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[incinerator950]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]No it does not. the only way out of a system is viamass relay.

Well, you can leave via standard FTL.

Yes, and that is something the Reapers outclass us in.

[dreman9999]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]No it does not. the only way out of a system is viamass relay.

Well, you can leave via standard FTL.

And that take time AND FUEL TO DO. flt always have a risk.

[dreman9999]

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Ok then....then we need more time to make weapon...Time we don't have.

No, we need better weapons to make.  Not a Radditz menu sized Reaper Thermal-Rail Cannon that is outranged by the Reapers, and outpowered.  The NormandyvsCollector Cruiser isn't viable, because shooting a near-stationary target at long ranges isn't exactly a problem when you have plot armor, and a ship whose Hull was breached by a handful of Gardian lasers. 

Collector Particle Research and an improvement to Anti-Matter weaponry and Warp-Explosives would be a tremendous help, but they were lost to plot writing.  You are not going to pull a Conventional victory from this plot people.  A rewrite of All three MEs is required, and that's sketchy at best. 

That is still my point.

[NS Wizdum]

dreman9999 wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

There is always going to be an economy. What changes is what is valued. Credit would be gone, but food, favors, and weapons would be the new currency.

Of course there will be trade, but what we are saying is that people wont sit around watching the Reapers destroy everything, just because they havn't been offered enough incentive to fight. The incentive is survival, not money.

[iamweaver]

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

Anytime there are things that require resources, time and effort, an economy exists.  This is what an economy *is*.  And in case you haven't figured out - that's always.

[incinerator950]

NS Wizdum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

There is always going to be an economy. What changes is what is valued. Credit would be gone, but food, favors, and weapons would be the new currency.

Of course there will be trade, but what we are saying is that people wont sit around watching the Reapers destroy everything, just because they havn't been offered enough incentive to fight. The incentive is survival, not money.

Yes, and the incentive to help you fight is money, and a good plan.  One you don't have, and the other you're guaranteed to be lacking at the end of a year.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Oculi can dive into our ships and blow them up from the inside out. They are not weak.

This is done exactly once, the oculi in ME3 are being used as support. If they could do that all the time, they would. The Normandy one is a bit of a special case, and yet it can be taken down with a pistol. A pistol is no where near the strength of a fighters guns.
You also forget how many joker just shoots down., which is about a half dozen, with no real effort.

dreman9999 wrote...

]The normandy is a completely
different ship from the reast of the allied forces. Do not look at the
normady and the thing it does as the standard of the rest of the allied
fleets.

Fair, but the codex says of the Thanix's widespread use in the Alliance and turian fleets. Then theres this: "The civilian liveships, enormous floating gardens that produce food for the quarians, have also been fitted with massive Thanix cannons to provide heavy firepower."
And: "The volus have only produced one dreadnought, the Kwunu, named after the
diplomat who negotiated their client-race status with the turians. The
Kwunu is the only volus ship of its class, but it is remarkably
well-armed. Its broadside cannons and main gun are all Thanix
Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapons. A turian general touring the Kwunu after
its maiden system-voyage enthusiastically declared that the ship could
"char a planet three times over."
Then: "After Commander Shepard's interview with Diana Allers assuring her viewers that the geth can be trusted, Alliance officials grudgingly sent over Thanix cannons for the geth fleet."
Now i always take that option because giving the machines bigger guns seems better than making their ground forces a bit tougher.
But i think you get my point. Thanix's aren't rare, they're common. Well, except with the asari, the salarians probably have them though. The elcor and batarians obviously don't.

1. What is stopping the oculus form doing this? Even if it's show once, why is it that they can only do it once? What stopping them for doing this on less advance ships then the normady?it not that they arn't doing this, it's a case thatit's not shown.

2. Yes the thanix is wide spread. but none of the ship have the speed the normady has. the normady still has to getin close to use the cannon. Remeber, the normady was effected by the collector ships explotion. If ithe thanix was shot far away, the normady would not be affected.
It still need to used in close range.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[BerzerkGene]

incinerator950 wrote...

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

Please stop assuming everyone is 100% on board with you.  It took half the game to even convince the rest of the Council to help you, and its unlikely the Combined Turian and Alliance Fleet is going to be able to push the Reapers off Palaven and hold them without staggering casualties. 

Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

As for the Geth, they don't need to be paid, simply getting them on your side would boost efficency of...everything tenfold. Sharing and trading resources, like that little side mission Chakwas gives you, would be commonplace. A good example is that salarian and Generla oraka or whatever, the Salarian doesn't want to be paid, he wants stuff.

Now i don't know about you, but if my country, home, existence was threatened, i would not need to be paid to fight. If i couldn't fight for whatever reason, i'd grow the food to feed the people doing the fighting, just pitch in somehow. The game is about unity, half the game, sure, thats still not that long. In-game time i'm not sure, but i solved a 300 year war in under 2 hours.
Initially said breakdown would be catastrophic, but that wouldn't simply end the whole war, when the money runs out, thats it. At worst, you could 'owe' people, debtors and creditors and all that. If we can do that now, theres no reason it wouldn't be possible. That financial report isn't given to you near the end of the game, where you're actually fighting effectively, its near the beginning, where the council are being idiots.

[dreman9999]

NS Wizdum wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

There is always going to be an economy. What changes is what is valued. Credit would be gone, but food, favors, and weapons would be the new currency.

Of course there will be trade, but what we are saying is that people wont sit around watching the Reapers destroy everything, just because they havn't been offered enough incentive to fight. The incentive is survival, not money.

True, but they still need. They still need to get something to work. If it comes down to just food for services, thatis still an economy. That is included when we talk about an economy.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

Please stop assuming everyone is 100% on board with you.  It took half the game to even convince the rest of the Council to help you, and its unlikely the Combined Turian and Alliance Fleet is going to be able to push the Reapers off Palaven and hold them without staggering casualties. 

Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

As for the Geth, they don't need to be paid, simply getting them on your side would boost efficency of...everything tenfold. Sharing and trading resources, like that little side mission Chakwas gives you, would be commonplace. A good example is that salarian and Generla oraka or whatever, the Salarian doesn't want to be paid, he wants stuff.

Now i don't know about you, but if my country, home, existence was threatened, i would not need to be paid to fight. If i couldn't fight for whatever reason, i'd grow the food to feed the people doing the fighting, just pitch in somehow. The game is about unity, half the game, sure, thats still not that long. In-game time i'm not sure, but i solved a 300 year war in under 2 hours.
Initially said breakdown would be catastrophic, but that wouldn't simply end the whole war, when the money runs out, thats it. At worst, you could 'owe' people, debtors and creditors and all that. If we can do that now, theres no reason it wouldn't be possible. That financial report isn't given to you near the end of the game, where you're actually fighting effectively, its near the beginning, where the council are being idiots.

Your not understanding that econimy is not exclucive to just money.

[BerzerkGene]

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Ok then....then we need more time to make weapon...Time we don't have.

Yeah not really. It took 11 months to figure out the gun, make and test a working scaled copy. Once you have the design for something, you can program a computer to construct it, it would take days, perhaps, considering how widespread they're used, its a non-issue.

[iamweaver]

BerzerkGene wrote...

[<snip>
Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

This is not true.  The turians were fighting a losing battle to hold Palaven, at the end of ME3. 

The only spacefaring race whose planet wasn't under complete or partial Reaper control by the close of ME3 was Rannoch - that what was only because, until you freed them, it *was* under Reaper control.  Note that Tuchanks doesn't count, as the Krogan currently have no spacefaring technology.  No doubt it was one reason why the Reapers weren't bothering with it yet.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Ok then....then we need more time to make weapon...Time we don't have.

Yeah not really. It took 11 months to figure out the gun, make and test a working scaled copy. Once you have the design for something, you can program a computer to construct it, it would take days, perhaps, considering how widespread they're used, its a non-issue.

No.  your missing the trail and error part of the process. That takes time. They did not just copy and paste a design. Time is still an issue.

[Conniving_Eagle]

@BezerkGene
@dreman999

You two should get together for cofee sometime and have an intellectual discussion together because you have a lot in common.

[NS Wizdum]

iamweaver wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

Anytime there are things that require resources, time and effort, an economy exists.  This is what an economy *is*.  And in case you haven't figured out - that's always.

And those resources will be made availible without pay, because the alternative is death. In case you havn't figured out, this isn't a traditional war. Hackett isn't trying to barter ammo from Walmart.

[CINCTuchanka]

Then my Shepard saved his credits for nothing.

[BerzerkGene]

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

Please stop assuming everyone is 100% on board with you.  It took half the game to even convince the rest of the Council to help you, and its unlikely the Combined Turian and Alliance Fleet is going to be able to push the Reapers off Palaven and hold them without staggering casualties. 

Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

As for the Geth, they don't need to be paid, simply getting them on your side would boost efficency of...everything tenfold. Sharing and trading resources, like that little side mission Chakwas gives you, would be commonplace. A good example is that salarian and Generla oraka or whatever, the Salarian doesn't want to be paid, he wants stuff.

Now i don't know about you, but if my country, home, existence was threatened, i would not need to be paid to fight. If i couldn't fight for whatever reason, i'd grow the food to feed the people doing the fighting, just pitch in somehow. The game is about unity, half the game, sure, thats still not that long. In-game time i'm not sure, but i solved a 300 year war in under 2 hours.
Initially said breakdown would be catastrophic, but that wouldn't simply end the whole war, when the money runs out, thats it. At worst, you could 'owe' people, debtors and creditors and all that. If we can do that now, theres no reason it wouldn't be possible. That financial report isn't given to you near the end of the game, where you're actually fighting effectively, its near the beginning, where the council are being idiots.

Your not understanding that economy is not exclucive to just money.

The labor, capital and resources, the manufacturing, production, trade, distribution, and consumption of goods and services. Economy.
But money keeps our economy going. Take the situation in Die Hard 4, that would be reality if you crashed everything involving 'money'. Think if everyone did their job without requiring money. Hmm, actually thats communism i think...

[BerzerkGene]

CINCTuchanka wrote...

Then my Shepard saved his credits for nothing.

Pretty much dude, sorry.

But would you have rather been paid with credits or upgrades and weapons?

[dreman9999]

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

NS Wizdum wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

The Geth have no economy, they do fine.
Money means nothing. Its an idea. Paying someone to fight now is valid because money has a value. In a war where civilisation will be destroyed, money means less than nothing. Soldiers fight for free.

Please... look up material about economics to see what currency is and how it works.  You will learn a lot that will be useful to you in the future if you do.

How do you know the Geth have no economy?

Economy only matters if you have some safe place to spend the money. When we're talking about the destruction of the entire galaxy, economy goes out the fracking window. You do what you have to to survive.

Anytime there are things that require resources, time and effort, an economy exists.  This is what an economy *is*.  And in case you haven't figured out - that's always.

And those resources will be made availible without pay, because the alternative is death. In case you havn't figured out, this isn't a traditional war. Hackett isn't trying to barter ammo from Walmart.

Economy does not equal to maony.
Any form of trade is an economy.
The issues is not credits.
The issue is food, supplies, and basic needs.
It's getting that.
An economy is what is used to manage this.
Money is just an illusion. Need is what the problem is. If people make weapons but don't get basic need, the war falls appar. That is what an economy covers.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 août 2012 - 01:50 .

[BerzerkGene]

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

It took the Turians fourteen months to come up with the Thanix Cannon prototype.

Eleven.

Source, an we stll need time to make it.

Following the Battle of the Citadel,
human and turian volunteers conducted a massive three-month survey
effort to clear the station's orbit of debris. Secretly, the turian
Office of Technological Reconnaissance "volunteers" were technology
recovery specialists salvaging the main weapon of the geth flagship
Sovereign, and large amounts of its valuable element zero core.
Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a
directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an
electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy
that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired. The jet of
molten metal, accelerated to a fraction of the speed of light, destroys
targets by impact force and irresistible heat.
Only 11 months after the battle, the turians produced the Thanix,
their own miniaturized version of Sovereign's gun. The Thanix can fire
reliably every five seconds, rivaling a cruiser's firepower but
mountable on a fighter or frigate.

Ok then....then we need more time to make weapon...Time we don't have.

Yeah not really. It took 11 months to figure out the gun, make and test a working scaled copy. Once you have the design for something, you can program a computer to construct it, it would take days, perhaps, considering how widespread they're used, its a non-issue.

No.  your missing the trail and error part of the process. That takes time. They did not just copy and paste a design. Time is still an issue.

Yeah, 11 months and they did all that. They did their testing, they made the weapon. Simply copying that design they made, again, program a computer to construct it. Dreadnought sized ones would take much more time, being non-standard.

[BerzerkGene]

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

[<snip>
Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

This is not true.  The turians were fighting a losing battle to hold Palaven, at the end of ME3. 

The only spacefaring race whose planet wasn't under complete or partial Reaper control by the close of ME3 was Rannoch - that what was only because, until you freed them, it *was* under Reaper control.  Note that Tuchanks doesn't count, as the Krogan currently have no spacefaring technology.  No doubt it was one reason why the Reapers weren't bothering with it yet.

"The turian and krogan counterattack on Palaven combined deception, courage, and tenacity. First, the turians leaked a false battle plan that drew on the same tactics they used at beginning of the assault on Palaven. Then the dreadnought Indomitable faked a problem with its drive core, coming out of FTL near Palaven's moon, Menae. Three other dreadnoughts and their attendant fleets deployed to assist Indomitable, a tempting target that drew the Reaper capital ships away from Palaven. Turian troop transports then entered Palaven's atmosphere to release shuttles, gliders, and individual soldier capsules. The Reapers did not understand the seriousness of the threat at first--those that detected the landing crafts sent husks and Collector swarms to intercept them, but little more. This allowed krogan commandos to link up with Palaven's resistance and hand off their payloads--warp bombs and fission weapons. In simultaneous strikes across the globe, Reaper ships began to explode. Turian resistance members had managed to smuggle the bombs inside when the Reaper processing ships, troop transports, and even destroyers and capital ships had opened their structures to indoctrinated turian leaders. Large swaths of territory fell back into turian and krogan control. News of the victory gave a much-needed boost to the morale of the turian resistance and the galactic public. But the action was not without sacrifice. Turian insurgents gave their lives to ensure the explosives detonated, and the processing centers they destroyed were full of civilians who died just as surely asif they had been harvested. Of the dead, General Minin Resvirix said, "Whatever they were in life, their deaths had no equal. They are worthy of joining the spirit of Palaven itself.""

Well the Elcor and volus too, but each race has hundreds of worlds. Theres no reason you couldn't expand your allies too. Get the bloody yahg on it. They're perfect for war.

Modifié par BerzerkGene, 01 août 2012 - 01:46 .

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

We are not the Geth.  You keep picking illogical examples that are barely related.  The Geth don't have a monetary system because of their Consensus.  The Council races have an economy, they're going to need it to stay running.  A complete economic breakdown for the Council races would be catastrophic.

Please stop assuming everyone is 100% on board with you.  It took half the game to even convince the rest of the Council to help you, and its unlikely the Combined Turian and Alliance Fleet is going to be able to push the Reapers off Palaven and hold them without staggering casualties. 

Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

As for the Geth, they don't need to be paid, simply getting them on your side would boost efficency of...everything tenfold. Sharing and trading resources, like that little side mission Chakwas gives you, would be commonplace. A good example is that salarian and Generla oraka or whatever, the Salarian doesn't want to be paid, he wants stuff.

Now i don't know about you, but if my country, home, existence was threatened, i would not need to be paid to fight. If i couldn't fight for whatever reason, i'd grow the food to feed the people doing the fighting, just pitch in somehow. The game is about unity, half the game, sure, thats still not that long. In-game time i'm not sure, but i solved a 300 year war in under 2 hours.
Initially said breakdown would be catastrophic, but that wouldn't simply end the whole war, when the money runs out, thats it. At worst, you could 'owe' people, debtors and creditors and all that. If we can do that now, theres no reason it wouldn't be possible. That financial report isn't given to you near the end of the game, where you're actually fighting effectively, its near the beginning, where the council are being idiots.

Your not understanding that economy is not exclucive to just money.

The labor, capital and resources, the manufacturing, production, trade, distribution, and consumption of goods and services. Economy.
But money keeps our economy going. Take the situation in Die Hard 4, that would be reality if you crashed everything involving 'money'. Think if everyone did their job without requiring money. Hmm, actually thats communism i think...

Money is just an illusion. The concept of an economy is based on need. Mony is just use to establise value. But anything can be used to do that. It up to the people in the economy to decide what is valued and by how much. An economy can accure with produce, favors, and thing we own. Money is not nessary for an economy.

[Father_Jerusalem]

BerzerkGene wrote...

I don't regard destroyers as a credible threat, so to me they're all dreaddies. Even if they have ten times that number, if its 140 of 295, its still vastly underwhelming. oculi are junk, i regard those even less of a threat.

I'm counting any ship. The Quarian flotilla on its own is 50k ships. The Geth probably have a similar number, being able to match them and all. Considering the Quarians arm the entire fleet, including the civilian ships, yes i count those.

Well we know dreadnough numbers, approximately, the geth and quarians boost the number considerably.
I'm making no comparisons to current military numbers. The numbers i get from are in the game. Some things have to be implied when you get things like "Cruiser-weight starships are the standard combat unit encountered away from large naval bases, the "poor bloody infantry" of most fleets" This basically means that these would be the most common, but dreadnoughts are so rare they're actually numbered.
Comparing numbers in cutscenes is a bad idea, i mean it makes it seem like theres only a few dozen reapers around earth when its meant to be the bulk of the fleet. Plus theres the whole half of your space assets never showing up. Its why i find that scene cool but totally lacking. The galactic fleet as it ftls in is much more than 127 though.

"I don't count Destroyers or Oculi as credible threats, but all 40k of those Quarian civillian ships ARE LIKE ****ING DEADNOUGHTS YEAH BABY THEY CAN WHUP ANYTHING'S ASS WOOO!"

Are you ****ing serious? You'll just discount a MASSIVE amount of the enemy's fleet and overcount a MASSIVE amount of your fleet?

Fine. Going by that logic, IF the Reapers had only one ship, and you had eleventy gajillion, then conventional victory is totes possible.

[dreman9999]

BerzerkGene wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

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Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

This is not true.  The turians were fighting a losing battle to hold Palaven, at the end of ME3. 

The only spacefaring race whose planet wasn't under complete or partial Reaper control by the close of ME3 was Rannoch - that what was only because, until you freed them, it *was* under Reaper control.  Note that Tuchanks doesn't count, as the Krogan currently have no spacefaring technology.  No doubt it was one reason why the Reapers weren't bothering with it yet.

"The turian and krogan counterattack on Palaven combined deception, courage, and tenacity. First, the turians leaked a false battle plan that drew on the same tactics they used at beginning of the assault on Palaven. Then the dreadnought Indomitable faked a problem with its drive core, coming out of FTL near Palaven's moon, Menae. Three other dreadnoughts and their attendant fleets deployed to assist Indomitable, a tempting target that drew the Reaper capital ships away from Palaven. Turian troop transports then entered Palaven's atmosphere to release shuttles, gliders, and individual soldier capsules. The Reapers did not understand the seriousness of the threat at first--those that detected the landing crafts sent husks and Collector swarms to intercept them, but little more. This allowed krogan commandos to link up with Palaven's resistance and hand off their payloads--warp bombs and fission weapons. In simultaneous strikes across the globe, Reaper ships began to explode. Turian resistance members had managed to smuggle the bombs inside when the Reaper processing ships, troop transports, and even destroyers and capital ships had opened their structures to indoctrinated turian leaders. Large swaths of territory fell back into turian and krogan control. News of the victory gave a much-needed boost to the morale of the turian resistance and the galactic public. But the action was not without sacrifice. Turian insurgents gave their lives to ensure the explosives detonated, and the processing centers they destroyed were full of civilians who died just as surely asif they had been harvested. Of the dead, General Minin Resvirix said, "Whatever they were in life, their deaths had no equal. They are worthy of joining the spirit of Palaven itself.""

Well the Elcor and volus too, but each race has hundreds of worlds. Theres no reason you couldn't expand your allies too. Get the bloody yahg on it. They're perfect for war.

You need to talk to a Garrus more...

Note; winning one battle does not mean winning the war.

[incinerator950]

BerzerkGene wrote...

Well for starters, the Turians did take back palaven, with the help of the krogan and some deceit.

Large swaths of territory fell back into turian and krogan
control. News of the victory gave a much-needed boost to the morale of
the turian resistance and the galactic public.
They didn't take back Palaven, they pushed the Reapers back enough to evacuate portions of the populace.  The Primarch and Garrus repeatedly told you during and at the end of the game the Krogan couldn't do more than slow the Reapers.  The Reaper Counterattacks where pulvarizing the Turian Fleet.  The Reapers still contested the ground of Palaven, and when the evacuations stopped, and the Turian fleet pulled out, they began their usual Steamrolling. 

As for the Geth, they don't need to be paid, simply getting them on your side would boost efficency of...everything tenfold. Sharing and trading resources, like that little side mission Chakwas gives you, would be commonplace. A good example is that salarian and Generla oraka or whatever, the Salarian doesn't want to be paid, he wants stuff.

That's not going to work for the entire Galactic Society.  A trade economy was set up to manage Resources, if your economy collapses you lose ownership and management of said resources, production, and the workforce will be more inclined to run away then stay with you.

Now i don't know about you, but if my country, home, existence was threatened, i would not need to be paid to fight. If i couldn't fight for whatever reason, i'd grow the food to feed the people doing the fighting, just pitch in somehow. The game is about unity, half the game, sure, thats still not that long. In-game time i'm not sure, but i solved a 300 year war in under 2 hours.

Congratulations, you are now one volunteer out of several Billion with large chances of wanting to flee, hide, or surrender.  The lack of a shortage of volunteers only appears when the **** has actually hit the fan.  You aren't going to be able to produce much of anything without having to physically get the resources yourself.  You will not be able to sustain a large force on donations unless you strip mine everything, or steal from your Colonies or allies.  Division brought by Economic Collapse will divide the Council Races, that's why its necisary.

You solved a three hundred year War by plot armor and poor plot progression, that is by not just achieving peace.  In a Conventional War, you may not have the time to visit the Quarians.  You may need to lead the Assaults, and anyone else in your stay won't probably convince the Quarians.  An allied Council Fleet to bring the Quarians back will bring nothing more than more casualties.  There's a reason why the writers for the Tuchanka Ark look down on the Rannoch ark.

Initially said breakdown would be catastrophic, but that wouldn't simply end the whole war, when the money runs out, thats it. At worst, you could 'owe' people, debtors and creditors and all that. If we can do that now, theres no reason it wouldn't be possible. That financial report isn't given to you near the end of the game, where you're actually fighting effectively, its near the beginning, where the council are being idiots.

You owe people now.  The financial report is given after the Cerberus Coup, at the halfway mark of the game.  It also goes into great detail about how they're already pooring large amounts of loans just to cover the Fleets, which is why the government will be bankrupt by the end of one year.