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[incinerator950]

Applepie_Svk wrote...



Silence is you answer ...

[Ksandor]

He also mentions "understanding" will come with the change. Sounds a lot like brainwashing.

Stargate SG-1 Ark of Truth.... Same crap.

Catalyst says Synthesis should be voluntary and then Shepard forces his own will and opinion on the galaxy like any other indoctrinated fool. That is pure contradiction.

Understanding should come BEFORE the Synthesis so people could choose it only if they want to. Free Will.

Bioware indoctrinates fans to choose Synthesis instead. That is the real danger. Chose destroy, and assume EDI and Geth survived in your head canon. That is the best we can do.

Control is bad too. It reminds of Hitler and Big Brother. Hate to see it.

Modifié par Ksandor, 03 août 2012 - 12:41 .

[Blueprotoss]

Fawx9 wrote...

Since there seems to be a communication problems I'm going to make it real simple.

- November 13, 2008: WoTLK release

- June 22, 2010: Patch 3.3.5, releasing Real ID to WoW in game

- July 6, 2010: Announcement that Real ID is coming to the forums and that user's real names will be used to identify posters

- July 6-9, 2010: Posts, blogs and websites criticize the idea, culminatiing in a single thread reaching 50K posts in less than 3 days

- July 9, 2010: Blizzard's president responds to the criticism, stating that after reviewing feedback that they will not go ahead with posters being identified by their real names

- July 27, 2010: SC2 releases with Real ID (my bad, for some reason I thought it was released late june)

There were errors on both sides while you shouldn't forget about the beta time that used the Real ID in WoW and SC2.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Again I ask, if the internet is to be considered a negligable minority, why did Blizzard reverse it's stance and cite the posters as the reason for that reversal?  

Reference

Battlenet is filled with a small group of people that will complain about anyhting, which this happens on every offical forum like here on BSN.  Btw this is the usual PR move and the only thing that changed was the Facebook integration on the Battlnet forums, which the reason why the complaints appeared was the fact that people didn't have that much anonymity to hide behind.  Blizzard would have to change that anyways since they don't want a stupid lawsuit on their hands like someone tracking down another person for an ass kicking.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ksandor wrote...

He also mentions "understanding" will come with the change. Sounds a lot like brainwashing.

Stargate SG-1 Ark of Truth.... Same crap.

Catalyst says Synthesis should be voluntary and then Shepard forces his own will and opinion on the galaxy like any other indoctrinated fool. That is pure contradiction.

Understanding should come BEFORE the Synthesis so people could choose it only if they want to. Free Will.

Bioware indoctrinates fans to choose Synthesis instead. That is the real danger. Chose destroy, and assume EDI and Geth survived in your head canon. That is the best we can do.

Control is bad too. It reminds of Hitler and Big Brother. Hate to see it.

I love me some Stargate but Ark of Truth was bad.

[Blueprotoss]

MOELANDER wrote...

Just wanted to throw this in. Contains Spoilers for Batman Arkham City




At the end of Arkham City the Joker dies, even when Batman would have given him the cure. Batman comes out and lays the Joker down on the hood of a policecar. While Jim Gordon and the rest of Gotham sure would be relieved to see their most feared psychopath dead, Batman is somber, because he couldn't save his life. He doesn't feel the victory.

Now why is that? It's because Bruce Wayne does not believe in the punishment of death and would rather see the Joker rot in a cell for the rest of his life, thinking of all the wrong he has done.
You as the player can feel with him, but the game still feels like a victory to you, even though your player character does not feel the same way.
The reason it worked there is because rocksteady stayed true to the character of Batman, while BioWare did not stay true to the theme of it's game series, which was about overcoming overwhelming odds.

Just what I thought about this.

Also Arkham City is way more diverse than ME3. Where did all those sidequests go?

Different things are different and you're forgetting that the Arkham series doesn't have an integrated choice system that carries over into each installment of the trilogy.  Heck most of the RPGs currently on the market don't have over 16 endings that ME3 pre-EC had.

[Fawx9]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

Since there seems to be a communication problems I'm going to make it real simple.

- November 13, 2008: WoTLK release

- June 22, 2010: Patch 3.3.5, releasing Real ID to WoW in game

- July 6, 2010: Announcement that Real ID is coming to the forums and that user's real names will be used to identify posters

- July 6-9, 2010: Posts, blogs and websites criticize the idea, culminatiing in a single thread reaching 50K posts in less than 3 days

- July 9, 2010: Blizzard's president responds to the criticism, stating that after reviewing feedback that they will not go ahead with posters being identified by their real names

- July 27, 2010: SC2 releases with Real ID (my bad, for some reason I thought it was released late june)

There were errors on both sides while you shouldn't forget about the beta time that used the Real ID in WoW and SC2.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Again I ask, if the internet is to be considered a negligable minority, why did Blizzard reverse it's stance and cite the posters as the reason for that reversal?  

Reference

Battlenet is filled with a small group of people that will complain about anyhting, which this happens on every offical forum like here on BSN.  Btw this is the usual PR move and the only thing that changed was the Facebook integration on the Battlnet forums, which the reason why the complaints appeared was the fact that people didn't have that much anonymity to hide behind.  Blizzard would have to change that anyways since they don't want a stupid lawsuit on their hands like someone tracking down another person for an ass kicking.

You can try to spin it whatver way you want, Blizzard came out and said the reason they did it was cause of the fans.

I'm more inclined to believe that they did infact listen, when they said they did, over cover up PR move.

[Blueprotoss]

Ksandor wrote...

He also mentions "understanding" will come with the change. Sounds a lot like brainwashing.

Stargate SG-1 Ark of Truth.... Same crap.

Catalyst says Synthesis should be voluntary and then Shepard forces his own will and opinion on the galaxy like any other indoctrinated fool. That is pure contradiction.

Understanding should come BEFORE the Synthesis so people could choose it only if they want to. Free Will.

Bioware indoctrinates fans to choose Synthesis instead. That is the real danger. Chose destroy, and assume EDI and Geth survived in your head canon. That is the best we can do.

Control is bad too. It reminds of Hitler and Big Brother. Hate to see it.

How is that contradicting when Shepard is the face of the Milky Way based alone on his/her defeat of Saren and Sovreign.  Synthesis, Control, and Destroy have been themes in ME since ME1 while I don't see what the big deal is with them.  Either way Bioware always has the last word based on how they created the whole ME series.

[Blueprotoss]

Fawx9 wrote...

You can try to spin it whatver way you want, Blizzard came out and said the reason they did it was cause of the fans.

I'm not spinning anything at all and I'm surprised that you don't claim that every little change is done by "fan reaction".

Fawx9 wrote... 

I'm more inclined to believe that they did infact listen, when they said they did, over cover up PR move.

Actually the whole thing was a PR move based on how if someone tracked down another person based on personal harassment then Blizzard could be held liable.  It was Blizzard' s decision so they didn't get sued even when anonymity still doesn't hide you if someone is determined enough while Blizzard is now covered.  All that happened was the Real ID being removed in the Battlenet forums, which thats a very small change in the general Real ID system.

[Fawx9]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

You can try to spin it whatver way you want, Blizzard came out and said the reason they did it was cause of the fans.

I'm not spinning anything at all and I'm surprised that you don't claim that every little change is done by "fan reaction".

Fawx9 wrote... 

I'm more inclined to believe that they did infact listen, when they said they did, over cover up PR move.

Actually the whole thing was a PR move based on how if someone tracked down another person based on personal harassment then Blizzard could be held liable.  It was Blizzard' s decision so they didn't get sued even when anonymity still doesn't hide you if someone is determined enough while Blizzard is now covered.  All that happened was the Real ID being removed in the Battlenet forums, which thats a very small change in the general Real ID system.

Ah so it was a PR move designed to cause a massive ****storm on their forums, which was causing even MVPs to reconsider being a part of it, which required the president of the company to bascially admit it was better to not do it at all?

Ya that sounds like something any buissness would want to try and pull off.

And I never said that every change is made by fan reaction. My point was that sometimes fans do have enough numbers and a good enough point that they will be listened to, even if it comes from the internet.

[Leon Felps]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ksandor wrote...

He also mentions "understanding" will come with the change. Sounds a lot like brainwashing.

Stargate SG-1 Ark of Truth.... Same crap.

Catalyst says Synthesis should be voluntary and then Shepard forces his own will and opinion on the galaxy like any other indoctrinated fool. That is pure contradiction.

Understanding should come BEFORE the Synthesis so people could choose it only if they want to. Free Will.

Bioware indoctrinates fans to choose Synthesis instead. That is the real danger. Chose destroy, and assume EDI and Geth survived in your head canon. That is the best we can do.

Control is bad too. It reminds of Hitler and Big Brother. Hate to see it.

How is that contradicting when Shepard is the face of the Milky Way based alone on his/her defeat of Saren and Sovreign.  Synthesis, Control, and Destroy have been themes in ME since ME1 while I don't see what the big deal is with them.  Either way Bioware always has the last word based on how they created the whole ME series.

I must have missed the part of the story that the galaxy surrendered
it's will to Shepard at any point, let alone after Saren.  Seems like I
had to move mountains to get anyone but my crew to do anything I thought
was a good idea.

I don't know if you are arguing that the
Synthesis and Control endings aren't pretty wrong looking or what.  They seem pretty questionable pathes to take.  Yea
BW can say whatever but that doesn't mean that's how it looks.

[Iakus]

Every time I see this thread title, I want to say "Yes it is. Now shut up and pick a color so Shepard can die, already"

[rymajn3]

One of the reasons I'm not buying the dlc. The ending is extremely underwhelming.

[Blueprotoss]

Fawx9 wrote...

Ah so it was a PR move designed to cause a massive ****storm on their forums, which was causing even MVPs to reconsider being a part of it, which required the president of the company to bascially admit it was better to not do it at all?

Yet that was a small uproar just like having an Internet connection to play thier games.  Its nothing new to see a small group of people complaining about something just like companies looking to cover themselves legally on something.

Fawx9 wrote... 

Ya that sounds like something any buissness would want to try and pull off.

Haters gonna hate.

Fawx9 wrote... 

And I never said that every change is made by fan reaction. My point was that sometimes fans do have enough numbers and a good enough point that they will be listened to, even if it comes from the internet.

You didn't say that while you acted as if every change is made by fan reaction.  Fans barely change things with deconstructive feedback which is why most of the fan changes are done through constuctive feedback.    Most of the Inernet are extremely negative or demand alterations and thats why most people ignore them.

[Blueprotoss]

Leon Felps wrote...

I must have missed the part of the story that the galaxy surrendered
it's will to Shepard at any point, let alone after Saren.  Seems like I
had to move mountains to get anyone but my crew to do anything I thought
was a good idea.

I'm sure you missed all of that since Shepard keeps on saving the galaxy especially when Anderson keeps on telling Shepard to save us.

Leon Felps wrote... 

I don't know if you are arguing that the
Synthesis and Control endings aren't pretty wrong looking or what.  They seem pretty questionable pathes to take.  Yea
BW can say whatever but that doesn't mean that's how it looks.

There are quetionable based on Destroy is the main option while Control and Synthesis are still there based on how all 3 are important themes throughout the series.

[Blueprotoss]

iakus wrote...

Every time I see this thread title, I want to say "Yes it is. Now shut up and pick a color so Shepard can die, already"

Some people just don't want to move on.

[AlanC9]

I don't see anything in particular that's wrong with Control.

Unless it's just too ironic for people to handle? What with Shepard fulfilling TIM's plan and all?

[Leon Felps]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Leon Felps wrote...

I must have missed the part of the story that the galaxy surrendered
it's will to Shepard at any point, let alone after Saren.  Seems like I
had to move mountains to get anyone but my crew to do anything I thought
was a good idea.

I'm sure you missed all of that since Shepard keeps on saving the galaxy especially when Anderson keeps on telling Shepard to save us.

I don't know what you are arguing.  Anderson doesn't speak for all life either.  Has Shepard been doing things all along that others don't agree with? Obviously.  Given the situation the ending put you in, Shepard making a call on the prettiest light isn't the problem.  What the lights do is, and that's a big reason the endings aren't good; well one reason anyway.  I agree with you that if anyone should make that kind of call in this game, it's Shepard.  But it's those calls being the only offerings which make every ending seem like a morally wrong one with Destory really only having any validation; at least in my eyes.

Blueprotoss wrote...

Leon Felps wrote... 

I don't know if you are arguing that the
Synthesis and Control endings aren't pretty wrong looking or what.  They seem pretty questionable pathes to take.  Yea
BW can say whatever but that doesn't mean that's how it looks.

There are quetionable based on Destroy is the main option while Control and Synthesis are still there based on how all 3 are important themes throughout the series.

I still don't know what point you are trying to make.   All three are questionable.  All three are important themes.  I'm with you 100%.   If you don't have your own opinions about those choices beyond that they stop the Reapers, there is nothing left to say then.

Modifié par Leon Felps, 04 août 2012 - 12:11 .

[Blueprotoss]

Leon Felps wrote...

I don't know what you are arguing.  Anderson doesn't speak for all life either.  Has Shepard been doing things all along that others don't agree with? Obviously.  Given the situation the ending put you in, Shepard making a call on the prettiest light isn't the problem.  What the lights do is, and that's a big reason the endings aren't good; well one reason anyway.  I agree with you that if anyone should make that kind of call in this game, it's Shepard.  But it's those calls being the only offerings which make every ending seem like a morally wrong one with Destory really only having any validation; at least in my eyes.

Even though Anderson has a small amount of dialogue while he does have a hge impact like the old saying that "actions speak louder then words".  Its petty that you describe three central themes throughout the series as "whats the prettiest light".

Leon Felps wrote... 

I still don't know what point you are trying to make.   All three are questionable.  All three are important themes.  I'm with you 100%.   If you don't have your own opinions about those choices beyond that they stop the Reapers, there is nothing left to say then.

Ironically there's always a choice even when you think Destroy is the only option.

[Nightwriter]

iakus wrote...

Every time I see this thread title, I want to say "Yes it is. Now shut up and pick a color so Shepard can die, already"

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't see anything in particular that's wrong with Control.

Unless it's just too ironic for people to handle? What with Shepard fulfilling TIM's plan and all?

I think its more the ever looming concern of AI shep going rampant somewhere down the road.

Look at the sci fi we have to draw on in concerns with AI intelligences.

2001

Halo

Battlestar

Mass effect itself

When AI have superiority over you in most sci-fi instances they end up killing you. Not to mention that by the catalyst's own logic this whole thing will just kickstart itself up again somewhere down the road. Could be a century, a millenium or an hour. But it will happen again.

And given the fact that, again, reiterating, most sci fi's have AI's like the Shep AI turning rampant leaves things rather bleak.

[Blueprotoss]

ld1449 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I don't see anything in particular that's wrong with Control.

Unless it's just too ironic for people to handle? What with Shepard fulfilling TIM's plan and all?

I think its more the ever looming concern of AI shep going rampant somewhere down the road.

Look at the sci fi we have to draw on in concerns with AI intelligences.

2001

Halo

Battlestar

Mass effect itself

When AI have superiority over you in most sci-fi instances they end up killing you. Not to mention that by the catalyst's own logic this whole thing will just kickstart itself up again somewhere down the road. Could be a century, a millenium or an hour. But it will happen again.

And given the fact that, again, reiterating, most sci fi's have AI's like the Shep AI turning rampant leaves things rather bleak.

The same could be said about Destroy and Synthesis while it will be interesting to see what happens.  Either way I still love scif-fi.  

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 05 août 2012 - 12:28 .