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[wizardryforever]

DevilBeast wrote...

Think Javik said something about the asari having body hair before they began breeding with reptiles (can´t remember when and where he said it though) indicating that the asari probably bred with other species´ on their homeplanet before they became a space faring species.

You're gonna have to find that for me, because I don't remember seeing that at all, anywhere.

[SilentNukee]

Flog61 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Some people were annoyed that Kaiden became bisexual all of a sudden. And some complained about Cortez not being able to do his job because he was gay (I have no idea why).

While the Kaidan thing may be a valid complaint, that Cortez comment makes it obvious that a few of them are just homophobic trolls

1. Kaidan never mentioned his preference, or sexuality in any way in the ME trilogy. Neither did any of the other characters except Jack, if you read between the lines anyway. So, he didn't "just become gay". Yes, he had a fling with a girl in the past... I'm sure a lot of bisexual people did as well. Not that it matters, because if you're playing a hetero Shep then you just don't see any of this in your game so it shouldn't affect you in any way.

The Cortez thing... That's just idioting homophobic haters, or trolls. :/

[Blacklash93]

The breaking of immersion and character argument is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard against S/S romances right behind the bleeding heart morality experts.

It breaks Shepard's character to you? Then don't pick it. Shepard is not gay or bi if you don't wish him to be and the notion just doesn't exist to you. If the simple option to establish something about your character or one that will contradict how you've been playing them up to a point being presented breaks your immersionz then I don't know why you play RPGs. I play good characters but I don't cry every time the option to be a heartless jerk comes up in Mass Effect. Same for every RPG ever.

Cost and efficientcy is the only reasonable argument to not include S/S romances. But those scapegoating about how a few dialogue scenes, in which all but 2 are also in a friendship path that should be equally appealing to all players, made a large contribution to the sucky ending really need some lessons in game development. If the S/S romances were done like Dragon Age where they were 90% (95% in DA2) copy-pasted from a straight romance path this arugment almost becomes penny-pinching for game development.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[Jadebaby]

The Angry One wrote...

I've had such relationships since ME1, so meh?

Yes Liara does count whether you like it or not.

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The Angry One wrote...

There's one issue I have with STEEEVE and it has nothing to do with being gay.

He loses his husband, has a really hard time getting over it, then can get into a relationship with ManShep and promptly loses him too.
Some people are just cursed, man.

Another one I also had was with Traynor. Just how there's a massive war and she will still come onto you whether you're in a relationship or not. When you're her superior officer on the ship and in the end it doesn't matter if she's 'playing for keeps' because it's not her 'game' anyway.

The endings feel even more out of place when you think of all the focus put on romance and friendships.

[incinerator950]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I've had such relationships since ME1, so meh?

Yes Liara does count whether you like it or not.

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The Angry One wrote...

There's one issue I have with STEEEVE and it has nothing to do with being gay.

He loses his husband, has a really hard time getting over it, then can get into a relationship with ManShep and promptly loses him too.
Some people are just cursed, man.

Another one I also had was with Traynor. Just how there's a massive war and she will still come onto you whether you're in a relationship or not. When you're her superior officer on the ship and in the end it doesn't matter if she's 'playing for keeps' because it's not her 'game' anyway.

The endings feel even more out of place when you think of all the focus put on romance and friendships.

Don't agree with Angry, completely agree with your last part.

[hoodaticus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

I don't know about Cortez "not being able to do his job," but the whole breaking down and crying thing was a bit much.

It pissed me off too.  I gave him all sympathies, but I also wrote him off as a loss - militarily and romantically.

[garrusfan1]

Honestly only a minority of BSN complained about it. I was surprised at how well done they were well actually I haven't had Cortez as LI. And in case anyone asks I only had one with traynor because thane died the rest of my imports all have LIs so that is why I was able to use traynor as LI and not Cortez. But Cortez is a well written character as was traynor I liked both

[Blacklash93]

hoodaticus wrote...
It pissed me off too. I gave him all sympathies, but I also wrote him off as a loss - militarily and romantically.

How was he a loss for the fight? He was incredibly competent at his job regardless of his issues and whether or not they get resolved.

[hoodaticus]

Blacklash93 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
It pissed me off too. I gave him all sympathies, but I also wrote him off as a loss - militarily and romantically.

How was he a loss for the fight? He was incredibly competent at his job regardless of his issues and whether or not they get resolved.

Yeah, but I never trusted him not to break down after that.  I mean - he can't keep control of his emotions out-of-combat, what's going to happen in combat?

He did do pretty well, but then he decided to take on a Harvester in his passenger shuttle.  On my first playthrough, I was screaming "IDIOT!" so loud that I never heard the "STEEEEVE" lolz line until my second playthrough.

[incinerator950]

hoodaticus wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

hoodaticus wrote...
It pissed me off too. I gave him all sympathies, but I also wrote him off as a loss - militarily and romantically.

How was he a loss for the fight? He was incredibly competent at his job regardless of his issues and whether or not they get resolved.

Yeah, but I never trusted him not to break down after that.  I mean - he can't keep control of his emotions out-of-combat, what's going to happen in combat?

He did do pretty well, but then he decided to take on a Harvester in his passenger shuttle.  On my first playthrough, I was screaming "IDIOT!" so loud that I never heard the "STEEEEVE" lolz line until my second playthrough.

...can't tell if serious.

[Ozzy]

Just because he broke down out of combat doesn't discount his abilities in combat. Everyone has a breaking point but they end up coming out of it stronger. Talking about the games here.

[The Twilight God]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Only idiots and trolls are against same sex relationships.
So whilst many people are fine and happy that bioware implmented them, there will always be a small vocal minority against them

Oh brother....

[The Twilight God]

Flog61 wrote...

Hi everyone

I was just wondering what the general reaction to same sex romance being implemented in Mass Effect 3 was.

Did people make lots of threads about it? Was the overall reaction positive or negative? Was there any difference in reactions between the F/F options and the M/M options?

Thanks in advance

People didn't want previously heterosexual squadies like Ashley and Kaidan to become suddenly bisexual.

I was not pleased with Kaidan coming on to me. Very akward. I don't know where he got the idea I was into guys. Just seemed out of place.

Cortez was handled beautifully though. Cortez should have been bi. Femsheps got kinda screwed. I'd like to romance Traynor, but males have more than enough heterosexual options compared to females.

Cortez: I'm checking out the guys.
Shep: I'm checking out those Asari strippers.
Cortez: Sweet, no competition

or

Shep: You can check me out too
Cortez: ?????? (I'm figuring that starts the romance)

[sonicphoto]

I think reaction was pretty good, most negative commenters were taken down by positive ones. Personally, I think Cortez was handled really well. On the Kaidan side, well it's not that I mind that he is bi or anything, but I really wish it was handled in the same way Cortez was handled, where you would choose to go romantic or not. Instead he goes romantic, and then if you reject him then he gets kinda sad, and you know saying all these stuff that he felt alone, makes you feel evil for not romancing him, when I clearly don't want to because he is like a bro, a cool friend and such.

[incinerator950]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

You know what's odd? I didn't get the come-on by Kaidan. I don't know if I did something wrong, but I played a maleshep and Kaidan never mentioned romance.

He didn't to me either; I heard it has to do with whether you buy him booze.

You have to buy him booze, which is why I stopped. 

[shepdog77]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

You know what's odd? I didn't get the come-on by Kaidan. I don't know if I did something wrong, but I played a maleshep and Kaidan never mentioned romance.

He didn't to me either; I heard it has to do with whether you buy him booze.

If you lock in your romance with another character before having lunch with him, he won't come on to you either.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

 Well I see there's many discussions going on, but I'm going to put some thoughts out there. I don't hate S/S romances, but I hate how they were implemented.
For example Steve Cortez- Is cool that he has a back-story, but I hate characters that their story revolves around mourning a previous lover, it's generic and stupid.  And It feels his story revolves about him being gay as well. I also disliked how one moment he's mourning in a memorial, and the next day he's at a night club looking for men, It's inconsistent and out of the blue

Kaidan Alenko- Talking about out the blue, Alenko stand out. I mean really, he asks you out of nowhere in the middle of a dinner if you ever heard about him loving anyone, Umm yeah, that girl you told me about in Me1 that you killed someone for. But anyway *Cue romantic music*Then he complains about not being with anyone, and that he wants something we someone he already respects. To me it came off, that he's hitting at you because he can't find anyone else, even if it didn't see that way for you, It's still completely random and horribly executed.

Traynor-I think was the only one who had a good plot, not generic, makes sense, and it just feels right. No, It's not me just supporting her because she's a female, but I honestly think this was the best executed S/S romance (unless you count Liara)

Also,

Dragon_Claw wrote...

In the future everyone is bi!

Trust me on this one...

Whether your joking or not, I'm glad you brought this subject up. A lot of Gay/Bi people say that in the future everyone will be at least sort of Bi, because people will be more open minded, and Bi will be seen as a normal thing. That's not true,  I'm very open minded and so are many people, we just don't want an emotional relationship with the Same sex that's all.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 01 août 2012 - 09:58 .

[incinerator950]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Whether your joking or not, I'm glad you brought this subject up. A lot of Gay/Bi people say that in the future everyone will be at least sort of Bi, because people will be more open minded, and Bi will be seen as a normal thing. That's not true,  I'm very open minded and so are many people, we just don't want an emotional relationship with the Same sex that's all.

I generally associate that everyone will be more open and neutral about it.  I doubt more people are going to be specifically bi though.  

[Aggie Punbot]

Ahh, OP, I wish you could have seen how happy most people were when it was announced that there would indeed be same sex romances available in ME3. The 'Achievement Unlocked' title change on the Fight For the Love thread was a wonder to behold.