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[GodlessPaladin]

Eckswhyzed wrote...
I've never seen GP claim that he could do a better job than the Bioware team. He said it would be a fun exercise and not "hurr durr bioware is complete suckage listen up nubz"

  Yeah, but you know, god forbid they actually respond to what I say instead of putting words in my mouth.  That would just be too civil.

The only thing that i wonder is why have
you convinced yourself you can be the one on Erics shoes (your words not
mine). Can you please inform me what is it that qualifies you for that?

As Eck pointed out, those are not my words, and you are a liar and a charlatan.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:40 .

[Eckswhyzed]

its THAT guy wrote...

Good job at using common sense OP. This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming increasingly annoying as Bioware seems intent on putting nearly every gun in the game on par with the avenger. Personally I blame GodlessPaladin and the rest of his nerf brigade, but w/e, the whining nerfers can make their voice heard, I'm sure the opposite can be held true for the rest of us as well that DON'T want super soaker 2000's after every balance change.

I think you give us far too much credit

[Holy-Hamster]

You can argue about the pirahna in a different thread. There's already enough of those. But if you want my opinion, it does TOO much damage for the risk. Yes it's more inaccurate at medium ranges. However, it's not that hard to get close to a target such as an atlas / banshee etc. And for the damage it does, there is no trade-off compared to most other weapons.

It needs a nerf.

[mrwizeguy]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...
I've never seen GP claim that he could do a better job than the Bioware team. He said it would be a fun exercise and not "hurr durr bioware is complete suckage listen up nubz"

  Yeah, but you know, god forbid they actually respond to what I say instead of putting words in my mouth.  That would just be too civil.

Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

And lets not forget all the braging you went on about the TC cloac nerf and how bioware followed your suggestions , right?


edit & PS , STOP edditing your posts or put edit notes

Modifié par mrwizeguy, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:39 .

[ABjerre]

its THAT guy wrote...
... I'm sure the opposite can be held true for the rest of us as well that DON'T want super soaker 2000's after every balance change.

Dude, dont bash the Super Soaker 2000. I had one when i was 13, and it was an absolute beast. So much that the other kids wrote letters to Larami demanding they tuned it down, so they could feel better about themselves.

[Grunt_Platform]

its THAT guy wrote...

Good job at using common sense OP. This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming increasingly annoying as Bioware seems intent on putting nearly every gun in the game on par with the avenger. Personally I blame GodlessPaladin and the rest of his nerf brigade, but w/e, the whining nerfers can make their voice heard, I'm sure the opposite can be held true for the rest of us as well that DON'T want super soaker 2000's after every balance change.

Yes, the nerf brigade that had nothing to do with the only weapon nerfs we've ever seen. The nerf brigade that has nothing to do with the enemy buffs.

The nerf brigade that has proposed far more buffs than nerfs. The nerf brigade that has seen several weapon and power buff suggestions used by the dev team (perhaps coincidence, but they implemented several proposed buffs along the same lines as proposed).

Modifié par EvanKester, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:41 .

[darkpassenger2342]

i didnt change any arguments, 2 or more people said basketball was balanced in comparison. it isnt.

[GodlessPaladin]

mrwizeguy wrote...
Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

  No, I don't feel a need to respond to someone who uses loaded questions.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .

[xtorma]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

xtorma wrote...
then why isn't this, or most any other online game balanced?. Basketball , chess , checkers is a mirror

  Actually, chess and checkers aren't truly symmetrical.  Who gets the first turn is a meaningful difference, as any serious chess player knows.  But as I said before, his general principle is falsified by even a single counterexample.  Even one game that shows perfect balance proves that a game can be perfectly balanced.

But what you're doing here is using the word "balanced" when you mean "perfectly balanced."  Perfect balance is practically impossible for an asymmetrical game, but nobody is arguing that perfect balance will be achieved, and noting that it won't does nothing to oppose the idea that balance can or should be improved, which is what advocates of balance are actually saying.

The argument that is being made here is similar to saying that scientists should not seek knowledge because they will never know everything.  Well, sure, that's true, but that doesn't mean that there isn't value in improving one's knowledge.

Likewise, with balance, saying that perfect balance will never be achieved doesn't mean anything.  The argument is that balance can and should be improved, even if it can't be perfected.

Balance ...each side being equal. you need to come up with another word, because using balance implies that both sides are equal.

a state of equilibrium or equipoise; equal distribution of weight, amount, etc.

there will never be equality in this game ,so arguing that balance is achieveable is fallacious IE... misleading. Balance is equal , so there is no such thing as "perfect balance", something is either equal, or it is not.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

its THAT guy wrote...

Good job at using common sense OP. This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming increasingly annoying as Bioware seems intent on putting nearly every gun in the game on par with the avenger. Personally I blame GodlessPaladin and the rest of his nerf brigade, but w/e, the whining nerfers can make their voice heard, I'm sure the opposite can be held true for the rest of us as well that DON'T want super soaker 2000's after every balance change.

Only the Krysae was nerfed into the ground, as far as I know. The first nerf was justified, given that you had absolutely no reason to take another sniper rifle, but I'll admit that the 2nd nerf was imho too harsh and not needed.

So you can't say that 'This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming annoying', it happened once. And BioWare could always roll the changes to the Krysae back to what is was, pre-2nd nerf.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:46 .

[megabeast37215]

mrwizeguy wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...
I've never seen GP claim that he could do a better job than the Bioware team. He said it would be a fun exercise and not "hurr durr bioware is complete suckage listen up nubz"

  Yeah, but you know, god forbid they actually respond to what I say instead of putting words in my mouth.  That would just be too civil.

Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

And lets not forget all the braging you went on about the TC cloac nerf and how bioware followed your suggestions , right?


edit & PS , STOP edditing your posts or put edit notes

Wow... I better go get some popcorn.

FWIW... I don't see GP offer that many balance changes in the Balance Discussion. He (from my observation) mostly lets others make suggestions, then evaluates them and provides supporting data... to which he will either agree or disagree with their suggestion.

Attacking him is only going to get you owned in a discussion/argument, and the only person who will end up looking bad is you.

[Eckswhyzed]

mrwizeguy wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...
I've never seen GP claim that he could do a better job than the Bioware team. He said it would be a fun exercise and not "hurr durr bioware is complete suckage listen up nubz"

  Yeah, but you know, god forbid they actually respond to what I say instead of putting words in my mouth.  That would just be too civil.

Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

And lets not forget all the braging you went on about the TC cloac nerf and how bioware followed your suggestions , right?


edit & PS , STOP edditing your posts or put edit notes

WTFLOLBBQ

This is a forum on the extranet, not some kind of street brawl in one of the seedier areas of the Wards.

[mrwizeguy]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...
Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

  No, I don't feel a need to respond to someone who uses leading questions... such as the sentence "Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?"

Whats up did i hurt you?

Or did i start to expose what you really on ?

You have 2 goals , 1 feel good about yourself because of the publicity you get.

2 dream that someday you going to recieve an e-mail from bioware asking you to work for them.

If you like the publicity so much , be prepared to get a negative one to.

EDIT The fact that you edit your posts over and over even though i pointed out to you to make edit notes shows a lot.

Modifié par mrwizeguy, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .

[ABjerre]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

Good job at using common sense OP. This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming increasingly annoying as Bioware seems intent on putting nearly every gun in the game on par with the avenger. Personally I blame GodlessPaladin and the rest of his nerf brigade, but w/e, the whining nerfers can make their voice heard, I'm sure the opposite can be held true for the rest of us as well that DON'T want super soaker 2000's after every balance change.

I think you give us far too much credit

GodlessPaladin wrote...
My suggestion got implemented exactly!

Source: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/12648909
Look under Javelin, Saber and Wraith. Noone is giving you any credit beyond what you guys take credit for.

Being able to guess the changes, which if you look at the sticky thread dedicated to them, are quite standardized, is not an art, nor does it mean that your suggestions were implemented.

It merely means that you were able to guess a standardised change on an item that may or may not have needed it, and at some point, any point, in time may or may not have gotten it.

[darkpassenger2342]

LETS GET READY TO.... debate balance!

[megabeast37215]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

LETS GET READY TO.... debate balance!

Got any Pony pictures? A good ole' fashioned BSN argument just isn't right without Pony and Duck pictures.

[its THAT guy]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

Good job at using common sense OP. This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming increasingly annoying as Bioware seems intent on putting nearly every gun in the game on par with the avenger. Personally I blame GodlessPaladin and the rest of his nerf brigade, but w/e, the whining nerfers can make their voice heard, I'm sure the opposite can be held true for the rest of us as well that DON'T want super soaker 2000's after every balance change.

Only the Krysae was nerfed into the ground, as far as I know. The first nerf was justified, given that you had absolutely no reason to take another sniper rifle, but I'll admit that the 2nd nerf was imho too harsh and not needed.

So you can't say that 'This nerfing to the ground of so many guns in this game is becoming annoying', it happened once. And BioWare could always roll the changes to the Krysae back to what is was, pre-2nd nerf.

You're forgetting what led to the Krysae becoming the supposed "OP only viable sniper rifle on gold/platinum diffuclty" in the first place. It wasn't that it did so much damage, it was that all the other snipers had been indirectly nerfed at one point or another to make them all together irrelevant as opposed to the Kyrsae on harder difficulties. Remember the tatical cloak nerf? The removal of headshots from bosses? Coupled together, these two changes drastically reduced the effectiveness of all other sniper rifles on harder difficulties greatly which, along with the already annoying shieldgate, left the Krysae as the only REALLY viable sniper rifle to use on these difficulties. Which, rememeber, was because of direct and indirect nerfs caused BY Bioware.

[GodlessPaladin]

mrwizeguy wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...
Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

  No, I don't feel a need to respond to someone who uses loaded questions... such as the sentence "Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?"

Whats up did i hurt you?

Or did i start to expose what you really on ?

  See, those are loaded questions right there.

If you don't know what the problem with a loaded question is, that's on you, not me.  I edited to provide a helpful link for you to explain it.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:52 .

[Metal Vile]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i didnt change any arguments, 2 or more people said basketball was balanced in comparison. it isnt.

Um, yeah, it is.  

The Premise of the game, and the way the rules are written are designed to give both teams identical, equal footing at the start.

The RULES are competely unrelated to the INDIVIDUAL SKILL of any given player or group of players.  

Thus, Basketball, AS A GAME, is balanced.  An individual GAME OF BASKETBALL, against a team containing Kobe Bryant, Shaq, or LeBron James, would NOT be balanced.  That is because of direct player skills, NOT the fault of the game.

Now, if you wanted to make an argument that some of the nerf cries are the results of PLAYER SKILL IMBALANCE, such as the nerf suggesting having no skill (Wah, someone else scored higher than me, nerf) or being too skilled (I can beat Gold in 15 min solo with this gun, nerf it), THAT is a not entirely unreasonable aregument to make.

But that's not the one being made here. 

[Cellar_Cat]

xtorma wrote...

Balance ...each side being equal. you need to come up with another word, because using balance implies that both sides are equal.

a state of equilibrium or equipoise; equal distribution of weight, amount, etc.

there will never be equality in this game ,so arguing that balance is achieveable is fallacious IE... misleading. Balance is equal , so there is no such thing as "perfect balance", something is either equal, or it is not.

If the word were used in such a black & white manner as that, nothing would ever be balanced anywhere.

[bob2.0]

mrwizeguy wrote...

Whats up did i hurt you?

Or did i start to expose what you really on ?

You have 2 goals , 1 feel good about yourself because of the publicity you get.

2 dream that someday you going to recieve an e-mail from bioware asking you to work for them.

If you like the publicity so much , be prepared to get a negative one to.

Better watch yourselves, fellas. We got a GRADE A BADASS OVER HERE.

[ABjerre]

mrwizeguy wrote...
2 dream that someday you going to recieve an e-mail from bioware asking you to work for them.

I am pretty sure that if someone wanted to work for a company, being an active forumite instead of sending them an application would be kind of counter productive.

If i was in HR the first question i would ask would be: "Why did you chose to hide begind a forum avatar instead of applying for a job where you have to stand by your desicions, but as a reward actually get to affect the things you apparently feel so passionate about?"

Sorry if i just destroyed someones dream.

[GodlessPaladin]

Cellar_Cat wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Balance ...each side being equal. you need to come up with another word, because using balance implies that both sides are equal.

a state of equilibrium or equipoise; equal distribution of weight, amount, etc.

there will never be equality in this game ,so arguing that balance is achieveable is fallacious IE... misleading. Balance is equal , so there is no such thing as "perfect balance", something is either equal, or it is not.

If the word were used in such a black & white manner as that, nothing would ever be balanced anywhere.

He's just being deliberately obtuse.

[xtorma]

mrwizeguy wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...
Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

  No, I don't feel a need to respond to someone who uses leading questions... such as the sentence "Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?"

Whats up did i hurt you?

Or did i start to expose what you really on ?

You have 2 goals , 1 feel good about yourself because of the publicity you get.

2 dream that someday you going to recieve an e-mail from bioware asking you to work for them.

If you like the publicity so much , be prepared to get a negative one to.

EDIT The fact that you edit your posts over and over even though i pointes out to you to make edit notes shows a lot.

You can debate without being a jerk.

[mrwizeguy]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

mrwizeguy wrote...
Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?

You might actually want to respond to my direct questions.

  No, I don't feel a need to respond to someone who uses loaded questions... such as the sentence "Yea u got a buddy to support you know, whats up cant u handle this on your own?"

Whats up did i hurt you?

Or did i start to expose what you really on ?

  See, those are loaded questions right there.

If you don't know what the problem with a loaded question is, that's on you, not me.  I edited to provide a helpful link for you to explain it.

Start answearing to my whole post will ya , you are avoiding the juicy parts ha

I did not make any loaded q's , i provided your complete quote unless you have eddited it on your other post as well already.