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Cthulhu42 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Ok. You've offered a jumble of fluff and no meat. Still.

Talking to blueprotoss is an exercise in futility.

Its ironic that you say this based on you speed most of the time on the polls showing off your extreme negativity. You shouldn't cast the 1st stone unless if you're free of sin while I see that you'll still insult others.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 01 août 2012 - 08:34 .


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I killed EDI and the geth just so I let Shephard lives, and do his thing with his LI. I felt I did not won at all. There was no reunion scene or no cutscenes post-crucible. Just crappy artwork and they still killed off Shephard.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

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Ok. You've offered a jumble of fluff and no meat. Still.

Yet there's a lot of meat with Bioware's quick announcment then release of the EC based on the amount of CG work.  Hek there's enough meat alone with Martin to in Sheen's quote at the end of the voice actor trailer for ME3.  I know you're going to ignore this again solely based you don't want to be wrong even when the facts don't agree with your opinion.


the same can be said about you since, Martin could be talking about any DLC, and having the EC planned before all this mean Bioware wanted this to happen, and makes them the most shady Video Game developers ever, thats what your saying basically

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Bible quotes aren't likely to pass by unchallenged, protoss.

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I killed EDI just so I let Shephard lives, and do his with LI. I felt I did not won at all. There was no reunion scene or no cutscenes post-crucible. Just crappy artwork and killed off Shephard.


The problem here is you were playing for the wrong in-universe reason. People who feel like it wasn't a victory weren't fighting to eliminate the Reapers. They were fighting to have a reunion. They were fighting for blue children. They were fighting to live. All noble reasons, but all of them wrong.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

DrwEddy wrote...

I killed EDI just so I let Shephard lives, and do his with LI. I felt I did not won at all. There was no reunion scene or no cutscenes post-crucible. Just crappy artwork and killed off Shephard.


The problem here is you were playing for the wrong in-universe reason. People who feel like it wasn't a victory weren't fighting to eliminate the Reapers. They were fighting to have a reunion. They were fighting for blue children. They were fighting to live. All noble reasons, but all of them wrong.

What you talkin' about?Image IPB

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EntropicAngel wrote...

DrwEddy wrote...

I killed EDI just so I let Shephard lives, and do his with LI. I felt I did not won at all. There was no reunion scene or no cutscenes post-crucible. Just crappy artwork and killed off Shephard.


The problem here is you were playing for the wrong in-universe reason. People who feel like it wasn't a victory weren't fighting to eliminate the Reapers. They were fighting to have a reunion. They were fighting for blue children. They were fighting to live. All noble reasons, but all of them wrong.


I fought for all of the above

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So "fighting Reapers by all means", right? No victory is good without losses? Ok, I can write stories like this myself too. Here we go:
Once upon a time there was a mysterious army of Rapers. Every 5,000 years or so they would come and rape the entire galaxy, except for the most primitive forms of life and plants. Nobody knew why they did it.
Meanwhile commander Pijack lived this own life. He was a good soldier fighting for several years against exebicionists who accepted Rapers way as a key to a brighter future. He was able to kill one Raper once, but it was hard. Then he killed another two, but lost his brother, his girlfriend and his beloved space hamster. Everybody cried. Commander Pijack almost died couple of times, but was miracly saved. He defeated a whole bunch of pedophiles who worked for Rapers to transform kids into new Rapers. For that Commander Pijack earned some respect from other species. They still wouldn't believe him about Rapers though, against all the evidences.

Then the real war with Rapers started. Everybody knew it's going to be hard and many will die. But they still believed in Commander Pijack for the all great victories he has achieved in the past... Well, too bad! Because when Commander Pijack thought that he just got himself a Big F*cking Gun that suppose to kill all Rapers once and for all, a little kid came down on a glowing platform.

The kid explained that he created Rapers because he was scared of being raped, so Rapers were raping the galaxy to stop the raping. He offered a solution. Commander Pijack could control Rapers himself, raping bad guys only (although he would never to have sex himself); he could destroy Rapers, but his exebicionists friends would die along with Commander Pijack's parents being raped in the most brutal way; or he could merge with Rapers to create a new form of life of "happy Rapers". He also could refuse, but, of course, then everybody would get raped again and the whole cycle would continue.

Wow, isn't that a bittersweet ending? Don't you feel victorious for Commander Pijack? I claim this the best art humanity ever seen and want my Pulitzer prize now. And don't you dare to judge my artistic integrity, you are just a minority anyway.

^ THAT idiotic story explains pretty well how I felt about ME3 edings. Like an idiot. Image IPB

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DrwEddy wrote...

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DrwEddy wrote...

I killed EDI just so I let Shephard lives, and do his with LI. I felt I did not won at all. There was no reunion scene or no cutscenes post-crucible. Just crappy artwork and killed off Shephard.


The problem here is you were playing for the wrong in-universe reason. People who feel like it wasn't a victory weren't fighting to eliminate the Reapers. They were fighting to have a reunion. They were fighting for blue children. They were fighting to live. All noble reasons, but all of them wrong.

What you talkin' about?Image IPB


Look at the bolded part. That's your problem. Why were you expecting there to be a reunion or another cutscene? The Reapers were destroyed. That's all that matters.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

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Ok. You've offered a jumble of fluff and no meat. Still.

Talking to blueprotoss is an exercise in futility.


Don't remind me, haha. 

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Man all three ending choices felt better to me than watching my momma turned into a freakish zombie of some blasted blood mage at the end of act 2 in DA2! Serious upgrade to me. Bioware has a dark rep for wacking folks we care about (Ashley/Kaiden choice; Hawk's siblings; the Couslins whole family). I wasn't surprised, but glad they finished the sequences with Extended Cut. I guess I watch too many international films that don't have Disney endings.

More Single Player DLC quickly please...Madden's on the way and ME3 will collect dust! LOL


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Woah theres a lot of hostility on this forum. Whats wrong with people being able to express their opinions without getting slated!

TBH i really didn't like the endings, although the EC did clarify the endings a little for me and helped me understand what the hell was going on with the different coloured beams i still wasn't pleased.

I just felt really connected to my Shep after making all of her decisions and forming all of the friendships so all i wanted was for her to have a "happy" ending to. I don't think thats a bad thing to want......

I still would like to see an alternative ending but i know it isn't going to happen so now i plan on enjoying the MP until the next DLC is launched, something i'm really looking forward to :-) I'll try and not to think about Shep being dead as i play it though ;-)

Modifié par Emz_J, 01 août 2012 - 08:58 .


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EntropicAngel wrote...


The problem here is you were playing for the wrong in-universe reason. People who feel like it wasn't a victory weren't fighting to eliminate the Reapers. They were fighting to have a reunion. They were fighting for blue children. They were fighting to live. All noble reasons, but all of them wrong.

I seriously disagree with you. I fought to eliminate the Reapers. That was the goal. I felt like it wasn't victory because all along ME3 I fought either against Cerberus or Husks (and 2 destroyers. One of them got eaten by a thresher maw, Wow). The small fry.
When it came to the real thing, a brat pops out of nowhere, said he's the boss, spits out his nonsensical crap about the tech sing, gave me three choices based on this very crap and I must choose how I was going to die. I couldn't even argue with him. That's the problem for me.

So in comparison to this, this frakking LI reunion can wait until it snows in hell. I'm really getting sick of this. As if it was the most important thing in Mass Effect.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 01 août 2012 - 09:05 .


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Ozida wrote...

So "fighting Reapers by all means", right? No victory is good without losses? Ok, I can write stories like this myself too. Here we go:
Once upon a time there was a mysterious army of Rapers. Every 5,000 years or so they would come and rape the entire galaxy, except for the most primitive forms of life and plants. Nobody knew why they did it.
Meanwhile commander Pijack lived this own life. He was a good soldier fighting for several years against exebicionists who accepted Rapers way as a key to a brighter future. He was able to kill one Raper once, but it was hard. Then he killed another two, but lost his brother, his girlfriend and his beloved space hamster. Everybody cried. Commander Pijack almost died couple of times, but was miracly saved. He defeated a whole bunch of pedophiles who worked for Rapers to transform kids into new Rapers. For that Commander Pijack earned some respect from other species. They still wouldn't believe him about Rapers though, against all the evidences.

Then the real war with Rapers started. Everybody knew it's going to be hard and many will die. But they still believed in Commander Pijack for the all great victories he has achieved in the past... Well, too bad! Because when Commander Pijack thought that he just got himself a Big F*cking Gun that suppose to kill all Rapers once and for all, a little kid came down on a glowing platform.

The kid explained that he created Rapers because he was scared of being raped, so Rapers were raping the galaxy to stop the raping. He offered a solution. Commander Pijack could control Rapers himself, raping bad guys only (although he would never to have sex himself); he could destroy Rapers, but his exebicionists friends would die along with Commander Pijack's parents being raped in the most brutal way; or he could merge with Rapers to create a new form of life of "happy Rapers". He also could refuse, but, of course, then everybody would get raped again and the whole cycle would continue.

Wow, isn't that a bittersweet ending? Don't you feel victorious for Commander Pijack? I claim this the best art humanity ever seen and want my Pulitzer prize now. And don't you dare to judge my artistic integrity, you are just a minority anyway.

^ THAT idiotic story explains pretty well how I felt about ME3 edings. Like an idiot. Image IPB


Atleast that was entertaining. It's sadder to use something end up looking so ridiculous and contrived when it's trying to be serious.

+1, sir.

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Emz_J wrote...

Woah theres a lot of hostility on this forum. Whats wrong with people being able to express their opinions without getting slated!

TBH i really didn't like the endings, although the EC did clarify the endings a little for me and helped me understand what the hell was going on with the different coloured beams i still wasn't pleased.

I just felt really connected to my Shep after making all of her decisions and forming all of the friendships so all i wanted was for her to have a "happy" ending to. I don't think thats a bad thing to want......

I still would like to see an alternative ending but i know it isn't going to happen so now i plan on enjoying the MP until the next DLC is launched, something i'm really looking forward to :-) I'll try and not to think about Shep being dead as i play it though ;-)


Ahaha, welcome to BSN - it's the usual. There is the odd times that people actually have great arguments without getting into insults, but that's rare for most to see, haha.  

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I seriously disagree with you. I fought to eliminate the Reapers. That was the goal. I feel it wasn't victory because all along ME3 I fought either against Cerberus or Husks (and 2 destroyers. One of them got a eaten by a thresher maw, Wow). The small fry.
When it came to the real thing, a brat pops out of nowhere, said he's the boss, spits out his nonsensical crap about the tech sing, gave me three choices based on this very crap and I must choose how I was going to die. I couldn't even argue with him. That's the problem for me.

So in comparison to this, this frakking LI reunion can wait until it snows in hell. I'm really getting sick of this. As if it was the most important thing in Mass Effect.


You felt like it wasn't a victory in the sense of the term victory...but did you get the job accomplished? That's the difference between what you're saying and what they're saying. They're saying it was incomplete. You're saying it was not a victory in the sense of the...psychological implications, the connotation if you will, of the word victory. That's an entirely different issue and I can see your point.

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Ahaha, welcome to BSN - it's the usual. There is the odd times that people actually have great arguments without getting into insults, but that's rare for most to see, haha.  


Do you remember Cheez's "Let me save them" thread? There'd be like ten pages of arguing and mild insults, then suddenly everyone would be joking around for a couple pages. I think it really helped the discussion.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

I seriously disagree with you. I fought to eliminate the Reapers. That was the goal. I feel it wasn't victory because all along ME3 I fought either against Cerberus or Husks (and 2 destroyers. One of them got a eaten by a thresher maw, Wow). The small fry.
When it came to the real thing, a brat pops out of nowhere, said he's the boss, spits out his nonsensical crap about the tech sing, gave me three choices based on this very crap and I must choose how I was going to die. I couldn't even argue with him. That's the problem for me.

So in comparison to this, this frakking LI reunion can wait until it snows in hell. I'm really getting sick of this. As if it was the most important thing in Mass Effect.


You felt like it wasn't a victory in the sense of the term victory...but did you get the job accomplished? That's the difference between what you're saying and what they're saying. They're saying it was incomplete. You're saying it was not a victory in the sense of the...psychological implications, the connotation if you will, of the word victory. That's an entirely different issue and I can see your point.

The Crucible got the job accomplished. It could have been Conrad Verner on the Citadel with the Brat, it had been the same.
And yes, they didn't get closure. But for me, I didn't even get an ending. Shep stopped to be anything but a tool at the moment where she was lifted to the kid.

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Uncle Jo wrote...

The Crucible got the job accomplished. It could have been Conrad Verner on the Citadel with the Brat, it had been the same. 
And yes, they didn't get closure. But for me, I didn't even get an ending. Shep stopped to be anything but a tool at the moment where she was lifted to the kid.



Only in the same way that a bullet gets the job accomplished, not the shooter. Shepard was in control, but there were confines, like with every choice.

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EntropicAngel wrote...

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Ahaha, welcome to BSN - it's the usual. There is the odd times that people actually have great arguments without getting into insults, but that's rare for most to see, haha.  


Do you remember Cheez's "Let me save them" thread? There'd be like ten pages of arguing and mild insults, then suddenly everyone would be joking around for a couple pages. I think it really helped the discussion.

I remember that was the thread in which I learned the gender of your avatar. I had no idea what it was before, lol.

Modifié par Cthulhu42, 01 août 2012 - 09:41 .


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Let's all let out our secrets now.

:o

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I remember that was the thread in which I learned the gender of your avatar. I had no idea what it was before, lol.


You are a bad person and you should feel bad. For not immediately knowing everything about Lightning the first time you saw her. Like I did.

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I remember that was the thread in which I learned the gender of your avatar. I had no idea what it was before, lol.


You are a bad person and you should feel bad. For not immediately knowing everything about Lightning the first time you saw her. Like I did.

Oh, I am a bad person, I'll admit that, but it has little to do with my lack of knowledge on FF characters.

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Oh, I am a bad person, I'll admit that, but it has little to do with my lack of knowledge on FF characters.


I care not for other FF characters. Lightning matters, and all should know her.

I plan to start evangelizing soon. Carry an Xbox 360 and a copy of the game with me. I'll park in a town and set it up on a big screen and cause a ruckus until people pay attention.

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I felt pretty darn victorious. I've defeated the Reapers and forever ended the Cycle. Doesn't get better than that.