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[Escocido]

I just feel annoyed that I can't bone Traynor. She is great.

Otherwise I had no problem with STEEEEEEEEEEEEEVE being gay. I just don't like him because of the whole "I miss my husband so much waah waaah wwwwait, did you just speak to me nicely? WE'LL BANG, OKAY?"

Modifié par Escocido, 01 août 2012 - 02:28 .

[MoonsKisu]

iakus wrote...

I thought it was cool that not only were s/s options put in, but s/s exclusive options.

Though I am also one of those annoyed at the Kaidan rewrite.

This. 

[loungeshep]

The Angry One wrote...

There's one issue I have with STEEEVE and it has nothing to do with being gay.

He loses his husband, has a really hard time getting over it, then can get into a relationship with ManShep and promptly loses him too.
Some people are just cursed, man.

The lesson there is don't date STeve Cortez or you will die. He's just that cursed.


But yeah, never had a problem with it.

[Zamnil Blackaxe]

Couldn't care less about the s/s romance.

Would honestly like to see less focus on hackneyed romance subplots/corny dating sim gameplay in any future bioware title. They really aren't as well written or thought out as so many claim.

[Kidd]

I believe the only consistent complaint against Cortez and Traynor is how shoe-horned the relationships feel. Neither of these characters have love making scenes. Neither of them have a lot of romance dialogue and lacks the variations on friendship talks the other LIs have. Cortez is low on love talks and Traynor is low on all talks. And, obviously, neither can join your squad.

Or perhaps that's what I think is the common opinion since that's my opinion. It can be hard to tell =) Personally I much prefer the DA2 form since every one were treated equally.

[Those Protheans]

Honestly I think M/M is taking up too much space that could have been used for F/F or M/F or F/M.
But this is a new Bioware and they're doing new things and I'm not liking where they're going.

Modifié par Those Protheans, 01 août 2012 - 03:23 .

[Blacklash93]

incinerator950 wrote...

Liara is a completely different species, who reproduce with just about anything sapient.  Its why Asexual is almost correct, because they can mate with anything male, female, their own race.  I'm honestly surprised they can't mate with themselves. 

Kelly was and wasn't available.  You couldn't do anything outside of a private dance, and her dialogue was almost copypasta for both genders.  Now in ME3, I think she may have been moved to Hetero only, but no one actually talks about her, and I'm not about to make a female character to find out for people about one of things I think is redundant.

Asari are humans with blue skin and tentacle heads. Otherwise they embody everything about human femininity and if you are attracted to that you are attracted to the perception of a female. And Asari are female, per the codex. Gender is different to them than us, but nearly everything about them to the human eye falls in line with female biology and traits. Shepard can take offense at what she sees as another woman coming on to her in ME1, telling that she does view Liara as female. It doesn't matter how the Asari view themselves when debating what implication they have for human sexuality, it's the human perspective.

And the point with Kelly is moot because the fact of the matter is that FemShep could show attraction and act on another female. Whether or not it is an actual romance is irrelevant. Cuddling and an erotic dance with another woman is not heterosexual.

And yes I agree that these debates are tiring. I'm tired with people grasping at straws for excuses about how Liara and Kelly didn't count as having any implications of the sexuality of FemShep against common sense saying they do. FemShep could be a lesbian.

Except the Grey in ME has never lead to better writing. It led to more convoluted story archs and a middle sequel that didn't bridge the intro and end together until a DLC appeared. The character writing was almost pathetic in DA2, with the game being rushed and every character magically bi. Its almost more insulting than forced drama, or Drew's over-cliche story archs with Good Protaganists and Evil villains. Hell, looking back, Sovereign is a bit of a dissapointment. The Character writing in BG2 blows DAO and DA2 out of the water, and I haven't even touched the game. I loved Veronica in FONV despite her being a naive Idealist and a Lesbian.

DA2's characters were a strong point. Everything about the game was rushed, but the characters still managed to be entertaining. I'd prefer they weren't all bi, but I don't believe in the least that it hurt them as characters. Outside romances their sexuality was a non-issue and it lent better focus to other aspects of them. Did I care about Fenris' sexuality when he was running away from a corrupt mage and was asking Hawke about what he thought a home was, which is what his entire storyline consisted of? No.

And just because the writing talent at Bioware right now hasn't been exactly great doesn't mean they shouldn't attempt to try more ambiguous characters and stories.

Tali and Garrus repeatedly showing up was a Fan Service. Traynor and Cortez being Same sex, almost hamstrung out of it, was a fan service to a vocal minority.

And there was something wrong with Tali and Garrus showing up with prominent roles? It was well-recieved so how could that possibly be a mistake? I enjoyed seeing recurring characters on my team throughtout the trilogy and at the point of ME3 have been with me since the beginning joining me for the final stretch. It was good fan service.

As for Steve and Samantha while their conception was to be the S/S romances, that was not the only thing about them. They had friendship paths available for everyone and their personalities were as fleshed out as any other misc., but interactable crew of the Normandy. Steve is the only one who had his sexuality come up often from mourningthat could come off as forced, but I know if Robert was Roberta no one would be complaining.

For a game that offered such a wide variety of options, it had such limited control. Sadly, and I'm going to be alone in this topic, the game would have been better without so many trivial choices and instead focused on being a relevant, coordinated and connected plot with the default, male Sheploo and fewer Romances. Focusing on improving the actual point of the character and the Story Arch while maintaining some semblence of good combat, with a successful mid game and a thought out ending.

Believe it or not, the options to customize your PC are a huge draw to the RPG genre. If I had to pick between a "trivial" female option and a little more choice in the story, I'd pick the female option because I know a large portion of the fanbase enjoys it and some couldn't do without it. That's what Bioware does and will always do and if someone prefers RPGs like The Witcher 2 they can go play those.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 août 2012 - 04:42 .

[krukow]

Modifié par krukow, 01 août 2012 - 04:06 .

[frostajulie]

I had only 1 reaction to SS romnces in ME3

Why no Jack?

I love her sooo much
and I was really hoping for more development of established characters.

I didn't mind that Kaidan was bi but was disappointed that Ash was not.

[Confused-Shepard]

Same Sex romances are so damn gay! Do they have to be so gay?

[The Twilight God]

loungeshep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

There's one issue I have with STEEEVE and it has nothing to do with being gay.

He loses his husband, has a really hard time getting over it, then can get into a relationship with ManShep and promptly loses him too.
Some people are just cursed, man.

The lesson there is don't date STeve Cortez or you will die. He's just that cursed.


But yeah, never had a problem with it.

Same goes for Ash/Kaidan.

The bang, Sheps dies, he comes back, they bang, shep dies.

[domm]

I wonder...if Steve had said "I lost my wife on..." and then you find out later that his wife is a man, does that impact how you feel about him?
Personally, I never had any problem with it, but homophobia runs deep.

[AlexMBrennan]

does that impact how you feel about him?

Yeah... because words have meaning, and you cannot generally arbitrarily interchange them. For example, "wife" means [OED] "a married woman" (Wikipedia has "A wife is a female lifetime partner in a continuing marital relationship.").

Generally, lying makes you respect people less

[Ninja Stan]

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