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[Xilizhra]

To be frank, it seems to me that a lot of the novels seem to bring up the events of DAO and 2, with the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke, far less than they should considering their scale. Obviously they can't really choose a "canon" version of either one, but I'm of the thought that because of this, each novel that would bring them up (especially Asunder) is not a complete representation of events that happened within them, but a shortened version that allows the reader to insert their own choices into events. It does not accurately represent either protagonist and their actions being so bizarrely forgotten in the "real" Thedas.

[LobselVith8]

You mean for Asunder? Yeah, I can see how a mage protagonist who became a national hero to an entire kingdom, and asked for his people to be given their freedom, would seem to be ignored in a novelization about the mage rebellion. Then again, the ramifications of the protagonist have been ignored in Awakening and Witch Hunt because the developers refused to put the tiniest effort into making the boon feel as though it mattered.

As for the lack of Hawke being mentioned, I believe Gaider said that was intentional. I suppose it would be the dichotomy between Hawke being a Viscount if he helped the templars murder the Circle of Kirkwall, or if Hawke became a mage revolutionary as an apostate (like Anders had been urging him to) if he protected the men, women, and children from getting killed. The lack of Hawke being mentioned, and the way Asunder was written, makes it feel as though Dragon Age II was a pointless endeavor.

[Xilizhra]

I made this thread largely to reassure myself before buying Asunder that my actions were not, in fact, pointless; that there simply wasn't room to slide them into a novel. Unfortunate but nothing truly destructive.

[LobselVith8]

Yeah, I know The Stolen Throne and The Calling are prequels to Origins, and focus on Maric and Loghain to varying degrees, but I don't understand why Asunder basically had a mage rebellion transpire that seemed almost entirely independent of the annulment that transpired at the Circle of Kirkwall. For all of Varric's dialogue suggesting otherwise, it seemed like the events in Asunder could have happened if Hawke never existed. Which makes it all the more confounding that Cassandra would bother searching for Hawke when she knows the Champion was irrelevant to the mage rebellion that took place.

[Xilizhra]

Asunder had to be vague, because Hawke's perception would either be one way or the complete opposite. I'll need to read it beforehand, but for that reason I wouldn't consider it an accurate recounting of everyone's perceptions, as I consider the games to be a "higher" canon than the novels.

[LobselVith8]

It's hard for Dragon Age II to be "higher canon" when it's simply Varric recounting events from his memory, and there's the issue of his mistakes, the ludicrous fight moves, the moments that happen outside of his knowledge, and how asinine the story comes across because many of the characters are completely ridiculous and absurd.

Regardless of the reasons for why Asunder is vague about those subjects, it doesn't change how irrelevant the events in Dragon Age II come across as a result of why the mage rebellion transpires in Asunder. Dragon Age II may as well have never happened, since it doesn't even account for the inception behind the mage rebellion and templar defection.

[Gervaise]

Actually it never made sense to me that the events of Kirkwall could have caused a Thedas wide revolution in the Circles. Circles had been annulled before without the system going into meltdown. Hawke had enormous status within the city but likely little impact beyond there once the excitment over defeating the Qunari had died down. Plus Elthina was a very popular Grand Cleric throughout the Free Marches, so blowing her up would have hardened public sympathies against mages. There was also the problem over number of mage survivors from the Gallows and how far they would get bearing in mind that there still seemed a large number of templar survivors whichever choice you made.

So the story in Asunder makes the whole set up more credible. The events in Kirkwall led to hightened tension in the Circles because the templars were reacting against events in Kirkwall and in the following gathering of First Enchanters when Fiona first called for a vote on independence, which was defeated on that occasion by Wynne. Hawke and companions stirred things up but true catalyst for the destruction of the Circles lay elsewhere.

When Cassandra questions Varric, they both know the Circles have gone but Varric may genuinely believe that Hawke's actions had more significance than they did. Whilst Cassandra is back tracking to see if there was a major player in the rebellion outside the Circles, in which case they might be worth using to mediate. This is the basis around which Varric tells his tale.

Strangely enough Hawke's story has much more significance in terms of the downloads. Since you end up with the same result at the end of each, regardless of choices within the game, it is highly likely that Hawke will be mentioned in any subsequent stories/games that follow up on the events in Legacy and MoA.

[WhiteKnyght]

Xilizhra wrote...

To be frank, it seems to me that a lot of the novels seem to bring up the events of DAO and 2, with the Hero of Ferelden and Hawke, far less than they should considering their scale. Obviously they can't really choose a "canon" version of either one, but I'm of the thought that because of this, each novel that would bring them up (especially Asunder) is not a complete representation of events that happened within them, but a shortened version that allows the reader to insert their own choices into events. It does not accurately represent either protagonist and their actions being so bizarrely forgotten in the "real" Thedas.

The Stolen Throne happened before the Wardens and Hawke were even born. The Calling happened when they were still children.

I believe the lack of mentions about Hawke are due to not stepping on the decisions you make in the games. IIRC, DG said as much. Best way to do it in Asunder was to avoid mentioning Hawke at all. I believe they did the same with with Shepard in the Mass Effect novels.

Also if everybody knew about Hawke and exactly what happened at the Gallows, there would have been no need for Cassandra to interrogate Varric, which happens TWO YEARS after Asunder ends.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 31 juillet 2012 - 10:49 .

[JasonPogo]

Well in Asunder it works that the mages of another area would not really know muc about Hawke and the events in Kirkwall. The only Place they would get news is from the Templars and regardless of what side Hawke took in your game the fact that the mages revolted in Kirkwall would be something the Templars mept a lid on and the mages in other ceres would only hear rumors.

Ps sorry for poor spelling on phone in car lol

[Xilizhra]

Actually, I now have a better hypothesis: the mages only used Hawke's name as a rallying cry after the war began, after the events of Asunder.