hoodaticus wrote...
Asari are only female. No matter what species you are - plant, animal, whatever - the male produces sperm.
Yes, pollen is sperm. Or rather, pollen hatches, and then the sperm swim out.
Pollen allergies are the body expressing a completely-understandible revulsion at being inseminated by another species.
Guest_Nyoka_*
The issue is that they don't like subjective sexuality.Taboo-XX wrote...
Wow.
Steve and Traynor are the best LGBT characters I've ever seen in a game. In fact they're the best representation of LGBT characters I've ever seen in something that was mainstream.
I don't see what the issue is here people. I'm straight and have no issues with this.
Plus you can mod your savegame in ME1 and have broshep shack up with Kaidan right then and there. Or even Garrus (is there even one form of sex a human can have with a Turian that wouldn't hurt like hell?).sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Mr.House wrote...
Really?incinerator950 wrote...
Both Shepards are Heterosexual in both games. So is Kaidan, and Liara is a member of a single, mono-gendered race which can breed with just about every sapient species. In ME3, Shepard and Kaidan now openly, and randomly state in the air about accepting each other. Even turning Kaidan down is a "Not interested in a relationship" instead of a "Sorry, you're not my type" which you can gracefully pull with Cortez. That, is character breaking immersion.
I see nothing even close to "hetrosexual" there.
Agreed. Not even close. I chose Liara in ME1 > Thane (Loyal, died in ME2 SM seeker swarm RNG thing -- unloyal Legion & Miranda) > Liara (LOTSB post SM) > Liara (ME3)
Modifié par hoodaticus, 01 août 2012 - 01:36 .
Nyoka wrote...
The issue is that they don't like subjective sexuality.Taboo-XX wrote...
Wow.
Steve and Traynor are the best LGBT characters I've ever seen in a game. In fact they're the best representation of LGBT characters I've ever seen in something that was mainstream.
I don't see what the issue is here people. I'm straight and have no issues with this.
Meaning, if you're Manhawke, Anders and Karl used to watch romantic comedies in bed together; whereas if you're Femhawke, Anders and Karl only used to play cards together.
The Angry One wrote...
I'd argue that turning Ashley from a no-nonsense marine into a supermodel who prances around the battlefield in high heels is more of a change than making her bisexual ever could be but hey what do I know.
David7204 wrote...
I thought Ashley looked much better in ME 3.
krukow wrote...
Well, she's a spectre now, so there!!
Flog61 wrote...
Lonsecia wrote...
To be fair, that image of Traynor does have a very thick outline.
As for the OP: I saw some pretty unpleasant trolling, but nothing unexpected. I guess it depends on what you're used to, though.
I myself was happy with how they (Bioware) dealt with things, and I agree with TAO regarding Liara counting, but am glad they gave the guys someone (well, two choices) as well.
I guess Bioware took an easy route with Liara in many ways, what with the Asari only having one gender to begin with. Well, that and the fact she was a cute-looking human woman with blue skin and strange head thingies. I can never get enough of head thingies.
Well, i absolutely plan on covering this in my essay.
Call me harsh, but i am going to try and argue that a large reason that bioware created the asari was so that a) they didn't have to design females of other species andThey could argue away the less intelligent of same sex critics in me1 by saying 'it's not actually a lesbian relationship' although for femshep, it actually is
TheRealJayDee wrote...
David7204 wrote...
I thought Ashley looked much better in ME 3.
Strongly disagreed.
That was a common justifaction for her ridiculous outfit before we knew the details of the story. Sadly she already runs around in her selfmade fantasy uniform when she is just a simple member of the Alliance.
Indeed. If males produce sperm and that is how babies are made (which is true in real life), then explain how asari are able to produce babies among themselves if they're all female. That's the kicker. If asari are all female, then how are they able to reproduce among themselves? Because our conventions of male and female don't apply to the asari. They have the traits of both, but because of the way the reproduction works, they don't have/need male genetalia or anything that that entails to fertilize each other. The other traits (breasts, birth canal, etc.) are there only because they give live birth. If they gave birth in the same abstract way that they mated, I guarantee that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because they wouldn't have any female characteristics either.iamweaver wrote...
I only said "in some sense of the word", because modern biology doesn't have any species that initiates pregnancy using the mental waves of another being whose behavioural tendencies somehow are incorporated into the child, but not genetically (what the HECK). I love the dialogue about this between Liara and Aethyta.hoodaticus wrote...
Asari are only female. No matter what species you are - plant, animal, whatever - the male produces sperm.iamweaver wrote...
Females are the members of the species that produce the eggs/fetuses/seeds. That's the anatomical definition of a female. This is true whether the species is a plant or animal. Asari are female.wizardryforever wrote...
They're not female, or at least they aren't only female. Asari are something that lies outside our boundaries of gender. See my posts on pages 4, 5, and 6 of this thread. Femshep/Liara is a one sided lesbian relationship, since Liara isn't attracted to her gender (nor is she attracted to maleshep's gender). It's not just that she's bisexual either, it's that she has no real understanding of gender. It's all an abstract concept for her, because she can't know firsthand.Nefla wrote...
incinerator950 wrote...
I don't view the Asari as females like humans. I view them as mono-gendered female like organism, not Asexual, but something different then us. A completely different organism that reproduces in a different way then humans, both mysterious and mystical. Completely based on how the Asari have reacted to probing them, they recombine part of the parent genes, which they don't even need sex for.
Their bodies, faces, and voices are identical to human females. They refer to themselves (and others refer to them as well) exclusively with feminine pronouns. They get pregnant and give live birth through a birth canal. Just because they don't need sperm to reproduce doesn't mean they're not female.
I'm a big fan of both m/m romances in the game, and my mshep was holding out for Kaidan all these years. (as my avatar will show you)
This doesn't preclude Asari from also being "male" in some sense of the word, depending on how the reproduction occurs.
Yes, pollen is sperm. Or rather, pollen hatches, and then the sperm swim out.
Pollen allergies are the body expressing a completely-understandible revulsion at being inseminated by another species.
D24O wrote...
TheRealJayDee wrote...
David7204 wrote...
I thought Ashley looked much better in ME 3.
Strongly disagreed.
That was a common justifaction for her ridiculous outfit before we knew the details of the story. Sadly she already runs around in her selfmade fantasy uniform when she is just a simple member of the Alliance.
I prefer her hair in 3, but she didn't need the "enhancments" nor did she need the new outfit. Her casual clothes in 1 were fine.
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
Taboo-XX wrote...
Nyoka wrote...
The issue is that they don't like subjective sexuality.Taboo-XX wrote...
Wow.
Steve and Traynor are the best LGBT characters I've ever seen in a game. In fact they're the best representation of LGBT characters I've ever seen in something that was mainstream.
I don't see what the issue is here people. I'm straight and have no issues with this.
Meaning, if you're Manhawke, Anders and Karl used to watch romantic comedies in bed together; whereas if you're Femhawke, Anders and Karl only used to play cards together.
If they don't interest your character romantically I honestly don't see why it's so hard to say no. It doesn't make me uncomfortable.
I remember Fenris asked about a relationship with my Male Hawke and I said no and nothing more ever became of it.
It should be a non-issue in this day and age.
I have multiple friends from ages 25-55 who are straight and yet get a kick out of teasing gay guys who are into them. Lots of funny stories there.Taboo-XX wrote...
Nyoka wrote...
The issue is that they don't like subjective sexuality.Taboo-XX wrote...
Wow.
Steve and Traynor are the best LGBT characters I've ever seen in a game. In fact they're the best representation of LGBT characters I've ever seen in something that was mainstream.
I don't see what the issue is here people. I'm straight and have no issues with this.
Meaning, if you're Manhawke, Anders and Karl used to watch romantic comedies in bed together; whereas if you're Femhawke, Anders and Karl only used to play cards together.
If they don't interest your character romantically I honestly don't see why it's so hard to say no. It doesn't make me uncomfortable.
I remember Fenris asked about a relationship with my Male Hawke and I said no and nothing more ever became of it.
It should be a non-issue in this day and age.
hoodaticus wrote...
Some act different, some don't. Though in my American experience, the gays that act normal also vote Republican (a wierd coincidence).Eterna5 wrote...
ticklefist wrote...
Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.
What do you mean by this? Gay people don't act like straight people?
what.....
wizardryforever wrote...
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If males produce sperm and that is how babies are made (which is true in real life), then explain how asari are able to produce babies among themselves if they're all female. That's the kicker. If asari are all female, then how are they able to reproduce among themselves? Because our conventions of male and female don't apply to the asari. They have the traits of both, but because of the way the reproduction works, they don't have/need male genetalia or anything that that entails to fertilize each other. The other traits (breasts, birth canal, etc.) are there only because they give live birth. If they gave birth in the same abstract way that they mated, I guarantee that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because they wouldn't have any female characteristics either.
Asari undergo asexual reproduction. They are female because they are MILK-PRODUCING, VAGINATED MAMMALS. Again, it comes down to parts and function. They have no guy parts and no guy functions; they have all the lady parts and all the lady functions.wizardryforever wrote...
Indeed. If males produce sperm and that is how babies are made (which is true in real life), then explain how asari are able to produce babies among themselves if they're all female. That's the kicker. If asari are all female, then how are they able to reproduce among themselves? Because our conventions of male and female don't apply to the asari. They have the traits of both, but because of the way the reproduction works, they don't have/need male genetalia or anything that that entails to fertilize each other. The other traits (breasts, birth canal, etc.) are there only because they give live birth. If they gave birth in the same abstract way that they mated, I guarantee that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because they wouldn't have any female characteristics either.
Modifié par hoodaticus, 01 août 2012 - 01:51 .
Doesn't work. Parthenogenesis is asexual. Asari are not, they need a partner. And the fact is that this partner can be another asari, which are supposedly all female and only female. How do asari fertilize each other if they are all female and only female? Short answer, they aren't. They're outside the normal strata of gender as we understand it. Liara even flat-out says this in ME1.iamweaver wrote...
wizardryforever wrote...
<snip>
If males produce sperm and that is how babies are made (which is true in real life), then explain how asari are able to produce babies among themselves if they're all female. That's the kicker. If asari are all female, then how are they able to reproduce among themselves? Because our conventions of male and female don't apply to the asari. They have the traits of both, but because of the way the reproduction works, they don't have/need male genetalia or anything that that entails to fertilize each other. The other traits (breasts, birth canal, etc.) are there only because they give live birth. If they gave birth in the same abstract way that they mated, I guarantee that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because they wouldn't have any female characteristics either.
The definition of female FITS. If it can fit for a fungus, it can fit for an Asari. And there are species on Earth that are only female. Look up parthenogensis in your favorite source of knowledge.
The Asari may need a partner to reproduce, but as no physical material is transferred, the need for a partner is psychological and not biological.wizardryforever wrote...
Doesn't work. Parthenogenesis is asexual. Asari are not, they need a partner. And the fact is that this partner can be another asari, which are supposedly all female and only female. How do asari fertilize each other if they are all female and only female? Short answer, they aren't. They're outside the normal strata of gender as we understand it. Liara even flat-out says this in ME1.iamweaver wrote...
wizardryforever wrote...
<snip>
If males produce sperm and that is how babies are made (which is true in real life), then explain how asari are able to produce babies among themselves if they're all female. That's the kicker. If asari are all female, then how are they able to reproduce among themselves? Because our conventions of male and female don't apply to the asari. They have the traits of both, but because of the way the reproduction works, they don't have/need male genetalia or anything that that entails to fertilize each other. The other traits (breasts, birth canal, etc.) are there only because they give live birth. If they gave birth in the same abstract way that they mated, I guarantee that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because they wouldn't have any female characteristics either.
The definition of female FITS. If it can fit for a fungus, it can fit for an Asari. And there are species on Earth that are only female. Look up parthenogensis in your favorite source of knowledge.
It's not a stereotype - it's an anecdote. You can tell the difference, I hope.Eterna5 wrote...
hoodaticus wrote...
Some act different, some don't. Though in my American experience, the gays that act normal also vote Republican (a wierd coincidence).Eterna5 wrote...
ticklefist wrote...
Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.
What do you mean by this? Gay people don't act like straight people?
what.....
But that's a silly stereotype.
I'm gay and act normal and don't vote repub.
Irrelevant. They need someone else to reproduce, thus they aren't asexual. They must bond with another person's mind.hoodaticus wrote...
The Asari may need a partner to reproduce, but as no physical material is transferred, the need for a partner is psychological and not biological.wizardryforever wrote...
Doesn't work. Parthenogenesis is asexual. Asari are not, they need a partner. And the fact is that this partner can be another asari, which are supposedly all female and only female. How do asari fertilize each other if they are all female and only female? Short answer, they aren't. They're outside the normal strata of gender as we understand it. Liara even flat-out says this in ME1.iamweaver wrote...
wizardryforever wrote...
<snip>
If males produce sperm and that is how babies are made (which is true in real life), then explain how asari are able to produce babies among themselves if they're all female. That's the kicker. If asari are all female, then how are they able to reproduce among themselves? Because our conventions of male and female don't apply to the asari. They have the traits of both, but because of the way the reproduction works, they don't have/need male genetalia or anything that that entails to fertilize each other. The other traits (breasts, birth canal, etc.) are there only because they give live birth. If they gave birth in the same abstract way that they mated, I guarantee that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because they wouldn't have any female characteristics either.
The definition of female FITS. If it can fit for a fungus, it can fit for an Asari. And there are species on Earth that are only female. Look up parthenogensis in your favorite source of knowledge.
Guest_EntropicAngel_*
hoodaticus wrote...
The Asari may need a partner to reproduce, but as no physical material is transferred, the need for a partner is psychological and not biological.
hoodaticus wrote...
It's not a stereotype - it's an anecdote. You can tell the difference, I hope.Eterna5 wrote...
hoodaticus wrote...
Some act different, some don't. Though in my American experience, the gays that act normal also vote Republican (a wierd coincidence).Eterna5 wrote...
ticklefist wrote...
Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.
What do you mean by this? Gay people don't act like straight people?
what.....
But that's a silly stereotype.
I'm gay and act normal and don't vote repub.
Modifié par Eterna5, 01 août 2012 - 02:01 .
There were millionaire black actors in Hollywood movies before the end of World War II.felipejiraya wrote...
Man, this thread makes me sad.
Really, it's freaking 2012, the S/S relationships should me a non-issue.
I can only imagine if videogames and internet existed in the first half of the past century the name of this thread would be "BSN's reaction to black characters".
I wasn't implying anything. I explicated that of the straight-acting gay guys I know whose political persuasions I also know, they vote Republican. That's what the magic words "in my experience" meant. I offered anecdotal evidence - the weakest kind.Eterna5 wrote...
hoodaticus wrote...
It's not a stereotype - it's an anecdote. You can tell the difference, I hope.Eterna5 wrote...
hoodaticus wrote...
Some act different, some don't. Though in my American experience, the gays that act normal also vote Republican (a wierd coincidence).Eterna5 wrote...
ticklefist wrote...
Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.
What do you mean by this? Gay people don't act like straight people?
what.....
But that's a silly stereotype.
I'm gay and act normal and don't vote repub.
Saying that feminine gays vote liberal is a stereotype, which is what you're implying based on your limited experience.
EntropicAngel wrote...
hoodaticus wrote...
The Asari may need a partner to reproduce, but as no physical material is transferred, the need for a partner is psychological and not biological.
The partner is necessary to randomize the DNA. Biological.
I've personally always wondered if, and indeed suspected, that an Asari could "mate" with a common house cat.
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