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[incinerator950]

FaWa wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

Same sex relationships break Immersion now do they??

Posting a picture doesn't make you right...
There were no reason for SS relationships not to be in ME3. I feel like going back to the "I think BioWare is sexually harrasing me" thread because we might be heading there right now.

Doesn't make anyone else right, it shows my disdain that such a stupid response came forth.  There were no reaon sfor SS relationships to be in ME3.  It was fanpanning, much like Tali being a squadmate, much like the EC having that rediculous Harbinger Tea Party for Normandy, or the Refusal ending being so contrived into a glorified game over for people who didn't like being handed another instant win button. 

[MACharlie1]

JesseLee202 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...
Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would repeat that calling other people out for their intolerance is not intolerant. People are entitled to their opinions, but they should be aware that their opinions may be bigoted.

Also, with regards to the bolded - apart from Cortez and Traynor, I can't think of a single character who has a concretely established sexuality. Least of all Shepard, about whom absolutely nothing is concretely defined.

#1 please note the  at the end of that line... just giving him a taste of his own medicine. 

#2 My mistake, I should have said, adding romance options post game to make character bi, for either gender.

...but this wasn't the case. Kaidan had specific lines and sets for MaleShep. Other characters recognized it too like Tali. It wasn't just a last minute change the globals so Kaidan recognizes both as romanceable. 

[F4H bandicoot]

JesseLee202 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Only idiots and trolls are against same sex relationships.
So whilst many people are fine and happy that bioware implmented them, there will always be a small vocal minority against them

Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would generally agree with you, however, in my opinion, people who are against SS relationships are either; idiots, trolls, uneducated or misinformed.

[MACharlie1]

incinerator950 wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

yeah I mean there was some light hearted ribbing on the inter webs that soon died down when they realized no one cared. And not a f*ck was given since. People who complain about immersion just don't have a valid point. They only think it's breaking their immersion because to them gay people live on another planet and don't talk to "real" people.

One of my best friends is gay.  My other good friend's brother is gay, and my girlfriend is bi.  It's amazing how narrow your own opinions fill into the same gap you claim people are against you.

This is no worse then how Cortez's shower body is a copypasta of Sheploo.  This is no different then the female being a carbon copy of the male running.  This is why I consider it immersion breaking, because they did so much uneeded cutting to try and fanpan to everyone. 

....all the male/female bodies are copy and pasted off one another....except Liara. Whose nude texture is very well textured for some odd reason. 

[MACharlie1]

incinerator950 wrote...

FaWa wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Xx_Belzak_xX wrote...

It seems the majority of people were fine with it. However, as always, you have the knuckle-dragging minority who hated it, because [insert pathetic, unintelligent, drivel of an excuse/reason against homosexuality here].

Discrimination is the height of human stupidity, and eventually you'll learn that some people are hopelessly stupid.

Its also a stereotype to pull the discrimination flag, where there are people who are explicitely against it for breaking immersion and efficiency reasons. 

Same sex relationships break Immersion now do they??

Posting a picture doesn't make you right...
There were no reason for SS relationships not to be in ME3. I feel like going back to the "I think BioWare is sexually harrasing me" thread because we might be heading there right now.

Doesn't make anyone else right, it shows my disdain that such a stupid response came forth.  There were no reaon sfor SS relationships to be in ME3.  It was fanpanning, much like Tali being a squadmate, much like the EC having that rediculous Harbinger Tea Party for Normandy, or the Refusal ending being so contrived into a glorified game over for people who didn't like being handed another instant win button. 

Uh, gee. I don't know. Maybe for more options? Aren't options a good thing? 

[tanisha__unknown]

A bit exaggerated. Nothing against relations between members of the same sex, but they are more common among those of different gender. I usually play femshep (might be different with mshep) and I can romance:
Kaidan
Samantha
Liara
Diana Allers
(Garrus, Kelly excluded because it would necessarily require to import a save where you had a relation with one of them)

If you count out Liara (mono-gendered species, so Liara is not exactly a female), you are still left with two female and one male partner. If you count her, you will count her as female, then 3/4 of all relations are gay. That's a bit unrealistic, I think. Odds are higher to find heterosexual relations, this should be reflected ingame.

[FKA_Servo]

JesseLee202 wrote...

#2 My mistake, I should have said, adding romance options post game to make character bi, for either gender.

Again, drawing a blank on when this actually happens, because as far as I know, it doesn't.

[The Uncanny]

Jinx1720 wrote...
That's a bit unrealistic, I think.

In a game in which you fly around the universe battling giant space cockroaches.

[JesseLee202]

MACharlie1 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...
Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would repeat that calling other people out for their intolerance is not intolerant. People are entitled to their opinions, but they should be aware that their opinions may be bigoted.

Also, with regards to the bolded - apart from Cortez and Traynor, I can't think of a single character who has a concretely established sexuality. Least of all Shepard, about whom absolutely nothing is concretely defined.

#1 please note the  at the end of that line... just giving him a taste of his own medicine. 

#2 My mistake, I should have said, adding romance options post game to make character bi, for either gender.

...but this wasn't the case. Kaidan had specific lines and sets for MaleShep. Other characters recognized it too like Tali. It wasn't just a last minute change the globals so Kaidan recognizes both as romanceable. 

They had it on the table for options, they chose not to go with it. People still hoping for post release Tali and femshep romance, or any other character, is just sad.

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I would generally agree with you, however, in my opinion, people who are against SS relationships are either; idiots, trolls, uneducated or misinformed.

 

Thats cool, because I am none of the above.

I don't like S/S, that doesn't mean I bash people who do.

[krukow]

Jinx1720 wrote...

A bit exaggerated. Nothing against relations between members of the same sex, but they are more common among those of different gender. I usually play femshep (might be different with mshep) and I can romance:
Kaidan
Samantha
Liara
Diana Allers
(Garrus, Kelly excluded because it would necessarily require to import a save where you had a relation with one of them)

If you count out Liara (mono-gendered species, so Liara is not exactly a female), you are still left with two female and one male partner. If you count her, you will count her as female, then 3/4 of all relations are gay. That's a bit unrealistic, I think. Odds are higher to find heterosexual relations, this should be reflected ingame.

SS romances and the ABSOLUTE TERRIBLE TREATMENT OF STRAIGHT FEMSHEP are two different topics really.

But seriously, I get to pick between Miranda and Ash, and Femshep gets to share Kaidan with broshep?  Weak yo.

[JesseLee202]

TommyServo wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

#2 My mistake, I should have said, adding romance options post game to make character bi, for either gender.

Again, drawing a blank on when this actually happens, because as far as I know, it doesn't.

It doesn't... I said I'm againts it... lol

[Reorte]

incinerator950 wrote...

Doesn't make anyone else right, it shows my disdain that such a stupid response came forth.  There were no reaon sfor SS relationships to be in ME3.  It was fanpanning, much like Tali being a squadmate, much like the EC having that rediculous Harbinger Tea Party for Normandy, or the Refusal ending being so contrived into a glorified game over for people who didn't like being handed another instant win button. 

Or how about the reason that some people are gay so there's no sensible reason not to have some characters who are? Criticisms about the number are possibly valid, the existence of them is not. FWIW Tali being a squadmate, one of the characters who had been with Shepard from the start, was also entirely reasonable and not fan service; if anything Wrex should be feeling a bit left out. The Harbinger comment makes sense, not really sure what you mean about Refusal (IMO it's what you should've got for very low EMS).

[MACharlie1]

JesseLee202 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

TommyServo wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...
Um, no... Only idiots and trolls make wild generalizations about people. 

I'm againts changing a characters already established sexuality, And adding in some lame excuse as to why.


To answer OP, Reaction varied. I personally do not approve of, or support S/S romance, but I really don't care they added it.

I would repeat that calling other people out for their intolerance is not intolerant. People are entitled to their opinions, but they should be aware that their opinions may be bigoted.

Also, with regards to the bolded - apart from Cortez and Traynor, I can't think of a single character who has a concretely established sexuality. Least of all Shepard, about whom absolutely nothing is concretely defined.

#1 please note the  at the end of that line... just giving him a taste of his own medicine. 

#2 My mistake, I should have said, adding romance options post game to make character bi, for either gender.

...but this wasn't the case. Kaidan had specific lines and sets for MaleShep. Other characters recognized it too like Tali. It wasn't just a last minute change the globals so Kaidan recognizes both as romanceable. 

They had it on the table for options, they chose not to go with it. People still hoping for post release Tali and femshep romance, or any other character, is just sad.

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I would generally agree with you, however, in my opinion, people who are against SS relationships are either; idiots, trolls, uneducated or misinformed.

 

Thats cool, because I am none of the above.

I don't like S/S, that doesn't mean I bash people who do.

I was referring to ME3 where Kaidan was romanceable by ManShep. But yes I do agree that adding in MORE romances (either sex) is a little much. EXCEPT in regard to expansion of either ALL current ones or expansion of Jack and Miranda - not so much in availability but just in general content. 

[F4H bandicoot]

JesseLee202 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I would generally agree with you, however, in my opinion, people who are against SS relationships are either; idiots, trolls, uneducated or misinformed.

 

Thats cool, because I am none of the above.

I don't like S/S, that doesn't mean I bash people who do.

In game, IRL or both?? 

An hence, "in my opinion".

[JesseLee202]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I would generally agree with you, however, in my opinion, people who are against SS relationships are either; idiots, trolls, uneducated or misinformed.

 

Thats cool, because I am none of the above.

I don't like S/S, that doesn't mean I bash people who do.

In game, IRL or both?? 

An hence, "in my opinion".

Both. 

You can dislike something without hating it or the people that do it...

[JesseLee202]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I was referring to ME3 where Kaidan was romanceable by ManShep. But yes I do agree that adding in MORE romances (either sex) is a little much. EXCEPT in regard to expansion of either ALL current ones or expansion of Jack and Miranda - not so much in availability but just in general content. 

Then we are in agreement. 

[sth128]

I'm fine with the same sex relationships in the game. I am however, against inter-species relationships depicted in this game.

I don't care how cool Garrus is, no humans should mate outside the species. Same goes for Liara and Tali. If you allow different species to mate, what's stopping a man and a goat?

Think of all the man-goat relationships Shepard has effected when she took Mordin's advise and not swallow!

Modifié par sth128, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:44 .

[JesseLee202]

sth128 wrote...

I'm fine with the same sex relationships in the game. I am however, against inter-species relationships depicted in this game.

I don't care how cool Garrus is, no humans should mate outside the species. Same goes for Liara and Tali. If you allow different species to mate, what's stopping a man and a goat?

Think of all the man-goat relationships Shepard has effected when she took Mordin's advise and not swallow!

NO.



Your post is wrong.

[MACharlie1]

sth128 wrote...

I'm fine with the same sex relationships in the game. I am however, against inter-species relationships depicted in this game.

I don't care how cool Garrus is, no humans should mate outside the species. Same goes for Liara and Tali. If you allow different species to mate, what's stopping a man and a goat?

Think of all the man-goat relationships Shepard has effected when she took Mordin's advise and not swallow!

Difference being that a goat:

1) Goat is not sentient and therefore cannot consent

2) Has no legal standing in society 

:innocent:

[jlb524]

Jinx1720 wrote...
That's a bit unrealistic, I think. Odds are higher to find heterosexual relations, this should be reflected ingame.

Yes, the game should reflect the real life dating scene perfectly...even for heterosexual romances.

Unfortunately, all three games fall horribly short of this.

Odds are high that in real life, you will find that people have various standards (looks, morality, personality, etc.) that inform who they will date/have sex with/etc.

ME LIs don't care none 'bout that stuff.

[tanisha__unknown]

The Uncanny wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...
That's a bit unrealistic, I think.

In a game in which you fly around the universe battling giant space cockroaches.

Just wait another, like what, 200 years? Then we might be battling them.

But seriously, these are two fundamentally different things. One of the aspects that are interesting about SciFi is that apart from the tech things it poses questions that are of interest in general. This means, romancing and character interactions should not be something totally away from what we experience nowerdays in advanced, enlightened civilization.

Modifié par Jinx1720, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:51 .

[F4H bandicoot]

JesseLee202 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I would generally agree with you, however, in my opinion, people who are against SS relationships are either; idiots, trolls, uneducated or misinformed.

 

Thats cool, because I am none of the above.

I don't like S/S, that doesn't mean I bash people who do.

In game, IRL or both?? 

An hence, "in my opinion".

Both. 

You can dislike something without hating it or the people that do it...

And why do you dislike it??

[FKA_Servo]

The Uncanny wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...
That's a bit unrealistic, I think.

In a game in which you fly around the universe battling giant space cockroaches.

I actually really love the realism argument as applied to... pretty much everything on the BSN, from this topic to the pirouetting rogues in DA2. Realism , in this case, is often subjective and irrelevant to the topic. What these folks are clamoring for is "plausibility" and "consistency."

Personally, I don't give a damn if anything in this game is realistic, but I do want things to be plausible in context and internally consistent. It turns out that the existence of male/male romance in a galaxy that recognizes female/female romance and inter-species romance does not cause the integrity of the setting to come crashing down.

[MACharlie1]

Jinx1720 wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...
That's a bit unrealistic, I think.

In a game in which you fly around the universe battling giant space cockroaches.

Just wait another, like what, 200 years? Tell your grandgrandchildren to tell my grandgrandchildren again it's unrealistic:D

And whose to say in 200 years there won't be more bisexual people? Social taboos decrease, more openness in future society about sexuality. Barriers being broken. No subconcious guilt/wall....

[Masha Potato]

Jinx1720 wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Jinx1720 wrote...
That's a bit unrealistic, I think.

In a game in which you fly around the universe battling giant space cockroaches.

Just wait another, like what, 200 years? Tell your grandgrandchildren to tell my grandgrandchildren again it's unrealistic:D

all your bisexual grandchildren