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[iamweaver]

Cartims wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

I'd say Cortez and Traynor were handled really well, though Kaidan hitting on you was kind of awkward. He reminded me of Anders in DA2

Welcome to my world...guys hit on me all the time, it's just so awkward for me. I am a LESBIAN...wtf.<_<

As long as you don't treat it like a friend of mine.  She said that during her rebellious teenage years, she used to date guys.  Poor guys...

[Mr.House]

incinerator950 wrote...

Both Shepards are Heterosexual in both games.  So is Kaidan, and Liara is a member of a single, mono-gendered race which can breed with just about every sapient species.  In ME3, Shepard and Kaidan now openly, and randomly state in the air about accepting each other.  Even turning Kaidan down is a "Not interested in a relationship" instead of a "Sorry, you're not my type" which you can gracefully pull with Cortez.  That, is character breaking immersion. 

Really?



I see nothing even close to "hetrosexual" there.

Modifié par Mr.House, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:19 .

[Sarquindi]

[quote]TheChris92 wrote...

[/quote]
Shepard is not a pre-determined character. How can one break his/her character when it is in the hands of the player to create said character?[/quote]

I'll just quote what Chris said.  Shepard was always the player's creation; so whether Shepard is gay, straight, or bi is up to you.  Also, Kaiden never said "I'm straight" or "I'm against homosexuality", so I personally don't think it breaks his character.  Some people, who are bi or gay, are not flamboyant about it or don't feel the need to openly express it.  I'm bi, but I have a boyfriend so I never talk about other girls.  Some people also go through a marriage and have kids before they realise they're gay or bi... Just my thoughts. 

[jlb524]

This thread got a lot better.

[incinerator950]

Mr.House wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Both Shepards are Heterosexual in both games.  So is Kaidan, and Liara is a member of a single, mono-gendered race which can breed with just about every sapient species.  In ME3, Shepard and Kaidan now openly, and randomly state in the air about accepting each other.  Even turning Kaidan down is a "Not interested in a relationship" instead of a "Sorry, you're not my type" which you can gracefully pull with Cortez.  That, is character breaking immersion. 

Really?

I see nothing even close to "hetrosexual" there.

I don't view the Asari as females like humans.  I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us.  A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical.  Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for. 

[incinerator950]

Uinen03 wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Shepard is not a pre-determined character. How can one break his/her character when it is in the hands of the player to create said character?

I'll just quote what Chris said.  Shepard was always the player's creation; so whether Shepard is gay, straight, or bi is up to you.  Also, Kaiden never said "I'm straight" or "I'm against homosexuality", so I personally don't think it breaks his character.  Some people, who are bi or gay, are not flamboyant about it or don't feel the need to openly express it.  I'm bi, but I have a boyfriend so I never talk about other girls.  Some people also go through a marriage and have kids before they realise they're gay or bi... Just my thoughts. 

You pick an origin, you have a linear path with small variations to choose how to get to the same destination.  That seems pre-determined to me.  Illusion of Choice is the greatest lie about ME.

Modifié par incinerator950, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:25 .

[BSpud]

There's a misconception among some ME fans that monogendered = androgynous or sexless/genderless. All Asari are female.

[Mr.House]

Sorry but when my femshep goes down on Liara, puts her face in Liara's breast, or Liara and Shepard's breast meet eachother. That is not hetro at all. You can color it all you want, but I don't know too many hetro couples that do that.

Also my Shepard is a lesbian, so the "Shepard is a hetrosexual." is false.

Also Asari are monogender, one gender. That one gender is female. So yes if Liara dates a femshep and after Shepard passes away either dates another asari or female of another race Liara is a...LESBIAN ! In that players world.

Modifié par Mr.House, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:27 .

[incinerator950]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

There's a misconception among some ME fans that monogendered = androgynous or sexless/genderless. All Asari are female.

I don't see it as a misconception when thats how they're described in game by the Asari.  Maybe you do, but I haven't disected an Asari to see how their bodies work.  

Edit: Like everything else in ME, they revolve around Mass Effect Fields and Space Magic.

Modifié par incinerator950, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:27 .

[BSpud]

incinerator950 wrote...
I don't see it as a misconception when thats how they're described in game by the Asari.  Maybe you do, but I haven't disected an Asari to see how their bodies work.  

They are described in-game as monogendered. Meaning they all have one (mono) gender/sex. Which happens to be very clearly female in a humanoid sense (besides their superficially evident feminine attributes, they also all give birth). The misconception usually stems from confusing the term "monogendered" with "sexless" or any variation of.

[MACharlie1]

If FemShep getting with Liara is not homosexual then ManShep with Liara is not heterosexual.

ooooooooo.

[TheChris92]

incinerator950 wrote...

Uinen03 wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Shepard is not a pre-determined character. How can one break his/her character when it is in the hands of the player to create said character?

I'll just quote what Chris said.  Shepard was always the player's creation; so whether Shepard is gay, straight, or bi is up to you.  Also, Kaiden never said "I'm straight" or "I'm against homosexuality", so I personally don't think it breaks his character.  Some people, who are bi or gay, are not flamboyant about it or don't feel the need to openly express it.  I'm bi, but I have a boyfriend so I never talk about other girls.  Some people also go through a marriage and have kids before they realise they're gay or bi... Just my thoughts. 

You pick an origin, you have a linear path with small variations to choose how to get to the same destination.  That seems pre-determined to me.  Illusion of Choice is the greatest lie about ME.

So, the Warden is pre-determined too? Or any RPG characters for that matter?

[Nefla]

incinerator950 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Both Shepards are Heterosexual in both games.  So is Kaidan, and Liara is a member of a single, mono-gendered race which can breed with just about every sapient species.  In ME3, Shepard and Kaidan now openly, and randomly state in the air about accepting each other.  Even turning Kaidan down is a "Not interested in a relationship" instead of a "Sorry, you're not my type" which you can gracefully pull with Cortez.  That, is character breaking immersion. 

Really?

I see nothing even close to "hetrosexual" there.

I don't view the Asari as females like humans.  I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us.  A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical.  Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for. 

Their bodies, faces, and voices are identical to human females. They refer to themselves (and others refer to them as well) exclusively with feminine pronouns. They get pregnant and give live birth through a birth canal. Just because they don't need sperm to reproduce doesn't mean they're not female.

I'm a big fan of both m/m romances in the game, and my mshep was holding out for Kaidan all these years. (as my avatar will show you)

Modifié par Nefla, 01 août 2012 - 12:21 .

[FlamingBoy]

the same sex romance didn't bother me nearly as much as the unfinished game

[wizardryforever]

Nefla wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't view the Asari as females like humans.  I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us.  A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical.  Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for. 

Their bodies, faces, and voices are identical to human females. They refer to themselves (and others refer to them as well) exclusively with feminine pronouns. They get pregnant and give live birth through a birth canal. Just because they don't need sperm to reproduce doesn't mean they're not female.

I'm a big fan of both m/m romances in the game, and my mshep was holding out for Kaidan all these years. (as my avatar will show you)

They're not female, or at least they aren't only female.  Asari are something that lies outside our boundaries of gender.  See my posts on pages 4, 5, and 6 of this thread.  Femshep/Liara is a one sided lesbian relationship, since Liara isn't attracted to her gender (nor is she attracted to maleshep's gender).  It's not just that she's bisexual either, it's that she has no real understanding of gender.  It's all an abstract concept for her, because she can't know firsthand.

[iamweaver]

wizardryforever wrote...

Nefla wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't view the Asari as females like humans.  I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us.  A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical.  Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for. 

Their bodies, faces, and voices are identical to human females. They refer to themselves (and others refer to them as well) exclusively with feminine pronouns. They get pregnant and give live birth through a birth canal. Just because they don't need sperm to reproduce doesn't mean they're not female.

I'm a big fan of both m/m romances in the game, and my mshep was holding out for Kaidan all these years. (as my avatar will show you)

They're not female, or at least they aren't only female.  Asari are something that lies outside our boundaries of gender.  See my posts on pages 4, 5, and 6 of this thread.  Femshep/Liara is a one sided lesbian relationship, since Liara isn't attracted to her gender (nor is she attracted to maleshep's gender).  It's not just that she's bisexual either, it's that she has no real understanding of gender.  It's all an abstract concept for her, because she can't know firsthand.

Females are the members of the species that produce the eggs/fetuses/seeds. That's the anatomical definition of a female.  This is true whether the species is a plant or animal.  Asari are female.

This doesn't preclude Asari from also being "male" in some sense of the word, depending on how the reproduction occurs.

[hoodaticus]

Bisexual here - don't care. They could have had no same sex romances, or only same sex romances - doesn't matter. If I wanted to complain, I'd complain about the lack of intersex threesomes and the fact that we can't have casual sex with anyone but Jack.

Edit:

But that scene with Jack was HOT!

Modifié par hoodaticus, 01 août 2012 - 01:13 .

[Hey]

hoodaticus wrote...

...I'd complain about the lack of intersex threesomes and the fact that we can't have casual sex with anyone but Jack.

lol.  agreed.

[hoodaticus]

iamweaver wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Nefla wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't view the Asari as females like humans.  I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us.  A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical.  Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for. 

Their bodies, faces, and voices are identical to human females. They refer to themselves (and others refer to them as well) exclusively with feminine pronouns. They get pregnant and give live birth through a birth canal. Just because they don't need sperm to reproduce doesn't mean they're not female.

I'm a big fan of both m/m romances in the game, and my mshep was holding out for Kaidan all these years. (as my avatar will show you)

They're not female, or at least they aren't only female.  Asari are something that lies outside our boundaries of gender.  See my posts on pages 4, 5, and 6 of this thread.  Femshep/Liara is a one sided lesbian relationship, since Liara isn't attracted to her gender (nor is she attracted to maleshep's gender).  It's not just that she's bisexual either, it's that she has no real understanding of gender.  It's all an abstract concept for her, because she can't know firsthand.

Females are the members of the species that produce the eggs/fetuses/seeds. That's the anatomical definition of a female.  This is true whether the species is a plant or animal.  Asari are female.

This doesn't preclude Asari from also being "male" in some sense of the word, depending on how the reproduction occurs.

Asari are only female.  No matter what species you are - plant, animal, whatever - the male produces sperm.

Yes, pollen is sperm.  Or rather, pollen hatches, and then the sperm swim out.

Pollen allergies are the body expressing a completely-understandible revulsion at being inseminated by another species.

[Eterna]

ticklefist wrote...

Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.

What do you mean by this? Gay people don't act like straight people?

what.....

[iamweaver]

hoodaticus wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Nefla wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't view the Asari as females like humans.  I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us.  A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical.  Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for. 

Their bodies, faces, and voices are identical to human females. They refer to themselves (and others refer to them as well) exclusively with feminine pronouns. They get pregnant and give live birth through a birth canal. Just because they don't need sperm to reproduce doesn't mean they're not female.

I'm a big fan of both m/m romances in the game, and my mshep was holding out for Kaidan all these years. (as my avatar will show you)

They're not female, or at least they aren't only female.  Asari are something that lies outside our boundaries of gender.  See my posts on pages 4, 5, and 6 of this thread.  Femshep/Liara is a one sided lesbian relationship, since Liara isn't attracted to her gender (nor is she attracted to maleshep's gender).  It's not just that she's bisexual either, it's that she has no real understanding of gender.  It's all an abstract concept for her, because she can't know firsthand.

Females are the members of the species that produce the eggs/fetuses/seeds. That's the anatomical definition of a female.  This is true whether the species is a plant or animal.  Asari are female.

This doesn't preclude Asari from also being "male" in some sense of the word, depending on how the reproduction occurs.

Asari are only female.  No matter what species you are - plant, animal, whatever - the male produces sperm.

Yes, pollen is sperm.  Or rather, pollen hatches, and then the sperm swim out.

Pollen allergies are the body expressing a completely-understandible revulsion at being inseminated by another species.

I only said "in some sense of the word", because modern biology doesn't have any species that initiates pregnancy using the mental waves of another being whose behavioural tendencies somehow are incorporated into the child, but not genetically (what the HECK).  I love the dialogue about this between Liara and Aethyta.

Modifié par iamweaver, 01 août 2012 - 01:23 .

[hoodaticus]

Eterna5 wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.

What do you mean by this? Gay people don't act like straight people?

what.....

Some act different, some don't.  Though in my American experience, the gays that act normal also vote Republican (a wierd coincidence).

[Taboo]

Wow.

Steve and Traynor are the best LGBT characters I've ever seen in a game. In fact they're the best representation of LGBT characters I've ever seen in something that was mainstream.

I don't see what the issue is here people. I'm straight and have no issues with this.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Mr.House wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Both Shepards are Heterosexual in both games.  So is Kaidan, and Liara is a member of a single, mono-gendered race which can breed with just about every sapient species.  In ME3, Shepard and Kaidan now openly, and randomly state in the air about accepting each other.  Even turning Kaidan down is a "Not interested in a relationship" instead of a "Sorry, you're not my type" which you can gracefully pull with Cortez.  That, is character breaking immersion. 

Really?



I see nothing even close to "hetrosexual" there.

Agreed. Not even close. I chose Liara in ME1 > Thane (Loyal, died in ME2 SM seeker swarm RNG thing -- unloyal Legion & Miranda) > Liara (LOTSB post SM) > Liara (ME3)

EDIT: yet if children were in the future, femShep would be the father.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 01 août 2012 - 01:29 .