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[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Reapers don't have the advantage of numbers...

Yes, they do.

Kay, thats a couple thousand(of thats what i feel this shows), not a million billion, not even a hundred thousand. Someone counted those, there are meant to be around 140 Reapers shown. Not impressed. Especially by the numbers. The reapers would need a minimum of 200,000 to actually outnumber the galaxy. that would imply that Harbinger is around 10billion years old.

First - that's a shot of part of the Reaper fleet.  We don't know anything about its makeup, or what percentage of the fleet it represents.  There's no scale there - we don't know if any of those streaks or images are even Sovereign-class ships.  All it does is place a lower bound on the Reaper fleet size.  Lower, not upper.  And it's just an art image.

Second - are you really just counting the number of armed spacefaring platforms and saying, "all equal"?  I can't even begin to imagine what kind of logic you're using for that.  An oculus <> a Sovereign class ship.  A quarian civilian vessel <> a Turian dreadnaught.  You can't even average them (and how woud you?)

Third, no one knows how many of each class ship anyone has, from either side, other than a count of dreadnoughts.  We just don't. Anything else is a number that someone has pulled out of thin air, or by making bogus comparisons to 21st C data, which has no relevence.  Even in the last 150 years, the number of capital ships vs smaller ships has varied dramatically from decade to decade.  Going back much farther than that, the comparison vanishes, because there's no such thing as a ship class - and why are we comparing water-based naval vessals with spaceships, anyway?  The only thing we could do, if someone cared, would be to count the number of dots in the shot of the galactic fleet as it appeared over Earth, and use that minus 127 as the minimum number of cruisers, frigates and fighters.  Completely unhelpful.

I don't regard destroyers as a credible threat, so to me they're all dreaddies. Even if they have ten times that number, if its 140 of 295, its still vastly underwhelming. oculi are junk, i regard those even less of a threat.

I'm counting any ship. The Quarian flotilla on its own is 50k ships. The Geth probably have a similar number, being able to match them and all. Considering the Quarians arm the entire fleet, including the civilian ships, yes i count those.

Well we know dreadnough numbers, approximately, the geth and quarians boost the number considerably.
I'm making no comparisons to current military numbers. The numbers i get from are in the game. Some things have to be implied when you get things like "Cruiser-weight starships are the standard combat unit encountered away from large naval bases, the "poor bloody infantry" of most fleets" This basically means that these would be the most common, but dreadnoughts are so rare they're actually numbered.
Comparing numbers in cutscenes is a bad idea, i mean it makes it seem like theres only a few dozen reapers around earth when its meant to be the bulk of the fleet. Plus theres the whole half of your space assets never showing up. Its why i find that scene cool but totally lacking. The galactic fleet as it ftls in is much more than 127 though.

Destoryes are a threat and oculus can dive into our ships and blow them up from the inside out. They are not junk.
The geth have a limit to how much they can make, the reaper don't vis ahusk forces.
The quarian ship mostly havedated ships and lack defencive power.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

[BerzerkGene]

dreman9999 wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

Work for free, automitize your production facilities. Get the geth to run the entire infastructure of your war.
Its not as impossible as you people seem to think. You cannot eat money, you cannot shoot money. People in ME3 are specifically stated to do things for free because of the whole extinction thing. Example-Smuggler in purgatory.

Now you missing the part about the reaper destroying resources and factory faciloties.

Theres a lot of space in the galaxy, the Reapers can't patrol it all, all the time. Hide some facilities underground. Have the geth hide some out in the middle of nowhere, like they did with their space station.

1. You have to build the facitlies first.
2.you have to get thepeople their.
3.You have to make sure the reapers can track you.
4. You have to get the resources to those facilities.
5.You have to feed the people orking there.
6. You need time to make the facilites.

1:They're built, the geth have them, the quarians have them, the alliance, turians salarians have them, just move them.
2: Elcor transports, or just have the geth do it by themselves.
3: High radiation areas as used by Cerberus(Cronos station, etc)
4: Asteroid fields in the aforementioned radiation.
5: Then stich with the geth or use quarian live ships to make lots of different foods.
6: See point 1. But, ignoring point 1, use what resources were deployed to the crucible. There would be more than enough there.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

"The Normandy SR-2 is capable of being upgraded with a pair of Thanix Cannons" As i understand the technology the ammo, such as it is is suspended in an EM field until its fired from the barrel. Splitting this would be folly at best. How would you manage to split it without it blowing a hole in your ship?
The Reaper guns are more advanced than the thanix, which is a scaled down version of their gun. The Normandy's one obvious doesn't have the firepower. The normandy is a fraction of the size of a dreadnought. A Thanix would replace the spine mounted mass driver dreadnoughts use as their main gun. That gun is about 1km long. If a scaled down version a fraction the size of the original has on average 1/16 the firepower, something 16 times bigger would do it. Granted the Normandy isn't THAT small, so a dreadnough sized one would probablt be ten times the size. That would mean 2 shots would kill a reaper.

The thanix isn't hull mounted, the Normandy one is intergrated into the Normandy. It has to deploy, its not strapped to the outside.
Why not make a thousand frigates with thanix? Considering their 'supposed' widespread use by the alliance, turians and quarians as main weapons, i don't see it being that ridiculous.

The thanix cannons have  to be close  to be effective...http://masseffect.wi...er_Capabilities 

Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass

Thats whats written, but the Normandy's thanix almost had the range of the collector cruiser, which is still reaper tech.
If i saw a thanix being used, and only from close range, i might agree. The Reapers being so large would make the need for careful aim not as necessary, especially with their penchant to just sit and tank hits.
The problem is you never see the tahnix, the most power weapons the galxy has avaliable, being used. In the sword fleet scene, you see an alliance cruiser take off a reaper leg with its mass accelerator. Here, a thanix would have been devestating, since the barrier was already down. You never see them used. At all, unless you count the 3 unnecessary shots by the normandy against some oculi.

The normandy is a completely different ship from the reast of the allied forces. Do not look at the normady and the thing it does as the standard of the rest of the allied fleets.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...
Worst case? The Earth is 4.6 billion years old. So that's the bare minimum of when the Reapers "could" have started the cycle. 

Assuming one Soverign per cycle? 96,000 Soverigns.

Assuming 3 Destroyers per cycle? 276,000 Destroyers.

That's about where I'd put "worst" case at.

Which, by the way, is not something I'm suggesting they have - if anything, I'd assume their numbers are somewhere in the middle of the two, but I always try to use "best" case in order to argue, simply because "best" case is still INCREDIBLY FREAKING BAD to try and overcome.

Why does Earth's age come into it? And how is assuming a constant Reaper reproduction number without accounting for casualties the "best case" scenario? If the Reapers thought that way, their odds would be much worse than they currently think. If there are atleast 20,000; then where are they all? The majority of their forces are in Sol, and there aren't even 100 in the space battle near the end of the game. And don't tell me the rest of them are busy harvesting on Earth because that is ridiculous. The most we've ever seen were 295.

Because that's a baseline for how old the galaxy is? Really, not you're just being purposfuly obtuse.

As for your "where are they all" question, do you really think that they're going to animate 20k+ Reapers? Really? Come on. At least TRY to be fair.

Oh, if you only realized...

You know, it would've been a lot easier to just tell us how many Reapers there are. We still have no idea how many Reapers there are.

[incinerator950]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

[BerzerkGene]

incinerator950 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

There's a report by a financial company/institution at the Spectre Terminal.  The Council races can only sustain a war up to a single year before the economy collapses. 

Yeah, take that into account fellas. 

Total war effort.
Screw the Economy.

You can't run a war without an economy. 

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

Work for free, automitize your production facilities. Get the geth to run the entire infastructure of your war.
Its not as impossible as you people seem to think. You cannot eat money, you cannot shoot money. People in ME3 are specifically stated to do things for free because of the whole extinction thing. Example-Smuggler in purgatory.

Now you missing the part about the reaper destroying resources and factory faciloties.

Theres a lot of space in the galaxy, the Reapers can't patrol it all, all the time. Hide some facilities underground. Have the geth hide some out in the middle of nowhere, like they did with their space station.

1. You have to build the facitlies first.
2.you have to get thepeople their.
3.You have to make sure the reapers can track you.
4. You have to get the resources to those facilities.
5.You have to feed the people orking there.
6. You need time to make the facilites.

1:They're built, the geth have them, the quarians have them, the alliance, turians salarians have them, just move them.
2: Elcor transports, or just have the geth do it by themselves.
3: High radiation areas as used by Cerberus(Cronos station, etc)
4: Asteroid fields in the aforementioned radiation.
5: Then stich with the geth or use quarian live ships to make lots of different foods.
6: See point 1. But, ignoring point 1, use what resources were deployed to the crucible. There would be more than enough there.

1. The geth have them on rennoch and the reaper can just focus on rennoch to counter this.
2......You have no idea what you taking about. You don't even know the condition the elcor did to prepare for that. The geth on the other hand can be countered by focusing on rennoch.
4.Reaper scouts.
5.The reaper could just bomb rennoch to hech and back.
6.See my point 1.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

There's a report by a financial company/institution at the Spectre Terminal.  The Council races can only sustain a war up to a single year before the economy collapses. 

Yeah, take that into account fellas. 

Total war effort.
Screw the Economy.

You can't run a war without an economy. 

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

The geth don't eat, sleep or rest.  That make what they can do far more flexible then what we can.

[Conniving_Eagle]

What did Rear Admiral Mikhailovich say? The money used for the SR1's drive core could have been used to produce the cores of 12,000 fighters. Shame...

[krasnoarmeets]

dreman9999 wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

Work for free, automitize your production facilities. Get the geth to run the entire infastructure of your war.
Its not as impossible as you people seem to think. You cannot eat money, you cannot shoot money. People in ME3 are specifically stated to do things for free because of the whole extinction thing. Example-Smuggler in purgatory.

Now you missing the part about the reaper destroying resources and factory faciloties.

The Russians during WWII shifted their entire production facilities to beyond the Urals where the Germans couldn't get at them. They moved all the equipment they could very quickly. All they would have to do is move the facilities somewhere else such as into a heavily defended and well-controlled system or preferably to a secret location. Given the fact that Alliance forces etc were able to build the Crucible in secret it is feasible. Geth controlled space on the far rim / behind the Perseus veil might not be a bad place to start. I find your defeatist attitude quite disappointing.

The fact that you comparing a ground war to a space war puts a flaw to your point. It's not easy moving things or people  from planet to planet

That's where you are just plain wrong. It doesn't create a flaw at all. In fact it makes it easier to set it up as there's a lot more places to hide the facilities and there are plenty of freighters available for the job. The same effort was put in for building the Crucible. What makes it so different? Nothing. You're moving manufacturing equipment, possibly adapting existing structures/creating makeshift ones, moving people and resources in exaclty the same way as you have to for the Crucible. So what's the big frickin' difference? There is none! The Geth could help as they are outstandingly adaptive and you don't have to feed them. You're being extremely narrow minded. It's just as well you weren't in charge of the Soviet war effort as history would have turned out very differently with someone as negative as you in charge... saying it's not the same is not an argument. It is easy moving things from planet to planet in the Mass Effect universe. There's a war asset which is a bunch of freighters from the Terminus systems that you could use for exactly this purpose. How do you think they would have built the Crucible?!

[dreman9999]

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Ok then....then we need more time to make weapon...Time we don't have.

[iamweaver]

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

[NS Wizdum]

dreman9999 wrote...

The crucible is just one project in space. It's less complex to process and make. Making a facility or facilities to make weapon is much more complex.

You're really going to try to argue that building the Crucible was easier than building a shipyard or weapons factory? It took the combined resources of every race in the galaxy to build the thing. Its theorized that it was created by the Reapers as a resource-sink, so that we wont have the resources needed to build useful weapons.

[AlanC9]

iamweaver wrote...
Third, no one knows how many of each class ship anyone has, from either side, other than a count of dreadnoughts.  We just don't. Anything else is a number that someone has pulled out of thin air, or by making bogus comparisons to 21st C data, which has no relevence.  Even in the last 150 years, the number of capital ships vs smaller ships has varied dramatically from decade to decade.  Going back much farther than that, the comparison vanishes, because there's no such thing as a ship class - and why are we comparing water-based naval vessals with spaceships, anyway?

I believe that the ship-of-the-line/ frigate distinction goes back a bit further than 150 years. Other than that, well said.

However, note that it's highly improbable that the number of cruisers and smaller ships relative to the number of dreadnoughts is high enough to make the number of dreadnoughts irrelevant. The Treaty of Farixen wouldn't be meaningful if everyone just built tons of cruisers to evade the cap. It's not inconceivable -- the Washington Naval Treaty didn't have a cap on total cruiser tonnage either -- but that situation isn't stable.

[NS Wizdum]

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

[Ledgend1221]

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Because the Geth are smart.

[incinerator950]

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

There's a report by a financial company/institution at the Spectre Terminal.  The Council races can only sustain a war up to a single year before the economy collapses. 

Yeah, take that into account fellas. 

Total war effort.
Screw the Economy.

You can't run a war without an economy. 

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

The geth don't eat, sleep or rest.  That make what they can do far more flexible then what we can.

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

Please stop assuming everyone is 100% on board with you.  It took half the game to even convince the rest of the Council to help you, and its unlikely the Combined Turian and Alliance Fleet is going to be able to push the Reapers off Palaven and hold them without staggering casualties. 

[dreman9999]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

krasnoarmeets wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

Work for free, automitize your production facilities. Get the geth to run the entire infastructure of your war.
Its not as impossible as you people seem to think. You cannot eat money, you cannot shoot money. People in ME3 are specifically stated to do things for free because of the whole extinction thing. Example-Smuggler in purgatory.

Now you missing the part about the reaper destroying resources and factory faciloties.

The Russians during WWII shifted their entire production facilities to beyond the Urals where the Germans couldn't get at them. They moved all the equipment they could very quickly. All they would have to do is move the facilities somewhere else such as into a heavily defended and well-controlled system or preferably to a secret location. Given the fact that Alliance forces etc were able to build the Crucible in secret it is feasible. Geth controlled space on the far rim / behind the Perseus veil might not be a bad place to start. I find your defeatist attitude quite disappointing.

The fact that you comparing a ground war to a space war puts a flaw to your point. It's not easy moving things or people  from planet to planet

That's where you are just plain wrong. It doesn't create a flaw at all. In fact it makes it easier to set it up as there's a lot more places to hide the facilities and there are plenty of freighters available for the job. The same effort was put in for building the Crucible. What makes it so different? Nothing. You're moving manufacturing equipment, possibly adapting existing structures/creating makeshift ones, moving people and resources in exaclty the same way as you have to for the Crucible. So what's the big frickin' difference? There is none! The Geth could help as they are outstandingly adaptive and you don't have to feed them. You're being extremely narrow minded. It's just as well you weren't in charge of the Soviet war effort as history would have turned out very differently with someone as negative as you in charge... saying it's not the same is not an argument. It is easy moving things from planet to planet in the Mass Effect universe. There's a war asset which is a bunch of freighters from the Terminus systems that you could use for exactly this purpose. How do you think they would have built the Crucible?!

No it does not. the only way out of a system is viamass relay. the reaper just have to watch that. Added, reapers can track organics, the more orgainic together the easier it is for them to trake them. It not easy to get people out a reaper controled system. With no reaper controled systems, it more of a case of how long the allied forces holding it holds.

[dreman9999]

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Han Shot First wrote..

Armies and fleets can't be supported by an economic system based on primitive bartering. And they can't be fielded on charity.

Please explain how the civilizations of the galaxy could continue to wage an effective war against the Reapers after the total collapse of the galactic economy.

Just do their jobs without getting paid.
Wow that was hard to think of.<_<

Right. Will the engines run without fuel? Will spare parts magically appear on the ships? Can soldiers survive without food because they're really trying hard?

There's a report by a financial company/institution at the Spectre Terminal.  The Council races can only sustain a war up to a single year before the economy collapses. 

Yeah, take that into account fellas. 

Total war effort.
Screw the Economy.

You can't run a war without an economy. 

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

The geth don't eat, sleep or rest.  That make what they can do far more flexible then what we can.

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

Please stop assuming everyone is 100% on board with you.  It took half the game to even convince the rest of the Council to help you, and its unlikely the Combined Turian and Alliance Fleet is going to be able to push the Reapers off Palaven and hold them without staggering casualties. 

I'm the one supporting you. I'm say the geth are different and don't need an economy to support their war.

[Skirata129]

incinerator950 wrote...

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

I'm imagining a stock broker checking his portfolio as husks drag him onto a processor Reaper and sobbing that his microsoft stock is down by 20 points.

[BerzerkGene]

dreman9999 wrote...

Oculi can dive into our ships and blow them up from the inside out. They are not weak.

This is done exactly once, the oculi in ME3 are being used as support. If they could do that all the time, they would. The Normandy one is a bit of a special case, and yet it can be taken down with a pistol. A pistol is no where near the strength of a fighters guns.
You also forget how many joker just shoots down., which is about a half dozen, with no real effort.

dreman9999 wrote...

]The normandy is a completely
different ship from the reast of the allied forces. Do not look at the
normady and the thing it does as the standard of the rest of the allied
fleets.

Fair, but the codex says of the Thanix's widespread use in the Alliance and turian fleets. Then theres this: "The civilian liveships, enormous floating gardens that produce food for the quarians, have also been fitted with massive Thanix cannons to provide heavy firepower."
And: "The volus have only produced one dreadnought, the Kwunu, named after the
diplomat who negotiated their client-race status with the turians. The
Kwunu is the only volus ship of its class, but it is remarkably
well-armed. Its broadside cannons and main gun are all Thanix
Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapons. A turian general touring the Kwunu after
its maiden system-voyage enthusiastically declared that the ship could
"char a planet three times over."
Then: "After Commander Shepard's interview with Diana Allers assuring her viewers that the geth can be trusted, Alliance officials grudgingly sent over Thanix cannons for the geth fleet."
Now i always take that option because giving the machines bigger guns seems better than making their ground forces a bit tougher.
But i think you get my point. Thanix's aren't rare, they're common. Well, except with the asari, the salarians probably have them though. The elcor and batarians obviously don't.

[AlanC9]

dreman9999 wrote...
]No it does not. the only way out of a system is viamass relay.

Well, you can leave via standard FTL.

[incinerator950]

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Ok then....then we need more time to make weapon...Time we don't have.

No, we need better weapons to make.  Not a Radditz menu sized Reaper Thermal-Rail Cannon that is outranged by the Reapers, and outpowered.  The NormandyvsCollector Cruiser isn't viable, because shooting a near-stationary target at long ranges isn't exactly a problem when you have plot armor, and a ship whose Hull was breached by a handful of Gardian lasers. 

Collector Particle Research and an improvement to Anti-Matter weaponry and Warp-Explosives would be a tremendous help, but they were lost to plot writing.  You are not going to pull a Conventional victory from this plot people.  A rewrite of All three MEs is required, and that's sketchy at best. 

[dreman9999]

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

There is always going to be an economy. What changes is what is valued. Credit would be gone, but food, favors, and weapons would be the new currency.