support threads. They are quite interesting, and may help you

Uhm.. no, considering that the end involving the Cruicible drastically changes the "problem" of the franchise. We go from "Save the Galaxy from the Reapers" to "Save the Galaxy from a concept we didn't care about till right now" in the span of 10 minutes at the end of the franchise.

Synthesis - Absolutely stupid and nonsensical.
Control - Would be fine if given the choice to AGREE with TIM. However, we aren't, and thus this choice is invalidated.
Destroy - Closest the three get to the "What we were aiming for from day 1." Broken because it also tries to fix the new problem brought by the Catalyst and thus is stupid.
Refuse - Most fitting with the themes of ME since ME1. However, broken because it only delays the use of the Cruicible and is not an actual ending because there's no possibility of winning here.

I get the concept. It's stupid being shoe-horned into ME like it was.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The science we have now don't and can't make the anti-matter in mass the way we need for this war. The older way would not make enough to even  be worth a proper source.

It took forever to refine Uranium and Plutonium in the 40's to. Given enough time, oh about, 160 years give or take, the production of antimatter would surely get much better and faster, especially since we would be able to use orbital facilities to do so.

Why would they refine the old way of making anti-matter if if there was a faster cheaper  way to get anti-matter with enzo on had? Did we refine the tech of steam engines while combustion engines exsist and are cheaper and more effective?

[v TricKy v]

Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't think so. I believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin the beautiful ending concept.

Que?

I only saw a horrible mish-mash of ideas done better elsewhere that ended up as an abomination in ME3.

Then I'm afraid you didn't understand the ending's concept correctly yet. I can suggest you to read all endings support threads. They are quite interesting, and may help you

Ah I see. The majority of ME fans need to read a thread to "understand" the ending of the trilogy they played for years. Sorry that we all are not as enlightened as you are

[Ticonderoga117]

WestLakeDragon wrote...

So I was just reading up on a few things and, as someone said earlier that Reapers are affected by radiation. Well, why not make microwave cannons? We already have the ability to fire microwaves, as evidenced by the US weapon, the 'Pain Ray'. Now that one doesn't fire radioactive waves, but, the fact that it uses microwaves means it could be.

Shhh! We must only work on the Crucible and nothing else! Why? Because common f***ing sense is outlawed by BioWare and pro-enders.

[Seival]

o Ventus wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
I don't think so. I believe that any type of conventional victory can only ruin the beautiful ending concept.

Que?

I only saw a horrible mish-mash of ideas done better elsewhere that ended up as an abomination in ME3.

Then I'm afraid you didn't understand the ending's concept correctly yet. I can suggest you to read all endings support threads. They are quite interesting, and may help you

No. The endings are bad, both pre- and post-EC. 

And the Normandy crash scene is not taking place during a test launch.

I find BioWare's explanation of Normandy Crash Scene much better then my old theory about test-flights. Mass Relays were not destroyed forever, as I expected. And I'm happy

Well, and I'm happy that for me





Wish the same feeling for you

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Seival wrote...
Then I'm afraid you didn't understand the ending's concept correctly yet. I can suggest you to read all endings support threads. They are quite interesting, and may help you

Uhm.. no, considering that the end involving the Cruicible drastically changes the "problem" of the franchise. We go from "Save the Galaxy from the Reapers" to "Save the Galaxy from a concept we didn't care about till right now" in the span of 10 minutes at the end of the franchise.

Synthesis - Absolutely stupid and nonsensical.
Control - Would be fine if given the choice to AGREE with TIM. However, we aren't, and thus this choice is invalidated.
Destroy - Closest the three get to the "What we were aiming for from day 1." Broken because it also tries to fix the new problem brought by the Catalyst and thus is stupid.
Refuse - Most fitting with the themes of ME since ME1. However, broken because it only delays the use of the Cruicible and is not an actual ending because there's no possibility of winning here.

I get the concept. It's stupid being shoe-horned into ME like it was.

Then you don't get it.


Control=rewriting the reapers.
Destroy= physical stopping the reaper/ turning them off.
synthesis=upgrading the reaper to let them do what they areprogramed to do in a better way.

[Uncle Jo]

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:11 .

[v TricKy v]

WestLakeDragon wrote...

So I was just reading up on a few things and, as someone said earlier that Reapers are affected by radiation. Well, why not make microwave cannons? We already have the ability to fire microwaves, as evidenced by the US weapon, the 'Pain Ray'. Now that one doesn't fire radioactive waves, but, the fact that it uses microwaves means it could be.

For the same reason no one had the idea to work on Laser technology and refine it.
"hey we are using mass accelerators but the get countered by kinetic barriers. How do we bypass this problem?"
"Simple. We build bigger mass accelerators!"

[Uncle Jo]

Seival wrote...

I find BioWare's explanation of Normandy Crash Scene much better then my old theory about test-flights. Mass Relays were not destroyed forever, as I expected. And I'm happy

Well, and I'm happy that for me

*snip*

Wish the same feeling for you

You asked for it.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:17 .

[Haargel]

Well, just design a weapon that shoots Tresher Maws. Problem solved.

How original !

[dreman9999]

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.
Add, if you played ME3, Social issues are made evident form the start.  Did the krogan ujst worked the the turians on there own? Did the quarian just simply made peice with the the geth so they can stop the reapers as one?
No, you had to be the middle man to help with that. Plus, there is a wid spread distrust of AI's in the me universe.

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:24 .

[F4H bandicoot]

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.

It has an IFF, it wouldn't have a Reaper core, that'd erquire removing one from a Reaper and transplanting it in.

[incinerator950]

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.

The Tantalus Mark Two Drive Core is not a Reaper Core.  The only Reaper components aboard the Normandy are the IFF (now) and the Reaper Black Box that was included in EDI's construction after her remains were recovered from Luna.

Modifié par incinerator950, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:32 .

[dreman9999]

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.

The Tantalus Mark Two Drive Core is not a Reaper Core.  The only Reaper components aboard the Reaper are the IFF (now) and the Reaper Black Box that was included in EDI's construction after her remains were recovered from Luna.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.

The Tantalus Mark Two Drive Core is not a Reaper Core.  The only Reaper components aboard the Reaper are the IFF (now) and the Reaper Black Box that was included in EDI's construction after her remains were recovered from Luna.

EDI. EDI is made of salvaged reaper tech. A reaper core would be something like the human proto-reaper.

[dreman9999]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.

It has an IFF, it wouldn't have a Reaper core, that'd erquire removing one from a Reaper and transplanting it in.

[incinerator950]

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The thanix weapon the normandyhave works in close range  like the othe thanix weapons. The normandy also, has a reaper core that powers it and an advance AI to protect itand plan for counter attacks. Dredghouts and carrier are too slow for EDI to be properly used. And they still have to get close to used the thanix cannons to be fully effective. Even if we turn the galexy into a more machine. 3 year to equal the reapers. Social issues allown would hold us back being that to be effective ageist the reaper we need to trust AI's.

Wat? Since when does the Normandy have a reaper core?

Social issues, when the galaxy is about to be destroyed? Are you serious? What do have AI's to do with this?

You know what? I agree to disagree.  Let's break it here.

Since ME2. Talk to edi after she is unshakled. She will tell you this.

The Tantalus Mark Two Drive Core is not a Reaper Core.  The only Reaper components aboard the Normandy are the IFF (now) and the Reaper Black Box that was included in EDI's construction after her remains were recovered from Luna.

Dreman, you're durping hard.  That specifically states what I just said.

Modifié par incinerator950, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
Then you don't get it.

Control=rewriting the reapers.
Destroy= physical stopping the reaper/ turning them off.
synthesis=upgrading the reaper to let them do what they areprogramed to do in a better way.

You don't say?! {/sarcasm]

Though that's not what Synthesis means, at all.
It somehow balances the differences between synthetics and organics so they will never ever fight each other again. Ever.

[Seival]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Seival wrote...

I find BioWare's explanation of Normandy Crash Scene much better then my old theory about test-flights. Mass Relays were not destroyed forever, as I expected. And I'm happy

Well, and I'm happy that for me

*snip*
Wish the same feeling for you

You asked for it.

*snip*

That support thread was good, but faced a lot of misunderstanding, just like the original Normandy Crash Scene.

Anyway, the scene was not removed, Mass Relays were not destroyed forever, and I did right thing creating that thread. It was really hard to oppose so many confused players almost alone, but I did it. And I want to say thanks to the ones, who created really constructive replies in that thread. They did good job.

...Well, and I wish all confused people here to understand and accept the endings as they are. You will be quite happy after that, believe me

[Ticonderoga117]

Whoops, wrong button.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:36 .