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[Ozida]

Blueprotoss wrote...
The minority hated the endings with or without the EC while you might get over your rage when you're willing to hear the facts.

I still didn't see a single number from you prooving this point. Only words, no nubmers. All your facts come down to "because Internet", and tat's not valid enough, you know.

[Fawx9]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...  

First of all Real ID is only 3 years old in terms of deployment. 

Yet it was imploymented in Wrath of the Lich King, which I'm not a WoW player and I know that.

Fawx9 wrote...

Secondly when the CEO makes this statement :

I'm going to take his word over your revisionist history and once again state that it was the fans that got it changed. 

 Activision doesn't speak for Blizzard while Vivendi would be a different story. 

Fawx9 wrote... 

PS That was 3 days after their intial posting concerning the idea, which caused the backlash.

I highly doubt that espcially when everyone gets meaningless nasty backlash even nice Nintendo.

Fawx9 wrote...  

TLDR: You're wrong, fan outcrys have and will continue to change things. Those on the internet are not always a negligible minority.

Yet opinion isn't fact and you clearly aren't interested in the facts.  "Fans" actually cause more problems then good while the real fans do help.

And as a former wow player and Blizzard fan I'm telling you that you are mistaken.

Just how old do you think SC2 and WoTLK are? The patch that Real ID went live on was 3.3.5  Which was released in Jjune 2010 just before SC2. The propsed changes, that caused the mess, were announced early July of that year. After an unbelievable amount of negative feedback Mike Morhaime(president and a co-founder of Blizzard, not Activision or Vivendi) issued the statement I posted above exactly 3 days later.

Next time before calling me a liar actually do some research yourself *cough*

[fr33stylez]

The Catalyst (King of the Reapers) gives you an ultimatum in the last 5 minutes of the game.

Why don't you feel victorious??

[ShepnTali]

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

[Blueprotoss]

Ozida wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
The minority hated the endings with or without the EC while you might get over your rage when you're willing to hear the facts.

I still didn't see a single number from you prooving this point. Only words, no nubmers. All your facts come down to "because Internet", and tat's not valid enough, you know.

Its not my fault that you don't want to read my posts or look at the evidence.

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

Actually Bioware did the EC and they did it out their own free will.

[ShepnTali]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

Actually Bioware did the EC and they did it out their own free will.

That's your reply? Ok. Kindergarten. But ok. Not surprised considering your comical extrapolations.

[Reorte]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

Actually Bioware did the EC and they did it out their own free will.

And why would they do that? At the end of the day they're a business. The only reason for doing the EC was because they thought that enough people were upset with the original endings that it would hit DLC sales (and possibly sales of other games) badly enoough for it to be an expense worth taking. Time will tell whether they were too prideful to change enough or not.

[Blueprotoss]

Fawx9 wrote...

And as a former wow player and Blizzard fan I'm telling you that you are mistaken. 

I couldcareless if you're in the wrong.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Just how old do you think SC2 and WoTLK are? The patch that Real ID went live on was 3.3.5  Which was released in Jjune 2010 just before SC2. The propsed changes, that caused the mess, were announced early July of that year. After an unbelievable amount of negative feedback Mike Morhaime(president and a co-founder of Blizzard, not Activision or Vivendi) issued the statement I posted above exactly 3 days later.

You don't have to be that old to play Starcratf since it was released in 1998 and WotLK was released in 2007.  I see my mistake on Mike Morhaime while I notice that its a PR move just like evrery company does.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Next time before calling me a liar actually do some research yourself *cough*

Yet SC2 is 3 years old and HoS was shown off before that annoucement, which that proves you to be in the wrong. 

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

Actually Bioware did the EC and they did it out their own free will.

That's your reply? Ok. Kindergarten. But ok. Not surprised considering your comical extrapolations.

Yet you're the one insulting people here.

[ShepnTali]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

Actually Bioware did the EC and they did it out their own free will.

That's your reply? Ok. Kindergarten. But ok. Not surprised considering your comical extrapolations.

Yet you're the one insulting people here.

If you don't have a serious reply, I understand.

[Blueprotoss]

Reorte wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I guess 'real fans' got everybody the EC. Really, the real fans card is a joke.

Actually Bioware did the EC and they did it out their own free will.

And why would they do that? At the end of the day they're a business. The only reason for doing the EC was because they thought that enough people were upset with the original endings that it would hit DLC sales (and possibly sales of other games) badly enoough for it to be an expense worth taking. Time will tell whether they were too prideful to change enough or not.

Its like asking why would Bethesda release DLC like Broterhood of Steel in Fallout 3 by giving the small angry mob a false victory while netting a larger fanbase and profit.  The EC was in production before ME3's launch which was implied by Bioware's quick reaction/developement and by Martin Sheen's last quote in the voice actor trailer for ME3.  

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...
 
If you don't have a serious reply, I understand.

Why are you talking then since you're only insulting people at this point.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 05:41 .

[Ozida]

to Blueprotoss...

By the fact that you are the only person debating it, you are a minority in this thread. Because, you know, Internet.

[Fawx9]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

And as a former wow player and Blizzard fan I'm telling you that you are mistaken. 

I couldcareless if you're in the wrong.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Just how old do you think SC2 and WoTLK are? The patch that Real ID went live on was 3.3.5  Which was released in Jjune 2010 just before SC2. The propsed changes, that caused the mess, were announced early July of that year. After an unbelievable amount of negative feedback Mike Morhaime(president and a co-founder of Blizzard, not Activision or Vivendi) issued the statement I posted above exactly 3 days later.

You don't have to be that old to play Starcratf since it was released in 1998 and WotLK was released in 2007.  I see my mistake on Mike Morhaime while I notice that its a PR move just like evrery company does.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Next time before calling me a liar actually do some research yourself *cough*

Yet SC2 is 3 years old and HoS was shown off before that annoucement, which that proves you to be in the wrong. 

LOL, this is hillarious.  You can't admit that your wrong so now you're saying that it was a PR stunt and the fans backlash meant nothing? 

Also what does SC and WoTLK release have anything to do with the Real ID fiasco.

In the end this is what happened (in reality, not in your made up world)

1) In game Real ID released late june 2010 on WoW and SC2 near release later that month.

2) Plans for forums Real ID revealed early july 2010

3) Mass fan backlash

4) 3 days later Blizzard's president steps in and says they are cancelling the feature casuing the fan backlash, due to reviewing fan feedback

Again the fans weren't deemed a vocal minority, they caused change, and weren't simply hand waved away because 'internet rage'.

If you want to believe in some made up story in your head thats fine. Just don't go spouting it off as fact.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ozida wrote...

to Blueprotoss...

By the fact that you are the only person debating it, you are a minority in this thread. Because, you know, Internet.

Blueprotoss is the Internet?!
MOTHER OF GOD!

[ShepnTali]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...
 
If you don't have a serious reply, I understand.

Why are you talking then since you're only insulting people at this point.

Ah... the high horse. Like the 'real fan' schtick.  And EC planned. Let's see the hard data on this one, like all the other hard data you've offered up. Good luck.  

[Vox Draco]

I just read some of the first comments here, and I love it how fast this whoel issue "so you wanted no bitterweet ending, just happy happy joy joy ending!"-stuff comes up again...

How often, damn it, is it needed to say that this galaxy is in ruins anyway, and even a victory NOT somehow granted by this calalyst-thingy, with Shepard staying true ti herself and winning on her OWN terms, including her and the rest of the galaxy surviving and the Reaper's wiped out will mean a very bittersweet ending!

You know, mass graves, orphans everywhere, destroyed infrastructure on most planets, many casulaties afterwards...more bitter anyone?

No, I guess nobody wants an ending where Shepard jsut beats the Reapers and everyone is alive and happy again. We are well aware of the consequences of the war.

But what many want is to have this damn feeling that it is US, the players and Shepard, who's actions are winning/ending this war. And no, choosing what this Starkiddy offers us is not the same. no, it feels like collaboration, and three of the four results are...horrible and no option for (sane...) Shepards...well, rejection would be, but dooming the human race and everyone else...screw you Bioware...I'd rather never play the game anymore, thank you very much indeed for nothing...

I am bitter...the sweetness has left me some months ago, and it currently dies lonely in some pile of rubble

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Vox Draco wrote...

I just read some of the first comments here, and I love it how fast this whoel issue "so you wanted no bitterweet ending, just happy happy joy joy ending!"-stuff comes up again...

How often, damn it, is it needed to say that this galaxy is in ruins anyway, and even a victory NOT somehow granted by this calalyst-thingy, with Shepard staying true to herself and winning on her OWN terms, including her and the rest of the galaxy surviving and the Reaper's wiped out will mean a very bittersweet ending!

You know, mass graves, orphans everywhere, destroyed infrastructure on most planets, many casulaties afterwards...more bitter anyone?

No, I guess nobody wants an ending where Shepard just beats the Reapers and everyone is alive and happy again. We are well aware of the consequences of the war.

But what many want is to have this damn feeling that it is US, the players and Shepard, who's actions are winning/ending this war. And no, choosing what this Starkiddy offers us is not the same. no, it feels like collaboration, and three of the four results are...horrible and no option for (sane...) Shepards...well, rejection would be, but dooming the human race and everyone else...screw you Bioware...I'd rather never play the game anymore, thank you very much indeed for nothing...

I am bitter...the sweetness has left me some months ago, and it currently dies lonely in some pile of rubble

Thank you.

There is also another thing. I've seen comparisons of this story to books, movies, etc., but people are overlooking one thing. In these other forms of story telling, or even in a shooter style game like Gears, or Halo you are not controlling the character's actions. You are removed from the actions of the character. You are an observer. 

When you role play a character and make choices for the character a piece of you goes into the character. Your choices become their choices. Your morals become their morals.

No matter what happens in the end, there are massive casualties on all worlds. Population centers are decimated. They make monsters out of the populations. Infrastructure is decimated. Ecosystems are severely damaged and will take decades or longer to recover. The reapers strip worlds of their resources. They ruin worlds. Humanitarian crisese exist on all populated worlds. They were doing this through out the story of ME3.

Look at that paragraph. How can you have any ending be happy happy happy? Even surviving and a reunion with your LI and team is bittersweet. If you think that's a happy ending with the above conditions you've got psychiatric problems.

What gets me is that Walters wouldn't even give us something like this on the Destroy ending: http://youtu.be/ytB9Wzi3UGs?t=6m40s That's bittersweet. What we got was bitter and ended in a pile of rubble. Hello, I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite pile of rubble (on the Citadel, in London, in Detroit, wherever I don't know where the **** I am).

[Blueprotoss]

Fawx9 wrote... 

LOL, this is hillarious.  You can't admit that your wrong so now you're saying that it was a PR stunt and the fans backlash meant nothing?

Actually there wasn't that mch backlash and I know you didn't read my comment since I admitted I was wrong about Mike Morhaime. 

Fawx9 wrote... 

Also what does SC and WoTLK release have anything to do with the Real ID fiasco.

In the end this is what happened (in reality, not in your made up world)

1) In game Real ID released late june 2010 on WoW and SC2 near release later that month.

2) Plans for forums Real ID revealed early july 2010

Yet its still not a fiasco and you still miss that article was in 2010 not 2007 with WotLK or 2009 with SC2. 

Fawx9 wrote...  

3) Mass fan backlash

4) 3 days later Blizzard's president steps in and says they are cancelling the feature casuing the fan backlash, due to reviewing fan feedback

Again the fans weren't deemed a vocal minority, they caused change, and weren't simply hand waved away because 'internet rage'.

If you want to believe in some made up story in your head thats fine. Just don't go spouting it off as fact.

All I see is straw-men based on how everything on the Internet is a contraversy.  Another one is if the "fan" outrage as big as you think then Battlenet would be filled with UI threads and pro players would have left en-masse while the opposite has happened.

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...
 
If you don't have a serious reply, I understand.

Why are you talking then since you're only insulting people at this point.

Ah... the high horse. Like the 'real fan' schtick.  And EC planned. Let's see the hard data on this one, like all the other hard data you've offered up. Good luck.  

I see that you haven't read my comments since already supplied the answers that you choose to ignore.  Btw you should be talking about yourself since you're on a high horse.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 07:59 .

[Vox Draco]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Thank you.

There is also another thing. I've seen comparisons of this story to books, movies, etc., but people are overlooking one thing. In these other forms of story telling, or even in a shooter style game like Gears, or Halo you are not controlling the character's actions. You are removed from the actions of the character. You are an observer. 

When you role play a character and make choices for the character a piece of you goes into the character. Your choices become their choices. Your morals become their morals.

That in fact something very important as I see it. A game, no matter what genre, always has the players shaping the events, or at least give us the illusion of doing so. RPGs even more so, because more story and decisions are involved.

So it is no wonder that so many fans were and still are unsatisfied, even offended by the way their beloved hero Shepard has to end this war, on Starbrats/Bioware's anti-climatic and out-of-character kind of way...

They discarded a boss-fight because it is too videogamey...alright, I can live with such a decision. But sometimes I wonder if they also forgot about the player's involvement in such a videogame. That it is us or at least our hero we are clsoe to that ends in a pile of rubble or turns the entire galaxy into cyborgs whatsoever...and that many if not most fans are quite simple:

They just want to win. Thre is nothing bad, stupid or ignorant about this. Not for me at least. I play games to escape reality sometimes. Nothing bad about dark endings, but MAss Effect, despite popular claims by some palyers, never prepared me properly for that. I never saw such an ending coming, never...

I guess I was blind, as for me it was always about uniting the galaxy, overcome their old hatreds and stand together to achieve the impossible: Defeat the Reapers on our own terms...what a massive uplifting emotion this scenario could have been, with proper cut-scenes and epilogues...

But no...Bioware went the artistic road in hopes to achieve soemthing more unusual and memorable...and went totally astray, completly missing what their fanbase longed to see. feel and experience...

[ShepnTali]

Ok. You've offered a jumble of fluff and no meat. Still.

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

Ok. You've offered a jumble of fluff and no meat. Still.

Yet there's a lot of meat with Bioware's quick announcment then release of the EC based on the amount of CG work.  Hek there's enough meat alone with Martin to in Sheen's quote at the end of the voice actor trailer for ME3.  I know you're going to ignore this again solely based you don't want to be wrong even when the facts don't agree with your opinion.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 08:29 .