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[Xx_Belzak_xX]

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

[Bill Casey]

I could be best friends forever with STEEEEEVE! and still be hetero as hell...
It was also really hard to accidentally end up in a homosexual relationship, unless you really weren't paying attention at all...

I could also hit on Traynor as Manshep and she let me down easy...
Therefore, no issues at all...

They were both good characters...
The banter between James and STEEEEEVE! is particularly good...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:51 .

[incinerator950]

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

[F4H bandicoot]

incinerator950 wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

Same sex relationships break Immersion now do they??

[incinerator950]

Nyoka wrote...

Nrieh wrote...

You said they are different characters because after all one quotes Tennyson and the other doesn't.
According to that, if both are romanceable by both sexes AND one quotes Tennyson while the other doesn't, the characters are still different, despite being romanceable by both sexes.

But if BW followed your way thay both would have SAME change.

So? Since one quotes Tennyson and the other doesn't, they are different characters. Since they still would be different characters, you should be happy, according to yourself.

Once again - making both romanceable doesn't turn them into the same character.

Allow me to reiterate: they would be different characters despite being both romanceable.

That means that they still would be different.

Remember: still different.

According to you.

(skipping the pettiness if you don't mind )

They wouldn't be any closer to the same character then they already are a copypaste of the others intended position.  However, it is still immersion breaking to change either character.  The point of character development is an evolution of the personality of said character.  Both of which evolved to be romance characters for a Soap Drama, with Ashley becoming the new Zaeed and Kaidan becoming a death tank. 

Personally, I like Kaidan because he's effective, but as a character, both Kaidan and Ashley are the same place holder for the other.  Any changes made were for fanpandering or creating another magnet to grapple more people.  

Like much of the Illusion of Choice in ME, it was almost or was wasted potential. 

[incinerator950]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

Same sex relationships break Immersion now do they??

[FaWa]

incinerator950 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

Same sex relationships break Immersion now do they??

Posting a picture doesn't make you right...
There were no reason for SS relationships not to be in ME3. I feel like going back to the "I think BioWare is sexually harrasing me" thread because we might be heading there right now.

[F4H bandicoot]

incinerator950 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

Same sex relationships break Immersion now do they??

snip

I'm actually seriously confused by what you mean by that, if you could actually explain what you mean that'd be lovely...

[FKA_Servo]

incinerator950 wrote...

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

I think we'd all like to hear one of these folks clarify *why* they feel it "breaks immersion" beyond "well, I don't like it."

Adding m/m romance actually makes the games more consistent, since same-sex relationships were a thing in the games from the very beginning.

[krukow]

I do think there needs to be a seperation between people who didn't want S/S romances, and people who just didn't want established characters to be bi all of a sudden. The latter is far more understandable than the former, even if you disagree with the latter.

[Bill Casey]

Kaidan Alenko is bisexual?
I haven't been shocked by a revelation this huge since Lance Bass came out of the closet...
This is my shocked face...
Look how shocked I am...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:06 .

[incinerator950]

TommyServo wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

I think we'd all like to hear one of these folks clarify *why* they feel it "breaks immersion" beyond "well, I don't like it."

Adding m/m romance actually makes the games more consistent, since same-sex relationships were a thing in the games from the very beginning.

By the choice of edit cut, or a female and a monogender female Alien that can practically reproduce with just about every sapient species?  Which is more of the "Hey look guys, hot alien girl on Human Girl! action!"

[4stringwizard]

Wait, there's s/s romance in ME3? I didn't notice. I must have missed it when Steve said about 500 times that he had a husband.

In other words: it was a little ham-fisted. Other than that, indifferent.

[Baronesa]

Seriously...

Don't like homosexual relationships?

DO NOT HAVE THEM!!!

I sure as hell don't have any Hetero relationship, but I'm not ****ing around because THERE IS AN OPTION to have them. If you want to live in a secluded world and not being exposed to us the evil gays and our stylish leather agendas, then don't acquire products that depict us... or, better yet... grow the F up and join the 21 Century already.

All I see is the complain of people who are too bigoted to even consider that there are other realities than their own.

[JesseLee202]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Only idiots and trolls are against same sex relationships.
So whilst many people are fine and happy that bioware implmented them, there will always be a small vocal minority against them

Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

[ShepnTali]

Actually, I think there were more people salivating over pouncing on s/s complainers and displaying their noble superiority than actual s/s gripes. There was, and is no s\\s backlash of note that is relevant.

[FKA_Servo]

JesseLee202 wrote...
Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would repeat that calling other people out for their intolerance is not intolerant. People are entitled to their opinions, but they should be aware that their opinions may be bigoted.

Also, with regards to the bolded - apart from Cortez and Traynor, I can't think of a single character who has a concretely established sexuality. Least of all Shepard, about whom absolutely nothing is concretely defined.

[incinerator950]

krukow wrote...

I do think there needs to be a seperation between people who didn't want S/S romances, and people who just didn't want established characters to be bi all of a sudden. The latter is far more understandable than the former, even if you disagree with the latter.

It was more interesting for Shepard to be automatically bi, when never prompted to in previous games.  Its not hard navigating around, and in terms, Cortez is an awesome NPC (I found Traynor irrelevant).  Its just even if they had some marginal plan to make one character bi in the first game, cut it and for two games you had a heterosexual character.  It is immersion breaking that they randomly come out with it, rather than prompting it first, like DA2.  S/S is variation that many people can use, I don't care for it, but good on them.  

I however have been against many of the romances being silly, along with TW2 being dry and bland.  I'm not a romancy guy when it comes to video games, I just think if they make a character, they should change it.  Ashley's change was... completely aesthetic over her static personality, which is depressing considering her actual abilities are worse then James almost.  

I don't consider Liara part of this because she's a fictitious alien who is monogendered female. The fact alone she can breed with any sapient race, without the need for sexual reproduction, speaks volumes.  Its truly amazing, but the nerd cliche that surrounds the Asari during the first game still stands.

[MACharlie1]

TommyServo wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...
Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would repeat that calling other people out for their intolerance is not intolerant. People are entitled to their opinions, but they should be aware that their opinions may be bigoted.

Also, with regards to the bolded - apart from Cortez and Traynor, I can't think of a single character who has a concretely established sexuality. Least of all Shepard, about whom absolutely nothing is concretely defined.

Correction. 

I was just thinking this and Cortez never actually says that he wouldn't go for the right woman. He admits that he looks at men and dominately goes for them but nobody ever said the right woman couldn't ever win him over. ONLY Traynor explicitly said that she only goes for women when man-Shep hits on her. 

Therefore, nobodies sexuality save for Traynor and the Asari characters, are established at all. Sure, we can make assumptions on where they might be on a Kinsey scale or who they might dominately go for. But can't go beyond that. 

[Krunjar]

yeah I mean there was some light hearted ribbing on the inter webs that soon died down when they realized no one cared. And not a f*ck was given since. People who complain about immersion just don't have a valid point. They only think it's breaking their immersion because to them gay people live on another planet and don't talk to "real" people.

[Reorte]

The only real issue I saw anyone have was Kaidan suddenly becoming bisexual and that wasn't anything to do with sexuality but only as a character shift (rather like the endless comments about how Liara changed from shy and nerdy to Shadow Broker). There were a few "Ew, no gay!" comments but they were small in number and easily ignored.

[D24O]

FaWa wrote...

Posting a picture doesn't make you right...
There were no reason for SS relationships not to be in ME3. I feel like going back to the "I think BioWare is sexually harrasing me" thread because we might be heading there right now.

Wtf Gooby

[JesseLee202]

TommyServo wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...
Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would repeat that calling other people out for their intolerance is not intolerant. People are entitled to their opinions, but they should be aware that their opinions may be bigoted.

Also, with regards to the bolded - apart from Cortez and Traynor, I can't think of a single character who has a concretely established sexuality. Least of all Shepard, about whom absolutely nothing is concretely defined.

#1 please note the  at the end of that line... just giving him a taste of his own medicine. 

#2 My mistake, I should have said, adding romance options post game to make character bi, for either gender.

[incinerator950]

Krunjar wrote...

yeah I mean there was some light hearted ribbing on the inter webs that soon died down when they realized no one cared. And not a f*ck was given since. People who complain about immersion just don't have a valid point. They only think it's breaking their immersion because to them gay people live on another planet and don't talk to "real" people.

One of my best friends is gay.  My other good friend's brother is gay, and my girlfriend is bi.  It's amazing how narrow your own opinions fill into the same gap you claim people are against you.

This is no worse then how Cortez's shower body is a copypasta of Sheploo.  This is no different then the female being a carbon copy of the male running.  This is why I consider it immersion breaking, because they did so much uneeded cutting to try and fanpan to everyone. 

[o Ventus]

For the most part I would say people seem to be ok with them. There's a large thread in the CR boards about S/S romances. The people there are pleasant enough.

Of course, there will always be the special snowflake homophobes.

Modifié par o Ventus, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .