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[AntiChri5]

wanderon wrote...

i haven't found any in game DLC stuff to be immersion breaking or out of line - if it helps to sell more DLC which in turn means a bigger budget for the following rounds of DLC I'm all for it - as long as the company making the games is churning out profits we can look forward to more great gaming down the road.

On the other hand if the DLC doesn't work we will likely go back to getting one decent CRPG every 3-4 years (if that) with an expansion or two and those budgets will get squeezed even more and instead of a 60-100 hour game we will end up paying even higher prices for less game in the future.

I have bought all the content available for BG, NWN, NWN2, and DA:O and will continue to do so as long as they keep making these quality games and supporting the DLC for DA:O is just another way to support the creation of this and future CRPGs.

Everything you said is true but advertising DLC in the original game (levi dryden) just seems like a "Haha you don't have the full game haha" to me.

[screwoffreg]

Just hope Bioware makes money off this so we can have a sequel. EA is not shy about murdering good projects if they don't show cash flow. RIP Origin and Bullfrog!!!!

[wanderon]

AntiChri5 wrote...

wanderon wrote...

i haven't found any in game DLC stuff to be immersion breaking or out of line - if it helps to sell more DLC which in turn means a bigger budget for the following rounds of DLC I'm all for it - as long as the company making the games is churning out profits we can look forward to more great gaming down the road.

On the other hand if the DLC doesn't work we will likely go back to getting one decent CRPG every 3-4 years (if that) with an expansion or two and those budgets will get squeezed even more and instead of a 60-100 hour game we will end up paying even higher prices for less game in the future.

I have bought all the content available for BG, NWN, NWN2, and DA:O and will continue to do so as long as they keep making these quality games and supporting the DLC for DA:O is just another way to support the creation of this and future CRPGs.

Everything you said is true but advertising DLC in the original game (levi dryden) just seems like a "Haha you don't have the full game haha" to me.

Yeah a lot of people seem to be getting hung up on the whole - why didn't I get this when I bought the game in the first place or did they cut this stuff out just to sell it to me later.

You might try looking at it from another perspective - like you just bought a new car and hanging from the mirror was a business card for a company that specializes in fuzzy dice and other things that hang from mirrors.

[AntiChri5]

wanderon wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

wanderon wrote...

i haven't found any in game DLC stuff to be immersion breaking or out of line - if it helps to sell more DLC which in turn means a bigger budget for the following rounds of DLC I'm all for it - as long as the company making the games is churning out profits we can look forward to more great gaming down the road.

On the other hand if the DLC doesn't work we will likely go back to getting one decent CRPG every 3-4 years (if that) with an expansion or two and those budgets will get squeezed even more and instead of a 60-100 hour game we will end up paying even higher prices for less game in the future.

I have bought all the content available for BG, NWN, NWN2, and DA:O and will continue to do so as long as they keep making these quality games and supporting the DLC for DA:O is just another way to support the creation of this and future CRPGs.

Everything you said is true but advertising DLC in the original game (levi dryden) just seems like a "Haha you don't have the full game haha" to me.

Yeah a lot of people seem to be getting hung up on the whole - why didn't I get this when I bought the game in the first place or did they cut this stuff out just to sell it to me later.

You might try looking at it from another perspective - like you just bought a new car and hanging from the mirror was a business card for a company that specializes in fuzzy dice and other things that hang from mirrors.

I see where your coming from but i think that if you havent paid for it it shouldnt be mentioned, since it is clear you want to ignore it why not make it not exist?

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

I have all the DLC so I don't have advertisement in camp. The launch screen advertisement is a minor annoyance, but the launch screen is only up for a very brief time. Really, I think tht peple who are going to buy the DLC will do so with or without the advertisement.. And in a single player game, there should be the option of turning the advertisement off.

[Rendar666]

Garrigan wrote...

I think this game is okay; it's no BG or BG2, but okay.  What really caught me off guard however is the constant push to buy more of it.  For instance, the quests that appear normal, until you try them and realize you have to buy them sucked enough, but now those quests are being advertised when I load the game.  I mean every time I load the game EA is using my computer to adverstise more "premium content".  No thanks. 

I haven't finished the game yet, but I will.  Probably won't be buying another Bioware game though, which is sad to say since I enjoyed the Baldur's Gate series so much (and for so many replays).

That's it.  Cheers and happy holidays!

I... Think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.... Did he say he will NOT be buying another Bioware game???? Blasphemy... ******* blasphemy. Where are the torches, pitch forks and old school WWII rifles?

Noob wrote...

I think this game is okay; I also happen to be a noob... a really bad one so that in fact renders my former statement void.... and DA:O is better than the old Baldur's gate games...

Modifié par Rendar666, 20 décembre 2009 - 08:04 .

[DragonRageGT]

Torias wrote...

I believe they are doing this in order to make the DLC creation commercially viable.
DLC doesn't have advertising campaigns that go with it, such as banner adverts, preview and reviews, and it definitely doesn't have shelf space in stores.
They also have a limited audience (limited to those people who have bought the game and are still playing it when the DLC is released).
They have costs, both up-front (the creation of the infrastructure in the game to support DLC, which they still haven't recouped the costs of yet), incremental (the cost of creating each new bit of DLC) and opportunity (using talented staff to create DLC instead of new games).
There are also pressures to make the DLC cheap, and long...
Combine all those different factors, and you can see why they are doing everything possible (and inventing new things) to get the word out about the DLC they have made, to increase the chance of people considering whether to buy it or not.

Oh...now I know what the "updating news" thing is all about! Only today I got the banner. You made good points Torias but, do they really need to ad it to ppl that already got it? WK was included in my CE!

NWN launcher would at least acknowledge what xpacks you have already installed... lol

[Edelwolf]

My game has got just one extra camp follower with an exclamation mark and that I don't want to right-click on.



Where's the other advertisements?

[Sunder_2]

Inarai wrote...

arntson wrote...

tempAE0F wrote...

Imagine that, a for-profit trying to get people to buy their product.

Sheltered babies whining about nothing.

ok miss i-think-im-better-than-everyone-else ok so if i buy your product your free to still use that product to advertise your other products oh well i do think its kinda bs although i will still buy bioware games until ea starts trying to control them(i pray they dont

You mean like my cable company advertises on TV?  Or sends be emails on the account I have through them to advertise?  Or how my cellphone company sends me text messages to advertise their services?  I could go on.

Get this through your head:  As long as it can be done in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of the product for most consumers, companies will use an oppurtunity to advertise their product.  That is just the way it is.  And frankly, if you're going to whine about that, then seeing you go off on someone else for having a snotty attitude is the very zenith of mirth.

Really no correlation here.  A much better comparison would be more like buying a movie that has gone to  DVD and then 40 minutes into the movie there is an option that pops for additional scenes that you may buy.   While most movies already have additional/optonal scenes available for purchase nowadays- what they don't do is ruin my enjoyment of the movie by placing the option for these features in the middle of the movie that I am trying to enjoy.

See the difference?

[Inarai]

Sunder_2 wrote...

Inarai wrote...

arntson wrote...

tempAE0F wrote...

Imagine that, a for-profit trying to get people to buy their product.

Sheltered babies whining about nothing.

ok miss i-think-im-better-than-everyone-else ok so if i buy your product your free to still use that product to advertise your other products oh well i do think its kinda bs although i will still buy bioware games until ea starts trying to control them(i pray they dont

You mean like my cable company advertises on TV?  Or sends be emails on the account I have through them to advertise?  Or how my cellphone company sends me text messages to advertise their services?  I could go on.

Get this through your head:  As long as it can be done in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of the product for most consumers, companies will use an oppurtunity to advertise their product.  That is just the way it is.  And frankly, if you're going to whine about that, then seeing you go off on someone else for having a snotty attitude is the very zenith of mirth.

Really no correlation here.  A much better comparison would be more like buying a movie that has gone to  DVD and then 40 minutes into the movie there is an option that pops for additional scenes that you may buy.   While most movies already have additional/optonal scenes available for purchase nowadays- what they don't do is ruin my enjoyment of the movie by placing the option for these features in the middle of the movie that I am trying to enjoy.

See the difference?

Yes - your example involves actually interrupting the flow of entertainment.  Which makes it invalid, because you don't suddenly have, say, a forced conversation in the game where the content is advertised.  It's an aside youdon't have to do anything with.  At all.

[Sunder_2]

Inarai wrote...

Sunder_2 wrote...

Inarai wrote...

arntson wrote...

tempAE0F wrote...

Imagine that, a for-profit trying to get people to buy their product.

Sheltered babies whining about nothing.

ok miss i-think-im-better-than-everyone-else ok so if i buy your product your free to still use that product to advertise your other products oh well i do think its kinda bs although i will still buy bioware games until ea starts trying to control them(i pray they dont

You mean like my cable company advertises on TV?  Or sends be emails on the account I have through them to advertise?  Or how my cellphone company sends me text messages to advertise their services?  I could go on.

Get this through your head:  As long as it can be done in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of the product for most consumers, companies will use an oppurtunity to advertise their product.  That is just the way it is.  And frankly, if you're going to whine about that, then seeing you go off on someone else for having a snotty attitude is the very zenith of mirth.

Really no correlation here.  A much better comparison would be more like buying a movie that has gone to  DVD and then 40 minutes into the movie there is an option that pops for additional scenes that you may buy.   While most movies already have additional/optonal scenes available for purchase nowadays- what they don't do is ruin my enjoyment of the movie by placing the option for these features in the middle of the movie that I am trying to enjoy.

See the difference?

Yes - your example involves actually interrupting the flow of entertainment.  Which makes it invalid, because you don't suddenly have, say, a forced conversation in the game where the content is advertised.  It's an aside youdon't have to do anything with.  At all.

Seriously?  That guy w/ the EXPLANATION POINT above his head in the middle of your PARTY CAMP where a GREAT AMOUNT of character interaction takes place is out the way?  Where there are actual in game charcarters that I need to speak to?  Really. Really?  Wow.   Your response is too absurd to attempt to argue in any common sense type manner..........just, wow.

[Lominia]

gamespot are doing a best of 2009 series of polls & 1 of the categories is  Most Despicable Use of In-Game Advertising.

da:o is in there & got my vote

here's the site if interested

uk.gamespot.com/best-of/dubious-honors/index.html

not the kind of award you'd boast about if you won

maybe if they did win then it might go towards getting the message across that a lot of players think the idea is a bag of arse

[arntson]

Inarai wrote...

Sunder_2 wrote...

Inarai wrote...

arntson wrote...

tempAE0F wrote...

Imagine that, a for-profit trying to get people to buy their product.

Sheltered babies whining about nothing.

ok miss i-think-im-better-than-everyone-else ok so if i buy your product your free to still use that product to advertise your other products oh well i do think its kinda bs although i will still buy bioware games until ea starts trying to control them(i pray they dont

You mean like my cable company advertises on TV?  Or sends be emails on the account I have through them to advertise?  Or how my cellphone company sends me text messages to advertise their services?  I could go on.

Get this through your head:  As long as it can be done in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of the product for most consumers, companies will use an oppurtunity to advertise their product.  That is just the way it is.  And frankly, if you're going to whine about that, then seeing you go off on someone else for having a snotty attitude is the very zenith of mirth.

Really no correlation here.  A much better comparison would be more like buying a movie that has gone to  DVD and then 40 minutes into the movie there is an option that pops for additional scenes that you may buy.   While most movies already have additional/optonal scenes available for purchase nowadays- what they don't do is ruin my enjoyment of the movie by placing the option for these features in the middle of the movie that I am trying to enjoy.

See the difference?

Yes - your example involves actually interrupting the flow of entertainment.  Which makes it invalid, because you don't suddenly have, say, a forced conversation in the game where the content is advertised.  It's an aside youdon't have to do anything with.  At all.

it pretty much is forced i mean you see a guy standing theyre and you go hey wtf are you doing here and he goes would you like to help me blah blah blah and you say cool sounds fun and he goes ok thatll be (insert amount here) and you go oh dlc and that makes you wanna snap his neck in half and you cant so that makes the game less fun for a moment

[Sunder_2]

Legacy_QuEsT wrote...

make a mod that deletes the advertiseing and stop complaining. It amazes me how a customizable game like DAO has people complaining about things like advertisements or people they don't want in their party camp

so many things wrong w/ this assinine point of view.....where to begin?

1.  Console versions don't have this option.

2.  I bought the game to play- not modify in order to play.

3.  I don't know the 1st thing about modding and dont have the time nor the inclination to learn. 

4.  Read my earlier posts or perhaps a dictionary and find out what a "forum" is used for.............

I and others don't need to be called "whiners" because we are exercising the same rights you and everyone else has to voice our displeasure with an aspect of the game. 

[arntson]

Inarai wrote...

arntson wrote...

tempAE0F wrote...

Imagine that, a for-profit trying to get people to buy their product.

Sheltered babies whining about nothing.

ok miss i-think-im-better-than-everyone-else ok so if i buy your product your free to still use that product to advertise your other products oh well i do think its kinda bs although i will still buy bioware games until ea starts trying to control them(i pray they dont

You mean like my cable company advertises on TV?  Or sends be emails on the account I have through them to advertise?  Or how my cellphone company sends me text messages to advertise their services?  I could go on.

Get this through your head:  As long as it can be done in a way that doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of the product for most consumers, companies will use an oppurtunity to advertise their product.  That is just the way it is.  And frankly, if you're going to whine about that, then seeing you go off on someone else for having a snotty attitude is the very zenith of mirth.

those are services not products

[VanDraegon]

@OP-

So, a small ad splashed on the bottom of the launcher and a guy that stands in your camp, unobtrusively, until you decide to interact with him, if at all, is relentless advertising?

It is hardly news that a for profit game development company would want to sell more if its product. To think otherwise is naive. You have two options. Ignore it or quit playing the game.

AntiChri5 wrote...
I see where your coming from but i think
that if you havent paid for it it shouldnt be mentioned, since it is
clear you want to ignore it why not make it not exist?

Dont assume everyone wants to ignore it. Only a minority of players come to a games website. Many probably are not even aware of the extra content.  

Modifié par VanDraegon, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:40 .

[badkenbad]

The thing that bugs me most about it is that it's just crass. They could have done so much better... for example, inserting tantalizing hints about Soldier's Peak and the Dryden rebellion in the history articles in the Codex. They could have woven it into the rest of the story and made it interesting to make people more curious. Instead they just plopped some guy into a highly traveled area.

I guess the point of advertising is to lower the barrier to buying something. Anything less than an obvious interaction point would have meant less people would get the message, making it less effective.

The thing you have to remember is that advertising does not have to be subtle to be effective. In fact some of the most effective advertising is very much in your face and annoying--crawls on your TV screen, junk mail, junk e-mail, multi-page magazine ads that look like articles... all of these are annoying in one way or another, but they are also effective. That's the only measure that really matters to a marketing person. You can't measure how many people are turned off by an ad, but you can definitely measure how many people are encouraged to buy from an ad.

No matter how much you complain, cost-effective advertising is not going away. If anything, advertisers are becoming more creative about finding more ways to get your attention. If anything, complaining only encourages more of the same, becuase the advertiser knows they have found something that you are definitely paying attention to.

Modifié par badkenbad, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:49 .

[AntiChri5]

VanDraegon wrote...

@OP-

So, a small ad splashed on the bottom of the launcher and a guy that stands in your camp, unobtrusively, until you decide to interact with him, if at all, is relentless advertising?

It is hardly news that a for profit game development company would want to sell more if its product. To think otherwise is naive. You have two options. Ignore it or quit playing the game.

AntiChri5 wrote...
I see where your coming from but i think
that if you havent paid for it it shouldnt be mentioned, since it is
clear you want to ignore it why not make it not exist?

Dont assume everyone wants to ignore it. Only a minority of players come to a games website. Many probably are not even aware of the extra content.  

Ive never played a game where i was unaware of the DLC and mods, which made Oblivion and Morrowind very painfull for me because the internet is a new addition to my life, so i was very aware that i was missing out. That is what this seems like to me. A very deliberate attempt to make those who don't have it feel that they are missing out.

[Oliver Sudden]

AntiChri5 wrote...

...A very deliberate attempt to make those who don't have it feel that they are missing out.

Not that I disagree with you, but this is the very nature of advertising: creating demand. In this case, by making those without the DLC feel they're missing something.

I don't personally like it, but I can't say it's wrong.

[FlintlockJazz]

If they had gone with the advertisement at the bottom of the launcher at game launch and nothing else, then it would have ironically been fine for me, though I would have prefered it as a flashing icon for when new dlc was available (and only flashes the first time it becomes available, I would actually check it out as well). The fact that they included an ingame salesman that you do not know is an ingame salesman until either you talk to him or find out online then yes it is downright despicable. Remove the salesmen from ingame otherwise I reckon we'll soon be getting the following:



*Download latest patch*

*Starts DA:O*

"A crazed madman appears out of nowhere and kills main character*

*Reloads*

*A crazed madman appears out of nowhere and kills main characer*

*Loads a different save*

*A crazed madman appears out of nowhere and kills main characer*

*Message pops up...*

"Hey, being killed by crazed madman? Then you need Madman Slayer! Buy it today! Only £200!"

*Quits game*

*Uninstalls*

[PurplePaladin]

I hate the guy in my camp. It's the ONLY place in the game where I tried to relax and really wanted to talk to all my fellow companions that I had met and aquired durring my travels. But every time I look around there is ONE person who I don't know, don't want to know, and he just came into my camp univited. He stands there, like a used car salesman, with a huge neon sign over his head, and it totally and completely destroys immersion in the game every time I see him.

I want to make it clear, I read where one Dev wrote "If you don't like it, don't buy it". Well, for the Dev that wrote that, please tell your "higher ups" that the main reason I am not, nor ever will buy any DLC for this game is BECAUSE of the way the DLC was handled.  If I buy it, I'm saying "Please, put in more annoying, mood-breaking, door-to-door salesmanish like advertising in my game please". No, never.

Make some DLC that removes all DLC advertising in this game, and THEN I would buy some DLC.

Modifié par PurplePaladin, 20 décembre 2009 - 09:25 .

[ZeroMystic]

Ok if I cannot post up my gripes about this game without everyone coming in and saying deal with it.



Then neither is the clowns who are saying they don't like the way the DLC is being advertised in the game responding in this topic either.



So I'm going to say to everyone who is pissing and moaning about this the same way they ****** and moan about me posting one of my dislikes.



Deal with it, it's how it is made, and if you don't like it don't play it.

[F-C]

i pretty much dislike every aspect of how they have handled dlc in this game, so yeah.



advertising in the game world breaks immersion, buying points is stupid, getting free items just magically popping into your inventory is lame, and paying 10$ for an hour of gameplay is overpriced.



the base box game is pretty amazing compared to most games these days, but the dlc looks like it was handled by a korean item shop company.