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[Mcfly616]

I had no illusions going into ME3 ....I knew that many people would die. And I knew that Shepard was probably going to have to give his life in order to stop the Reaper threat....


No sacrifice, no victory.....


And I had fun the entire time.....sad? At moments.....not unlike watching a great movie that has a sad scene in it.....just because it has an emotional scene in it, doesn't mean I'm never going to watch it again.....

I applaud a game or movie that can get an emotional rise out of me....and that's why I continue to play ME3 over and over since the release of the EC.....

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Didn't you get the word? Feeling victorious and uplifted is not "in style" these days. Everyone and their mother it seems on the BSN loves the "cut your wrists and give up on life" mentality of ME3.

I guess you never saw of the possibility Shepard dieing at the end of ME3 or the billions of organics getting killed throughout it would happen after playing at least ME1 or ME2.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Didn't you get the word? Feeling victorious and uplifted is not "in style" these days. Everyone and their mother it seems on the BSN loves the "cut your wrists and give up on life" mentality of ME3.

I guess you never saw of the possibility Shepard dieing at the end of ME3 or the billions of organics getting killed throughout it would happen after playing at least ME1 or ME2.

Sacrafice is one thing but didn't think I'd end up feeling like I should be brought up on war crimes afterwards.

[IST]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I had no illusions going into ME3 ....I knew that many people would die. And I knew that Shepard was probably going to have to give his life in order to stop the Reaper threat....


No sacrifice, no victory.....


And I had fun the entire time.....sad? At moments.....not unlike watching a great movie that has a sad scene in it.....just because it has an emotional scene in it, doesn't mean I'm never going to watch it again.....

I applaud a game or movie that can get an emotional rise out of me....and that's why I continue to play ME3 over and over since the release of the EC.....

Great post, EXACTLY how I feel about it.

God, I wish I waited to play it for the first time with EC... even so, I only have love for Mass Effect again now, it was like a small wall was put up pre-EC that just blocked the love receptors in my brain from firing for the whole series, which in turn, made me quite sad.

Thanks Bioware for ripping down that wall, and allowing my pleasure receptors the chance to fire again for Mass Effect, they applaud you. 

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I guess you never saw of the possibility Shepard dieing at the end of ME3 or the billions of organics getting killed throughout it would happen after playing at least ME1 or ME2.

That's the thing, there is no "possibility", it's death no matter how you slice it.
Not only do billions die.
Not only do a few good close friends die.
Shepard get's shafted in every single ending.

It would've been nice to have more variety.
Hey! Did you save the Collector Base? Cool, then less people die, but B happens.
Hey! Did you destroy the Base? More people die, but C happens.

It's one thing when the losses are inflicted because of your choices, it's another when they are heaped upon you for the reason "It's war". Gee thanks game, I know war sucks, can we get back to the awesome SciFi game please?

Plus, I like to adhere to the Kirk method for dealing with BS problems, "I don't believe in a no-win scenario."

[Nightwriter]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

But I still resent that the solutions were handed down to me by some god-like authority figure.

That's a dealbreaker.

I mean, really. I didn't defeat my enemy, I renegotiated with him on his terms and came to an agreed solution on his terms. I've got no idea why they decided to turn our nemesis into this weird figure that occupies a funky gray area between enemy and neutral party.

How is that when God(s) isn't anything new as a concept especially in the sci-fi genre.

No idea what you're talking about. Is this about kitty snipers?

That's my best guess. If it's wrong I got nothin'.

[DeathWingKingUltimate]

Ending fits well within a novel perhaps, but i needed a climax good epic ending, like legion said we will build our own future. But everything went against that in the ending. Nothing mattered, Victory handed to me by the lunatic construct called itself catalyst that pop out of nowhere.... simply didn't felt epic to ending a great trilogy...

[v TricKy v]

Mcfly616 wrote...
No sacrifice, no victory.....

There are already millions/billions of people dead at the end of ME3 including friends like Thane and Mordin and most populated worlds are seriously damaged. I dont get the point of killing Shepard or the Geth. The end is already bittersweet. There is no need to force it further

[Blueprotoss]

sth128 wrote...

And Batman & Robin had both Batman and Robin in it, why is everyone calling it a bad movie?

Because the story sucked. Their actions are comedic at best, and Batman had a credit card.

You should read some of the older Batman comics and watch the Live Action Cereal with Adam West because you'll see that the bat nipples and batman credit card isn't that crazy.

sth128 wrote... 

It's not enough that we just "end the cycle". A resolution without context is meaningless. So what if you win? Without knowing why the Reapers did what they did or how the hero's actions affected the galaxy all efforts would be voided.

The resolution is that the Reapers aren't a threat anymore at the end of ME3 and that was you're goal since ME1.

sth128 wrote... 

What if "Back to the Future II" simply ended when Marty McFly realized the entire course of history has been badly damaged? I mean, he "went back to the future", is it enough? No.

Marty was just lucky and 
Back to the Future series didn't look into the butterfly effect that the Sound of Thunder had whether its the short story or movie adaptation.

sth128 wrote... 

In any story telling, it's not enough that the hero simply achieve what he or she set out to do. The victory must have long lasting meaning that relates the theme of the story itself. LOTR didn't just end when the ring fell into the lava. Star Wars didn't just end when the death star blew up.

Yet you forget the most important thing of all that ME3 and the ME series isn't over either.

sth128 wrote... 

The hero must realize that the original destination is not what he was seeking after all, that there's more to the galaxy than just "stop the cycle".

The original destination was to stop Saren in the beginning of ME1 later that mission was changed to stop the Reapers, which carried on into ME2 and ME3.

sth128 wrote... 

Did Batman Begins just end when Bruce donned the cowl?

Batman Begins is Nolan's adaptation of a modern Year One arc for Batman, which it wouldn't have ended like that at all.

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
I guess you never saw of the possibility Shepard dieing at the end of ME3 or the billions of organics getting killed throughout it would happen after playing at least ME1 or ME2.

That's the thing, there is no "possibility", it's death no matter how you slice it.
Not only do billions die.
Not only do a few good close friends die.
Shepard get's shafted in every single ending.

It would've been nice to have more variety.
Hey! Did you save the Collector Base? Cool, then less people die, but B happens.
Hey! Did you destroy the Base? More people die, but C happens.

It's one thing when the losses are inflicted because of your choices, it's another when they are heaped upon you for the reason "It's war". Gee thanks game, I know war sucks, can we get back to the awesome SciFi game please?

Plus, I like to adhere to the Kirk method for dealing with BS problems, "I don't believe in a no-win scenario."

War in general will always have a high body count of dead bodies and lost souls while it sounds like you never played ME1, ME2, ME3 to learn the meaning of the word sacrafice.  There are always no-win scenarios that happen in real life all over the world on a daily basis while there's nothing wrong with having fictional  no-win scenarios based on how immortality doesn't exist when you're alive.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:13 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
War in general will always have a high body count of dead bodies and lost souls while it sounds like you never played ME1, ME2, ME3 to learn the meaning of the word sacrafice.

Whut?

Some sacrificies are fine and dandy, but when it's stuffed down my throat going "YOU WILL BE AN UNHAPPY PERSON BECAUSE WE TELL YOU TO!" it can go straight to hell.

Virmire, was good.
The Suicide mission was good.
Mordin's scene was good.
Thane's scene was good (even if what lead up to it was stupid)
The ending... sucks.

ME was never about "War is hell." Other games and media have done it way better.

[Mcfly616]

v TricKy v wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
No sacrifice, no victory.....

There are already millions/billions of people dead at the end of ME3 including friends like Thane and Mordin and most populated worlds are seriously damaged. I dont get the point of killing Shepard or the Geth. The end is already bittersweet. There is no need to force it further

if you feel that way, then choose one of the two options where you only sacrifice yourself.....and not all the Geth


As I said, I knew that there was going to be a heavy price to pay.....

Hell, Garrus knew it was coming...."let 10 million die over there, so 20 million over here can live"


It didn't feel forced at all. If I wanted to entirely rid the galaxy of the Reapers, then I have to purge all technology derived from or associated with Reaper tech.....makes sense, and most notably, such an ending or ones similar, have been used since the inception of the sci fi genre

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Some sacrificies are fine and dandy, but when it's stuffed down my throat going "YOU WILL BE AN UNHAPPY PERSON BECAUSE WE TELL YOU TO!" it can go straight to hell.

Virmire, was good.
The Suicide mission was good.
Mordin's scene was good.
Thane's scene was good (even if what lead up to it was stupid)
The ending... sucks.

ME was never about "War is hell." Other games and media have done it way better.

If thats true then ME won't have characters being killed in a fictional war and most of those character deaths are sacrafices.  I doubt that other games and media have done it way better because most games and other mediums don't cover death being moral especially in a time of war.

[wantedman dan]

Of course it's not too much to ask, OP.

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
If thats true then ME won't have characters being killed in a fictional war and most of those character deaths are sacrafices.  I doubt that other games and media have done it way better because most games and other mediums don't cover death being moral especially in a time of war.

Thane's death wasn't a sacrifice. The person on Virmire wasn't a sacrifice.
And LOTS of other media have done it better. Numerous books and movies and a few games.

Spec Ops: The Line.
Apocalypse Now
All Quiet on the Western Front
Saving Private Ryan
etc etc

[wantedman dan]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Thane's death wasn't a sacrifice. The person on Virmire wasn't a sacrifice.
And LOTS of other media have done it better. Numerous books and movies and a few games.

Spec Ops: The Line.
Apocalypse Now
All Quiet on the Western Front
Saving Private Ryan
etc etc

You'll pull your hair out before he comprehends what you're saying.

[Taboo]

The Thin Red Line is better than Saving Private Ryan.

[v TricKy v]

Mcfly616 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
No sacrifice, no victory.....

There are already millions/billions of people dead at the end of ME3 including friends like Thane and Mordin and most populated worlds are seriously damaged. I dont get the point of killing Shepard or the Geth. The end is already bittersweet. There is no need to force it further

if you feel that way, then choose one of the two options where you only sacrifice yourself.....and not all the Geth


As I said, I knew that there was going to be a heavy price to pay.....

Hell, Garrus knew it was coming...."let 10 million die over there, so 20 million over here can live"


It didn't feel forced at all. If I wanted to entirely rid the galaxy of the Reapers, then I have to purge all technology derived from or associated with Reaper tech.....makes sense, and most notably, such an ending or ones similar, have been used since the inception of the sci fi genre

The thing that endings are nonsensical im my eyes.
I killed the Illusive not five minutes ago for wanting control but now its ok? NOPE
Synthesis? NOPE
Destroy? Im laying alone in rubble grasping air one time but an entire race dies for it NOPE

Also in response to the bolded part. Do you know that the whole Mass Effect technology is derived from Reaper tech? Purging it would mean throwing everyone back to the point before space travel was possible.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Blueprotoss wrote...
If thats true then ME won't have characters being killed in a fictional war and most of those character deaths are sacrafices.  I doubt that other games and media have done it way better because most games and other mediums don't cover death being moral especially in a time of war.

Spec ops the line does it fairly well, hell they even did something similar to IT for the game ending:

*spoilers*

"There are four endings to The Line. Walker can either allow the
Konrad projection to shoot him, rationalizing that it is an illusion,
shoot his own reflection, or shoot the projection with his pistol.
Allowing Konrad to pull the trigger or shooting Walker's reflection will
cause Walker in reality to commit suicide. His body is shown settled
against Konrad's, while Konrad's original broadcast plays as the camera
pans over the burning remnants of Dubai."

[Ticonderoga117]

wantedman dan wrote...

You'll pull your hair out before he comprehends what you're saying.

Wouldn't be the first time on the BSN.

[Ticonderoga117]

Taboo-XX wrote...

The Thin Red Line is better than Saving Private Ryan.

Haven't seen in though so I didn't know.
The point is, other media have done that paritcular theme much better and to death.

[incinerator950]

v TricKy v wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
No sacrifice, no victory.....

There are already millions/billions of people dead at the end of ME3 including friends like Thane and Mordin and most populated worlds are seriously damaged. I dont get the point of killing Shepard or the Geth. The end is already bittersweet. There is no need to force it further

Neither was the plot.  You don't have the conventional forces, you don't have moles, leaks, and traitors among the Reapers to help you.  You spent the game building a MacDeus device, and the way it has functioned since the Script Leaks is just about the same it is now.  You destroy all Synthetics, you Control the Reapers, or fuse everyone with BioSynthetic Nanonmachine stuff.  It might have changed slightly, but in the end, it was never pretty. 

If you want a pretty ending, don't play a Soap Opera.  Don't play anything remotely grimdark unless the genre is known for pulling off, like the Fable sequels.  Or do you want all your choices to matter, like the tissue paper you use or talking to a dog?  Go play TW2 then.  Don't, sit here and gripe about the victory you earned because you didnt't like the way you received it.

Modifié par incinerator950, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:51 .

[ld1449]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

You'll pull your hair out before he comprehends what you're saying.

Wouldn't be the first time on the BSN.

Talking to Blue and Maaze is like talking to a water wheel.

[Doofe2012]

I actually thought the EC made it feel like a victory, unlike the original endings.

[wantedman dan]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

You'll pull your hair out before he comprehends what you're saying.

Wouldn't be the first time on the BSN.

Yet youre using a straw-mann and ignoring all obvious facts. You must not like facts.